The Lass Word: Packers Should Take the Deal

Little to gain from this game of chicken with Jets.

There are some good reasons for the Green Bay Packers to play the waiting game in their negotiations with the New York Jets to trade Aaron Rodgers.  Let the fan pressure ratchet up on the Jets front office, allow time for the possibility of another team getting involved in the bidding, make the Jets feel the urgency to get Rodgers started on the playbook and offseason workouts.   

There’s no reason to be in a hurry, right?  Rodgers actually counts less against the cap if he’s on the Packers roster this year, as opposed to if he is traded.  Why not hold out for at least a first round pick?  Even an aging Joe Montana was worth a first rounder to the Kansas City Chiefs when they traded for him in 1993. 

Yet I can’t help thinking that the Packers digging in their heels here is a waste of time, and not without risk.  The Jets are not going to cave.  I don’t know what they are actually offering for Rodgers at this point, but I have always found it hard to believe they would give up a first round pick for a one year rental on a soon-to-be 40 year old quarterback who is coming off one of the worst seasons of his career.  A guy who will cost them around $60 million.  Frankly, I don’t blame them for low balling.  Especially considering they are the only bidder, and Rodgers has publicly stated he will not return to Green Bay. 

If the Jets were willing to up their offer, they would have done it by now.  The sense of urgency in the Big Apple has never been more intense.  If another team was going to get involved in the bidding, that too would have happened by now.  According to Rodgers, the Las Vegas Raiders wanted to talk to him, but the Packers wouldn’t give permission.  Why on earth Green Bay would do that is beyond me.  There has to be more to that story. 

Meanwhile the Packers run the risk of the Jets giving up on Rodgers and redirecting their attention to alternatives, such as Lamar Jackson or Ryan Tannehill.  Would Jets fans raise hell if the Rodgers deal falls through?  Sure, but they’ll get over it.  Especially if New York manages to land someone like Jackson.   

Should that happen, the Packers are stuck with Rodgers, who would likely retire, handing his team a $40 million dead money cap hit, while the team gets absolutely nothing in return.  And there would be another hammer to the cap next year.  Rodgers could agree to restructure his deal to enable the Packers to spread the remaining hits over the next several years, but he has no motivation to do that, unless he just wants to create goodwill amongst Packer Nation.  Don't hold your breath. 

So I say take the low ball offer.  Get whatever cap money you can off the books.  Take your dead money hit this year and get it over with.  The Jets will redo Rodgers’ contract, which according to my understanding, will take Green Bay off the hook in 2024.  Start the Jordan Love era clean and fresh without the distraction of Rodgers’ retirement shadow. 

Can’t you just see it?  The minute Love stumbles a bit and the team gets off to a less than glorious start, the media, and probably a disturbing number of Packer fans, will begin the drumbeat to bring Rodgers out of retirement and back to the team.  Players in the locker room will be pressed to take sides.  Rodgers will hint that he may be interested.  Talk about a distraction.  Talk about a mess. 

Trade Rodgers and the possibility of all that goes away.  Who cares if we don’t get a first rounder in return?  There are plenty of good prospects in this draft that will be available in the second and third rounds.  There’s worse things than having extra picks on day two instead of day one.  Like having no extra picks, and a disgruntled superstar second guessing your team’s every move from his retirement armchair. 

I actually thought Rodgers was unexpectedly gracious in his remarks on the McAfee show, all things considered.  Repeatedly professing his love for Green Bay and its fans, it’s obvious he wants his relationship with Titletown to end on a respectful and positive note.  He wants to come back here in a few years as a beloved hero, standing on the fifty yard line as his name is unfurled on the Lambeau Field wall, to the thunderous cheers of adoring fans.  He wants no part of the acrimony Brett Favre went through after his departure.  Why invite an adversarial relationship by dragging this out and possibly forcing him to retire? 

You might reply that the Packers need to do what’s best for the Packers, not Aaron Rodgers.  Exactly my point.  What’s best for the Packers is to get past this whole scenario as quickly as possible and focus on building back into playoff contention.  Don’t obsess on getting a first round pick that may not even produce a quality player.  Move on.  Get whatever you can get. 

Take the deal. 

 

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 06:07 am

Dammit! Stop characterizing it as a 1 year rental!

Wtf?

Why are you doing that? Are you seriously thinking AR will only play one more year? Ken? Give me a break.

You’re willfully walking into the Jets media blitz buzzsaw supporting their lowball offering.

What would Aaron Rodgers say he’s worth?

Rodgers has immense trade value. His resume couldn’t be touched by Stafford. Yet, the Packers are just supposed to give him away?

Because we’re tired? Fatigued? Because NYJ would be taking on his giant contract? They’re doing us a favor?

BS. The Rams took on $43M in Stafford and ate Goff’s $20+M cap hit. - and - gave up two R1s+++

You think it’s a good idea for the Packers to be taken to the cleaners in one of the most epic fails in NFL trade history?

Wow.

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Lootstone's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:21 am

Thank you for being the first comment here lol. Lass is just one of those 50% done with Rodgers groups.

Call SF Packers and get Trey Lance. So many reasons why this trade could be done for two first and we get another QB who has rapport with Watson. Offense is all over the place. Hopefully Bahk appreciates his job enough to care to perform this year, geezsh.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:07 am

That's really funny, Loot! Pure luck for promoting CHTV's Point/Counterpoint Show!

You've got one helluva great point there with reuniting Watson and Lance. Dayummm, son!!! Well done!!!!

That could actually work out nicely for the Packers.

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Lootstone's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:03 pm

I find it hilarious that people down vote this. I've posted this so many time before and no one who dislikes the idea can give a reason why. Makes me think it's jet fans lol.

The positives:

Aaron gets to ride out into the sunset for however long he chooses and be a mentor to another great "f'n kid."

Watson Lance duo (Lance is more elusive than Love - period) This stretches defenses as we saw in the superbowl, for example. Lance is a 3rd pick on sale due to unforseen circumstances last year, just like Rodgers.

SF wanted Aaron before and AR probably wouldn't mind SF. I don't think AR is that loyal to Nathaniel or Allen personally, you just need the most ideal person in SF to talk with Aaron.

You could get two first rounds because they don't have a 1st in 2023, and sell it like they are going to win the superbowl every year AR plays so we deserve a 1st round for each consecutive draft he plays.

You run both QBs like they are competing for a job and you'll have trade value on the other. It's a tough business so just be honest with them. "You do your job well and we will take care of you because it's a win win. You get a franchise with the Packers or your pick of team in a trade because you both will be great."

You'd have to contact SF before the draft because I have a feeling they are going to want to trade Lance during the draft, hence the Sam Darnold acquirement (unless they think they are going to need 3 quarterbacks in back to back seasons lol).

This is a no brainer. Then in 2024 you shoot for a superbowl. If we make playoffs in 2023 it will be a pleasant surprise anyway.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:22 am

If you're going to disappoint a portion of the fanbase by trading an icon, you pretty much HAVE to get a fair return. You don't settle.

Mark Murphy is part of the NFL management team that regular knuckles the NFLPA, going so far as to lock them out of their jobs. He is not unaccustomed to negotiating. The Packers own the asset. The Jets want the asset. The Jets have to pay fair market for a MVP.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:40 am

Bitternotsour, I love me my bitters!!!

Well said. And, if the Jets don't pony up? We can trade AR to another team, and watch all the Jets' recent Aaron Rodgers infrastructural maneuverings go for naught.

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Barnacle's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:48 am

The picks might be more valuable if we had a GM that was more astute in the draft room BUT, my main concern is the salary cap problems if Gute screws up the trade.

Why in hell did Gute reject the the Raiders from talking to Rodgers? Two customers bidding would seem better than only one.

Our management team seem to do bad move after bad move.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:53 am

As Coldworld said, we don’t know any parameters.

Ken deserves a dozen cookies for the CHTV engagement tho.

Lolz.

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Packers2020's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:34 am

You are forgetting.

This is not Gute running the show, it's Murphy.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:17 am

After all this time, some still believe Gutey is a GM. He has the title, he does not have the power.

ANYTHING Gutey does outside of acquiring personnel (and even that authority can be, and has likely been challenged by MLF and Ball with Murphy overruling his Assist. GM Gutey) is a committee decision with Murphy micro managing and deciding every consequential decision.

You think the Rodgers' trade to the Jets, after the stupid K enhancement last year agreed to by Murphy would suddenly have the President/Acting GM sitting on the sidelines now? LOL.

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Tundraboy's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:47 am

Exactly! I love how he even reuses digging in our heels. Where did that come from? Oh yeah, Rodgers the first minute he spoke after whatever it was 2 months. If you call wanting a reasonable fair value based on the Stafford trades and others, I wouldn't call it. Digging in our heels

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:15 am

Exact-o-mundo!!!

We are, yet again, being played by Aaron Rodgers. The Green Bay Packers, whom he wants to honor him...

Seriously, I'd fight to keep from decking the guy.

Funniest thing is I had my chance last summer (walking in Milwaukee's Third Ward to get tacos late afternoon before TC opened), I looked up, and he was running right towards me. I'm thinking, "Is that really Aaron Rodgers?" Yes, was the answer in my head as I watched him blow by me at an impressive clip, wearing all black...

I almost chased after him. Not.

LOL True story.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:52 am

GG, I like the way you talk.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:16 am

Right back 'atcha, Ferarri!!!

I had a client start laughing about a year ago when she came into my painting studio - our first face-to-face meeting for a new commissioned work. She said, "You sound exactly the same as your texts!" We both busted up at that one. She's a gem, too.

It's a weird mix of professionalism + smoking bowls outside the bar with the boys.

Zoom-ba!!!

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TheVOR's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:59 am

Thanks for bringing TheVoiceOfReason to the table. The longer Green Bay waits benefits the Packers. In fact, if they’re not gonna pony up a number one or that 13th overall pick then I’d say screw them! Wait until after June 1 and if we don’t trade Rodgers he sits or retires. The best scenario for the Packers is a trade happens after June 1.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:09 am

Great, great point VOR!

Never really thought about the tables turning on Rodgers himself in this... Rodgers is going to want this deal to close, most likely prior to the draft.

Rodgers might want to start changing his tune if he wants to join Hackett & Lazard in NY.

The Packers hold all of the cards. They can trade him to another team for whatever anytime before Week 1 in September.

Either we own the Jets' top draft picks before this draft or after, or not, and take what we can get from another team - and the Packers apparently have yet to open those doors wide open to this point.

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Im Fubared's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:05 am

I happen to agree with author and other analyst who suggest its the jets who have leverage. First, they want but do not need Rodgers. Second they have zero guarantee he will play more then one yesr. Third, that 13 pick could he a future pro bowl for many years. Fourth they have Wilson in hand and can add some other back ip and just yough it out tor a top pick next year. Fifth no one else is interested in him and that kills his value. Last, the Jets know Rodgers will retire rather then return, so the pack could end up holding an empty bag of nothing. That is the risk they are tking now.

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4thand10's picture

March 20, 2023 at 02:38 pm

Amen greengold.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

March 20, 2023 at 05:59 pm

Rodgers is being grossly undervalued by the 31 billionaire NFL owners' Sports illustrated/ESPN/NFL Network/NBC Pro Football Talk/CBS/etc. wage slave/talking heads who are given their script by the collective revenue maximizing 31 Billionaire owners who share television revenues equally along with the Packers and maximizing revenue requires:

A) New York, the largest television viewing market in the world, to have maximum clicks and viewership

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B) parity league wide

thus Rodgers to the Jets - and its New York television market - is a Billionaire Owner Revenue/Profit maximizing move and their scripted wage slave/talking heads are out there working to make this trade as cheap as possible to get the Jets winning again and Jets & New York television viewership of the Jets up again.

If you cancel the Seattle 4th round pick against the Denver 5th round pick, Russell Wilson was traded for 6 players - the 9th (2022), 5th (2023), 40th (2022), 37th (2023) picks in the NFL Draft - all unconditional draft picks - and a young solid starting tight end (Noah Fant, the 20th pick in the 2019 draft) and a starting defensive end (Shelby Harris) - 6 players who will be Seattle starters and 2 of which (5th and 9th pick) will probably be all pros - for Russell Wilson.

And the 31 billionaire NFL owners' Sports illustrated wage slave/talking heads said the Jets would give us what?

43rd overall pick this year and a conditional pick in 2024? Nuts. A 13th pick in the first round is also nuts - try a first and second in 2023 and first and second in 2024 and a couple starters.

Over Rodgers 15 years as a starter Green Bay has been in 5 NFC Championship games, more than any other NFC team, all of whom have had multiple quarterbacks, and in 21 playoff games, more than any other NFC team and their multiple quarterbacks. Green Bay fans 40 years older or younger don't remember the 1968 through 1991 when the Packers were in the playoffs just 2 times in 23 years - 1972 and strike shortened 1982.

Aaron last year played with broken thumb from the Giants game onwards and a rotating offensive line and rotating and injured new wide receivers had 41 drops - including 5 drops in the pivotal last playoff determining Lion game - relative to 15 drops in 2021 when Davante Adams led the team in drops with only 3 in 169 targets! Add 26 completions (41 minus 15) and Rodgers - even with the broken thumb and rotating offensive line - is at the top of the QB stats and the Packers are in the playoffs.

Look at the Wilson and Stafford trades and think Tom Brady playing at top level thru age 45.because that is exactly what Aaron Rodgers will do.

The Packers trading Rodgers at all is terrible for the Packers from both a 1) human perspective and 2) pure winning football perspective, but if the Packers management makes this horrible mistake they should get as much as Seattle and Detroit received for Wilson and Stafford and MORE.

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barutanseijin's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:02 pm

Rodgers resume is all in the past. His latest season was mediocre and a sharp drop off from his previous. That steep drop is what you see in quarterbacks at the end of their careers.

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Glennystats's picture

March 21, 2023 at 05:03 pm

Your comment comparing Rodgers' resume with Stafford's is true. But trade value is based on anticipated future performance, not the past. Rodgers' future performance seems pretty iffy.

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Coldworld's picture

March 20, 2023 at 06:21 am

We don’t know what the deal is, so it’s hard to know whether we should take it.

I find it very odd that we would have given the Jets permission to even talk without some agreed parameters. My suspicion is that they did but that the Jets are wriggling on them in response to Rodgers’ equivocating about the length of his commitment or as a result of additional wants that they believe change the equation.

A first rounder plus more for a one year commitment is pretty steep. Based on Rodgers of late, I find it hard to believe he would commit to more in any meaningful sense. If I were Ball, I would know that and know it’s just how Rodgers is and thus, if he’s any good this year I’d expect him to be back and not willing give that away. However, I’d see it very differently were I a Jet. Hence the difference potentially.

In reality, we need the deal for more than just picks. If we blow it, we will be the villains in NY, giving Johnson an out. We, on the other hand, will have the dilemma of an unretired Rodgers who seems likely to blame us for being unreasonable and having to probably cut him and eat the extra cap. His currently generous tone was part of essentially a plea to the Packers to be generous based in his service yo the franchise. Rodgers is smart enough to know that such requests have a better chance drenched in honey than vinegar. That tone could change very fast and dramatically if this falls apart.

His contract makes him unlikely to be tradeable later due to teams’ already committed cap and believing he’s either done or that we are going to be forced to cut him to avoid triggering the bigger hit if he’s rostered. That extension is a terrible millstone. If a team did try to acquire him due to injury, that team is unlikely to offer compensation commensurate with what we are now expecting. Let’s see who wins, but hope we are very clear eyed about this.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:19 am

If AR leads NYJ into the playoffs alone, it will be their first time in what? 20 years? A deep playoff run, and his return in 2024 for the Jets will be another media cliffhanger (his known MO), just like 2022 with the Packers, for another monster bag, and he’ll return for the Super Bowl quest, again.

If NYJ wins the Super Bowl this season, he’ll return for a repeat.

Rodgers refuses to commit because he gets to keep everyone guessing. Again.

In the meantime, he hurts the Packers return in trade promoting his beautiful mystery.

No? He’s screwing the Packers , again, by refusing to comment on anything past this 2023 season, to keep everyone guessing.

“All eyes on me!!!”

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Coldworld's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:37 am

The only Jets fan I talk to was hung up on the fact that a year after his extension Rodgers was saying he was leaning 90 percent towards retirement. That seems to have troubled some there. I pointed out that, just like Favre, that’s been a consistent but unconsummated threat.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:49 am

Oh, yeah. All eyes on him is AR’s MO.

We know this only too well. The Packers continue to be played for Aaron Rodgers’ benefit.

I’d rather make him ride pine, but that’s even more injurious.

Thanks, Murphy McIdiotpants.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:34 am

Huh, I would think Woody and the Jets knew this before they flew out to meet with Rodgers. And either they had assurances about his commitment to play before they met or certainly discussed this at length when they did meet.

I would think Hackett had in depth discussions with Rodgers before they met too. If not...wow.

If the Jets are just concerned now, at the 11th hour, about Rodgers' commitment, they are not very good at due diligence and are probably lousy negotiators.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 11:06 am

Great points, LambeauPlain!

You know Rodgers has likely been in regular communication with Hackett and thus, NYJ brass in advising message sending.

You’re also right that the Jets are not considered the brightest minds in NFL deal making, going back decades.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:06 am

They lost the AFCCG the year we won the Super Bowl, to the Stealers... 2010. (It was a down year in the NFL.)

Point being, they haven't won a Super Bowl since '69...

Idk why people just can't let Gutey do his job. As soon as he gives up and takes a 4th rounder for AR, GB fans will explode.

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mnbadger's picture

March 20, 2023 at 12:44 pm

this fan will explode with JOY, just for the record.
The gamble in not accepting a realistic offer, (including a couple of draft picks in rounds 2, 3 and/or 4, and a player or two at positions of need, is too great.
We (mrk mrfe, rball, bgute, mlf) can't keep him around any longer. We have to admit the mistake of the last extension, swallow our pride and move on.
Every franchise's leadership group makes mistakes.
the extension is one of the worst since the chargers picked ryan leaf and our beloved pkrs took tony mandarich.
We can't afford to compound the extension mistake. Cut our losses and move forward, towards our inevitably next Lombardi trophy.
Hopefully sooner than later.
GPG!

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Hematite's picture

March 20, 2023 at 02:44 pm

I like the way you think mnbadger, I'm right there with you!
No matter how this mess works out it's time to turn the page.

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barutanseijin's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:05 pm

2022 Rodgers couldn’t manage a playoff appearance. 40 year old Rodgers will not appear in a Super Bowl, much less win one.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 20, 2023 at 01:54 pm

Thanks CW! You seem to have a good handle on this.

I do think AR playing the game of I was 90% retired, and now I will play in 2023, but not sure if I will play in 2024 is really mucking it all up for the Packers negotiations. I have no doubt this has been very carefully thought out.

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NickPerry's picture

March 20, 2023 at 06:39 am

Wow Ken, I don't know. I keep hearing a 3rd round pick is what the Packers should get in return. Are you F'ing kidding me? Forget for a moment the Packers couldn't hit a the broadside of a barn from 3 feet away in the 3rd round. We're talking about a 4-time MVP QB who won in back to back just a second ago. I think the decline by Rodgers last year had MORE to do with the thumb and LACK of involvement getting to know a bunch of rookie pass catchers more than anything. YES, he's soon to be 40. But he's also Aaron Rodgers WITH a chip, a BIG CHIP, and we all know how Rodgers loves those chips.

How about a pick swap with the Jets? The Packers take 13, the Jets take 15, AND the Packers get 43 (2nd rounder) THIS year and a conditional pick next year. They get a 3rd in 2024 regardless what Rodgers does. That jumps to a 2nd if the Jets make the SB, and a 1st if the Jets win the SB...Or SOMETHING like that.

If we're talking about JUST a third rounder and that's it, I'd bring him back and sit his ass on the bench if that's what he wants to do. If not then just retire. But just a 3rd round pick for one of the greatest to ever play the position? Oh HELL NO!!

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Coldworld's picture

March 20, 2023 at 06:52 am

Suppose they offered a 3rd now and a conditional 3rd to 2nd pick next year based upon how they perform this season rising by a round if he is on their roster or traded at the start of the 2024 league year? Would you talk seriously then?

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:03 am

nope

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Coldworld's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:19 am

Interesting. Let’s see what they get. I think you may be disappointed. I’d certainly be talking seriously at this point if that were on the table, but not yet agreeing.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:28 am

Maybe. But if I'm running the show, that is what I'm doing.

I don't get the premise that we need to just trade him away and get bare minimum. Hell no, we don't have to trade him. He can sit the bench or retire. Both of those options are cheaper for us.

Like I said though, I'm willing to negotiate, but understand that if they are not willing to pay close to what we want, they can go back to the QB they have. Have fun, going back to Wilson and being like "hey you are our guy, just ignore us taking a shot at Rodgers".

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Coldworld's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:41 am

You and I aren’t. I think you undervalue the excuse Rodgers has given them by saying it’s the Packers being greedy. Johnson has an out, a year of Wilson and better cap himself and the promise to be aggressive next year.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:50 am

We aren't. Which is probably a good thing. But why would they just give up him for a 3rd round pick and try to be happy with that. The Jets clearly want him badly. Well, the prove it. How badly do you want him.

I think most people are believing Rodgers went into the dark retreat thinking he was 90% sure he was retiring. And then came out knowing he wanted to be a Jet. That imo was his way to use the threat of retiring to get the deal done.

If the Jets want to go back to Wilson, go ahead. Have fun doing that when your players have been clamoring for Rodgers, the fans have been. The media has been. Good luck taking a pass on Rodgers and going back to Wilson.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:51 am

B I N G O !

If the Packers wanted a 3rd Round pick so bad, all they'd have to do is swap #15 for #13 - but not use said R3 to actually take a player because they suck so badly in R3 (the result of some voodoo hex a random New Orleans Saints fan Priestess needled into a Gutekunst doll). The value of that move is a low R3.

Perfect...

"Take the deal," Ken says.

LOL wow.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:55 am

Exactly. If they wanted a 3rd round pick, and maybe a conditional pick next year, we would have had a deal already. Packers clearly want more and I agree with them.

I just don't get the people that are willingly just giving away Rodgers. Rodgers is still one of the top QB's in the league. Clearly the Jets think so. They clearly think he is the missing piece to go for a championship. If they didn't believe that they would have just signed Carr, or Girappalo.

I'm not taking the deal. Give me what I want, or don't.

If someone is selling their car, and is asking 10,000 for it. Someone comes in and offers 5000 for it, are you taking it? Hell no. You maybe don't want the car anymore and have a new one that you really want to drive, but doesn't mean you have to undersell it just to get rid of it. If that person wants that car bad enough their price will come up to what you want.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:12 am

Agree, RC.

For whatever reason, GB has yet to open up to trade talks with anyone and everyone, AFC & NFC. Once that happens, the Packers must feel comfortable a team will meet their asking price.

Is the Jets being the sole suitor a courtesy by the Packers given to AR & the Jets? Could be. They might want to take that into consideration as well, because it can go away.

That's great that Woody Johnson wants plug & play players and all, but, that comes at a price.

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barutanseijin's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:09 pm

The only people who consider Rodgers a top qb in 2023 are homer Packer fans and Woody Johnson.

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Pasmith13's picture

March 20, 2023 at 06:13 pm

I lived in NYC area for almost 25 years. What Rodgers said will have no influence on how pissed the fans will be. The press has already promised a done deal.

With Rodgers this team can make the playoffs. Without him the are doomed to mediocrity until they find a real QB. Any approaching the skills of ARod, would cost a lot more than just 1 #1.

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Pasmith13's picture

March 20, 2023 at 06:13 pm

I lived in NYC area for almost 25 years. What Rodgers said will have no influence on how pissed the fans will be. The press has already promised a done deal.

With Rodgers this team can make the playoffs. Without him the are doomed to mediocrity until they find a real QB. Any approaching the skills of ARod, would cost a lot more than just 1 #1.

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Pasmith13's picture

March 20, 2023 at 06:13 pm

I lived in NYC area for almost 25 years. What Rodgers said will have no influence on how pissed the fans will be. The press has already promised a done deal.

With Rodgers this team can make the playoffs. Without him the are doomed to mediocrity until they find a real QB. Any approaching the skills of ARod, would cost a lot more than just 1 #1.

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bottlefliper's picture

March 20, 2023 at 06:58 am

This chip on his shoulder is such a BS. When was the last time he played with this "chip"? as he lost all the playoff games?
What a fairy tail. We should have a chip on his shoulder, since 2012 and everyone said Brady is the GOAT and AR can not win when it counts and no the SBs not with the way better teams he had.
Maybe he had a chip after the draft and maybe aftermost of the fanbase wanted 4 back. But after that the only chip was that some said he is to smal and he fraked out about it, like the diva he became back than. At that point we knew and that was 2012...

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:06 am

" as he lost all the playoff games?"

Its amazing that he played solo in those games. My memory is so bad that I forgot that the Packers didn't suit up the other 52 players on the roster. Its amazing that he alone was able to score 26 points, and hold the Bucs to 31 points. It is equally impressive that he was able to hold the 49ers to 13 points. But it is a shame that him by himself only could score 10 points in that loss.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:22 am

You forget NFCCG 2015 (2014 season). In that game Packers D gave to ACR led offense 7 TO! For just 13 points and 1 INT in the end zone. Instead to lead Packers to 21 - 24 to 0 at half time ACR produced just 13 points from the 5 starts in the red zone (that is equal less than 5 FG). 16 to 0 in the half time did not kill Seahawks hopes for come back, while 24 to 0 would. The responsibility on that loss is as equal as ST blonders on the side kick. Nothing else.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:33 am

That game was the most painful of recent losses.

But don't forget that Rodgers was playing on one leg. Going against the best defense in the league that year, at one of the hardest places to play at the time. While they should have won the game, it wasn't all because of one thing. And it wasn't because of one person.

The first interception he was trying to hit Adams. I don't think he makes that throw without thinking that the DE was offsides. He saw he jumped and was offsides, but wasn't called.

They blew that game so many ways. Really frustrating!

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Untylu1968's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:10 am

The chip on his shoulder was satisfied with his MVPs. He's not a superbowl contender..

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 20, 2023 at 06:59 am

Hey! That was the solution I posted a couple days ago! 😃

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DanL's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:34 am

Liked it then and still do.

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KKB's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:00 am

Good plan. Throw in a WR and let's roll.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 20, 2023 at 02:00 pm

Throw in Elijah Moore!

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Renllaw's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:06 am

I love that trade comp NP. swapping 1sts and getting the 2nd this year is comparable to a 2nd and a 4th on the points system. Throw in a conditional for 2024 and I would take that deal all day every day. Folks comparing this to Rams success on the Stafford deal, are ignoring the failed Wilson deal. There is risk for the Jets and the Packers made their intentions clear. Get a fair deal with conditional 2024 comp and both sides look good.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:25 am

"How about a pick swap with the Jets? The Packers take 13, the Jets take 15, AND the Packers get 43 (2nd rounder) THIS year and a conditional pick next year."

I would be ok with doing something like this.

Lets say they do something like this. If I'm Gutey I consider strongly to trading down in the draft for the 13th pick. (depending who is on the board at the time).

For example if they traded down from 13 to about 20, that would net them potentially another 2nd round pick. (depending on the team).

With Love we are most likely not a Super Bowl contender this coming season. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but just saying it because its his first year starting. So our goal should be improving the team for next year and the year after to make a serious run. So we need to get as much higher end talent as possible in this draft. If we could trade down to around 20, and end up with 3- 2nd round picks. I would absolutely love that!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 20, 2023 at 02:06 pm

RCP,
Not bad though still hoping for more! I am greedy I guess! That and because I know just how bad they screwed up last year by not trading him for all those draft picks/players.

What you propose is doable in my mind but I'd like to add a player into the equation like WR, Elijah Moore, or Edge, Jermaine Johnson. Either one of these players would go a long way in addressing a huge need. I'd also prefer an additional conditional pick (3rd, or 2nd) in 2025 should Rodgers play and meet certain criteria. I just believe Rodgers is no where close to being done playing football.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:39 am

Hey Nick.

I cannot fathom our needing to give away our #15 pick. Why would we do that..???!!!

Difference between 13 & 15 is 100 pts. People finding this agreeable: You’re telling the Jets: “give us your R3, or a high R4…”

The only way I would exchange those picks is if NYJ added a 2024 R1 and a 2025 R1.

#15 is worth 1050 pts on the draft trade value chart. #13 is worth 1150 pts.

Low R1 is worth about 600 pts.

Low R1 for 2024 in this 2023 draft trade value scenario is worth even less. The NYJ’s 2025 R1 is worth less than a low R2, maybe even an R3…

But, then, what are we really getting for AR?

GB surrendering our #15 seems ludicrous. I don’t see why that idea is being bandied about, other than the Jets would love it.

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fthisJack's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:52 am

I totally agree. The Jets picks this year will be so much more valuable than next years. Even if Rodgers doesn't come close to an MVP season, with the Jets defense they make the playoffs and could make it to the SB. So GB would be looking at a high 20 something pick from the Jets in the 2024 first round.
I would hold out for a first and second this year and a third in 24. Otherwise, let the Jets flounder with whoever they have at QB. It's sink or swim for them unless they want to package draft capitol to move into the top 5 and get a QB that they think can play right away. That's not a good option for the 2024 season when you could have an MVP QB and give up a 1 and a 2.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 20, 2023 at 02:07 pm

GG,
I want you to reach out to the GBP's front office and ask to be involved in their negotiations because I like who you are thinking. We need a strong advocate! Yup!

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DanL's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:30 am

This trade arrangement is the best fair compromise I have heard so far. Anything less is capitulating.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:38 am

Dan, I think there's going to be a lot of that going on.

My guess is the Jets organization looked to set up a blockbuster trade with the Packers that included Aaron Rodgers & David Bakhtiari, possibly along with one of our OGs that Aaron knows & trusts.

That would have made sense for the Jets in a "going all-in," scenario for 2023 and 2024. Why?

1. Because they are cap stressed, and won't be able to work the kind of FA deals or trades for starter quality OL to protect their AR investment - and their OL needs are real.

2. Because what do they have to give in exchange as trade assets? Nearly all of their own draft picks extending out past 2027, which they can use as compensation to the Packers to help fill out their roster for a legit Super Bowl run.

*Unless they can get the math on dead cap $ tied to trading players to somehow work in their favor.

3. Expending future draft capital to bring former Packers starters into their roster augments the Jets' transition in OC Hackett's system, which they know inside & out.

My guess into what is happening is Woody Johnson got the price tag from the Packers on his list of players he wishes to trade for to "plug & play," and his eyes popped out of his head.

All of that will come at a price, one which has been firmly established in the NFL marketplace.

Wingo got his hot tip and let the world know the Jets & Packers were working on a blockbuster trade. Well, if that is the case, I think it's safe to assume the AR trade includes at least one or two more Packers players.

The Jets probably got sticker shock realizing they will be without the top of their draft for the next 3 years or more, depending upon the ask.

I've always felt this deal would be way bigger, and GB could set themselves up nicely by accepting future draft capital. If NYJ wants to flip #13 for #15, essentially retaining their R1 in an Aaron Rodgers trade for future picks, add another R1 to the deal. How many years out will that extend?

AR + GB's 2023 R1 #15 to Jets for NYJ's 2024 R1, 2025 R1, 2026 R1? Then add Bakhtiari for their R2 2023? What if they want Runyan? Add a 2025 R2 and a 2026 R2?

That's kind of the stretching out of draft capital into the future that I believe the Packers could be working here. I'd be fine with that.

* All of this without even mentioning Zach Wilson, whom they would have to pay us to take. He's - not a trade asset - worth anything more than an R6 right now, if that, and my guess is they are going to want to zip him out of their system, and off their cap.

*** What if we dispense with all the BS and trade Aaron Rodgers for Quinnen Williams straight up? Possibly add a conditional R2 in 2024?

Jet's get to keep their draft capital, minus any OL players the Jets might want to add, and be done with it. That might be the Jets' smartest play. They could then keep their 2023 #13 pick and reset the DT clock there with a top player.

I'd have to say that would be a good trade value for the Packers, and for the Jets alike. Would you do that one?

The compensation might seem a little less to some for GB, but, DT Quinnen Williams would be bringing a prime bit of top play to an already talent laden DL in GB. Williams is the exact kind of player we need there now. He's holding out for about $100M 4 year deal with $60M guaranteed, which would put him atop Aaron Donald's deal. Hmmmm.....

Quinnen Williams (6-3 303 4.83, 112" broad, 30.5 vertical) in 4 seasons with the Jets:
1st Team All-Pro 2022
G 57, GS 53, 191 Tackles, 118 Solo, 33 TFL, 60 QH Hits, 27.5 sacks, 11 PD, 4 FF, 2 FR.

The Jets just signed his brother, LB Quincy Williams to a 3 year $18M deal. The two brothers have been essentially a package deal themselves.

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4thand10's picture

March 20, 2023 at 02:40 pm

Amen NickPerry

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:01 am

O.K. They've Hit the Denial button, post-darkness. Set the Rage and React machine into Anger. Now, we get the "take what THEY give us" Bargaining.
Best get the Suicide Prevention Hotline ready for Phase Four, Depression. We've already Accepted this deal was a Fail from day one.

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Untylu1968's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:16 am

The bar was set too high from the beginning! Hespeaks

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Untylu1968's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:18 am

He speaks of Jets fans being pissed if the deal falls through, I'd be upset as a fan if we sold the farm for a rental, aging deva.

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Coldworld's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:37 am

A lot of the Jets fans are now saying don’t give anything till after the draft and see how that falls. That would mean nothing this year and a 1 in a year is generally seen as the equivalent of a 2 this year, even if the trade does occur. Fan views don’t matter except as a barometer of fan base reaction. I’m not sure that some here aren’t overestimating the excitement in NY.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 12:14 pm

I've got close family there and know the rightful trepidation you speak of that many Jets fans express now.

The problem is twofold:
1. Aaron Rodgers trade is owner driven. Everybody works for Woody Johnson and these are his wishes.

2. Jets fans are listening to all the "1 year rental" talk, themselves.

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Handsback's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:01 am

Ken's article needed to be written, because no matter the compensation...it focuses the fans to realize Rodgers won't be the QB next year.
He'll either be wearing another green color jersey or working to make the Bucks a better bball team.
He is not going to be the Packers QB and the music has already started with the song...Love is in the air!
Just MHO

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:02 am

Patience grasshopper

(chopsticks catch gnat in mid-flight)

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:02 am

Sorry but give me what I want. You don't want to give me what I want, go back and start Wilson. Or go and get Matt Ryan. We don't have to trade him to the Jets.

Sorry but the Jets are all in on Rodgers. And if they want all in on Rodgers, then give us what we want.

I want a first round pick this year. A conditional pick next year. And give me either a player now or another conditional pick in 25, based on Rodgers if he plays next year. This is what I want. If you want to negotiate on that, go ahead. If you don't want to give up a 1st round pick this year, then give me a player (Jermaine Johnson?), a 2nd and 3rd round pick, plus conditional pick next year or in 25.

We don't have to trade Rodgers. Actually its cheaper for us to keep him. So why just get rid of him for a 3rd round pick. If I'm in charge hell no. We get what we want.

The Packers are the car dealership. We have the best car around. If the customer wants it then they have to pay our price. We will do a small negotiation, but they are still paying what we want them to pay. If they don't want it they can go to the used car lot down the road and pick up that Pinto.

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Boneman's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:07 am

I have to agree with several of the posts above, just settling for a small offer is silly. Insisting that he is only going to be a "one year rental at 60 mil" is ignoring logic and common sense. The Jets know he's in for a 'minimum' of 2 years and maybe have assurances for 3 with a reworked deal. The retirement dialogue is smoke and even if there is a chance its not, who cares, that's the Jets problem. The Packers MUST operate under the assumption that he honors at least the two remaining years he is under contract. Gute needs to get a good deal or will start counting his days as Packer GM.

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Packers0808's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:17 am

As far as actual playtime right now it is obvious in the Packers eyes the Jets want and NEED Rodgers more than the Pack does and thus the ransomware talk.!

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BA4Packers's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:18 am

I’d be happy with a second rounder in 2023. A player and/or a conditional pick for next year would help but let’s get this done.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:30 am

What player do you want?

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ReaganRulz's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:22 am

It just seems like the Packers are stuck in the mud with the uncertainty of the trade. That is not good in a year when we will have a brand new QB with even more uncertainty. Other teams are out doing there thing by adding players and meanwhile the Packers are sitting on their hands with hopes of scoring a barrage of picks from the Jets.

And remember Rodgers said that he was about 90% sure about retiring, so if the Jets suck this year, he may retire which would make him one year rental.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:26 am

#13 pick, Jermaine Johnson, and Corey Davis (who they're going to cut anyways) for Rodgers. That would be my offer if I was Gute.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:30 am

I like it.

And if they wanted to negotiate from that. Then 13, One of the 2 players and a conditional pick next year.

I agree that we need any combination of 3 players or picks back in this deal.

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Racingdad's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:16 am

I would settle for 43 plus Johnson and Davis or moore. Plus 24 cond pick. Maybe throw in mims and/ or young te

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MainePackFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 11:02 am

Davis' dead cap hit is less than 700K for the Jets, but we would be on the hook for 10.5M. I don't see that as a possibility unless we want to restructure Davis' contract and add more cap issues to the future.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 20, 2023 at 11:27 am

MPF, they could easily restructure that contract. Davis is a solid player who would fit the Packers perfectly.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 11:51 am

RTS, I would see it as more likely if Davis' contract was guaranteed at 10.5M. The Packers could offer to take that on to help the Jets make room for Rodgers' contract.

I agree, he is a solid player, but one that never lived up to the hype. I think MLF had him in Tenn. so he is familiar with him. I just don't see him as part of this trade. Time will tell.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 12:24 pm

RTS, I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. That would be rock solid. #13, JJ and CD for AR. Done.

I think both EDGE Jermaine Johnson and WR Corey Davis are great, talented players. Adding #13 overall - outright - is essential. The players save the Jets' future picks.

The 13 and those players would go a long way towards the Packers reload.

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stockholder's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:38 am

Deal? It's No Deal.
It's still going to cost the packers to
get another QB.
And what type of back-up will you get
if you go the draft route.
Example- Brohm was a Bust.
Next:
I find the ratcheting of Fans Up.
To get Rodgers to Ny distasteful.
Because thats exactly what has happened
to get Rodgers out of GB.
Great for marketing.
But being hateful and unfair isn't what
I would call honorable, Respectful,
and grateful for all he's accomplished.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 11:27 am

He got his $ for what he accomplished. A lot of $. And he won only one SB. Still paid remarkably. Bit he did not delivered. And now he is out of excuses in GB. Because of that he is going elsewere. To be able to manipulate there.

I do not see Packers were or are not respectful. I see that one who constantly take that respect to speaking is one who did not show respect to organization which gave him "generation" wealth, by his own words.

SH, it is not reply to you. It is correction to bullshit you posted.

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stockholder's picture

March 20, 2023 at 11:42 am

And you only pointed out Money doesn't by Love.
That Love was the answer to kill a Legend.
Because you'd rather Lose, then simply pay him.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 03:22 pm

Yeah. Like he was excellent last years. He won 2 MVP titles on the hands of Davante Adams. Davante was true MVP of 2020 and 2021. If FO just supply the team with competent QB, Davante would have 2 rings!

Now, lets see what you'll say on this stupidity. Because it is the same just another name in place of your beloved ACR.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 21, 2023 at 02:05 am

I see you do not have answer(s) to question(s) others and me asked you for. Just trolling on this page.

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PackfanNY's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:39 am

Sorry but you would make a terrible Negotiator. Sitting here in N.Y. the average Jets fan is frothing at the mouth at getting Rodgers. Talking about deep runs in the playoffs and trips to the Super Bowl. Of course then you get “he should cost no more than a third”. Huh!? If I think I could get a trip to the SB I’d pay a lot more than a 3rd. They also accuse Gute of not negotiating in good faith. That is bunk. There is NEVER a deal until there is a deal. Gute needs to maximize his assets for the future of the Green Bay Packers. If he caves on this he should be fired.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:42 am

I just hope Murphy is letting Gutey work. Probably misplaced.

Murphy has shown me he may be likely to do a "Ken Lass" and just get what you can. He seems very impetuous and emotional. He comments to a local reporter at a girls BB game admitted he is done with Rodgers just one year removed from shoving all his chips to the center of the poker table with a pair of 10's.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 20, 2023 at 12:03 pm

With Murphy in charge he could go "NHL" - trading draft picks for a bad contact - ending with Rodgers + GBs 1st and 2nd to the Jets.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

March 20, 2023 at 04:25 pm

"They also accuse Gute of not negotiating in good faith. "

Funny how the initial rumors, before the Jets even were granted permission to talk to Rodgers, was that Gute wanted 2 first round picks. And now it's like the Jets should only give the Packers a 3rd round pick and Gute is negotiating in bad faith? The Jets were told exactly what Gute wanted before they were given permission to talk to Rodgers, now they want to ignore they ever heard that.... Were Douglas and Johnson running around Jets headquarters with fingers in their ears yelling "lah, lah, lah, lah, I can't hear you"?

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T7Steve's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:07 am

I think the deal is done. Didn't Schefter say the Packers were served best by a post June 1st trade?

I think it serves both teams to keep quiet about it for other trade and draft purposes. If not, maybe it was the deal that the Packers made, in order to allow the Jets to talk with Rodgers.

Can't begin to guess what the value is, but I'm sure it's done.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:13 am

I have seen various reports that the deal is done or close to done. Just have some final things to go through, whatever that means. Maybe its about the $?

At this point for us fans, all we can do is sit and wait.

In the mean time, the team is moving forward with Love. So its moving to the future with a new QB.

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Guam's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:26 am

The problem with a post June 1 deal is no draft choices this year and getting Jet draft choices next year after they have likely done well in 2023. The value of their draft choices will be significantly diluted.

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T7Steve's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:13 am

Don't you think the cap issues hinder us more than the draft could possibly help? With assured cap relief draft day trades and FAs are more easily attained.

Also, as a side note, do you think they didn't let Rodgers talk to the Raiders because we play them this year? It would be too painful to play against him and Adams so soon?

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Guam's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:51 am

The is no question that cap relief is a significant part of this transaction, but that doesn't mean the Packers should not get reasonable compensation for a HOF QB. Given the Stafford, Watson and Wilson deals, why would the Packers settle for another Favre deal?

I answered this question below, but will repeat it here. I can not conceive of any reason why Gute would refuse the Raiders permission to talk with Rodgers. Any GM wants a bidding war for an asset he is seeking to trade. I suspect this was Rodgers attempting to manipulate the situation to his advantage or he just got bad information. If Gute actually blocked the Raiders from talking to Rodgers, he should be summarily fired for dereliction of duty (and I don't believe Gute is anywhere near that bad at his job).

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:52 am

Unless we know what the substance of the conversations were with the Raiders vs Jets interest, if may be as simple as the Packers telling Rodgers the Jets want you...the Raiders have inquired, but don't seem as interested.

"What do you prefer, Aaron? Do you want to play next year and where?"

Rodgers: "Yes I do. The Jets...definitely the Jets."

"OK...we will give permission for them to talk with you."

I don't think it is very complicated why Woody and the Jets jetted out to meet with Rodgers.

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dobber's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:23 am

I would say these things just based on my observations...

1. a post Jun 1 trade opens the Packers' cap by 9M up til that point (the proration that accelerates onto the cap in trade), and more than that after with division over two years' caps
2. a post Jun 1 trade allows the Packers to pay a little more on 12s bonus structure to help the Jets strapped cap and increases the likelihood of better draft return
3. the Packers' 2023 cap is tight, and adding high picks makes it tighter as they will demand significant bonuses and higher annual salaries than later picks.
4. the likelihood of down the road high picks is higher than #13 in 2023
5. the Jets haven't yet cut Corey Davis, expected to be a given and opens up significant cap space, after signing Lazard which is odd in light of...
6. the Jets are shedding players to make room for 12. They aren't adding and getting better around him...which leads to...
7. the Jets might be a playoff team in 2023, but they still need to contend with Buffalo, Miami, and New England with what's starting to feel like a weaker roster--that's not a soft division anymore--and to pick in the bottom quarter (24-32) they'll have to win a couple playoff games. I don't see them picking any lower than about 23 in 2024 which is nothing to sneeze at in trade.
8. no one is talking or putting pressure on the other party in the media. Not the Jets. Not the Packers...just clickbait folks trying to stir up readers. I suspect 12 will talk some on McTankTop this week, but this doesn't feel like anyone is pushing on anything. It doesn't feel like anyone has a sense of urgency.

Relatively Uninformed Prediction: the trade happens after Jun 1. The Packers secure two picks in 2024 and a player (Corey Davis) in return for 12.

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Guam's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:22 am

I simply don't believe Rodgers when he said the Packers wouldn't give the Raiders permission to talk to him. No GM, Gute included, would willingly give up that kind of leverage in a potential bargaining situation. That was likely Rodgers managing the media to pursue his interest in going to a team with a strong roster save a QB1.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Gute was calling other teams right now (Raiders, SF, Titans, etc.) trying to drum up interest in Rodgers. There is no better situation than multiple teams pursuing an asset you want to trade. The Packers have five weeks before the draft happens. Let Gute do what he does until then and see what kind of offer(s) he can get for Rodgers. If nothing materializes by the draft, then Ken Lass's advice may become relevant, but now would be premature to fold and give Rodgers away.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:33 am

I don't think the draft is the deadline. If they don't have a deal in place before the draft, maybe they strike a deal during the draft. And if not then this can wait until summer. Who is going to feel more pressure after the draft?

So lets say that the move isn't done before the draft. At that point, then the Packers can ask for a player and more draft picks in 24.
The players I'd ask for then are Elijah Moore and Jermaine Johnson. Both are on rookie contracts and could provide some help to GB.

I believe if the move is made post June, it makes it easier on the Packers with his salary cap as well.

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dobber's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:43 am

If it happens, it will need to happen before mandatory minicamps in June. If Hackett is installing a similar offenses to the one 12 ran in GB, it's not terribly important, but the Jets really are just trying to protect pick 13--and I don't blame the Packers for trying to get it.

Once this gets past the draft,, though, pick 13 is a moot point and it might as well wait until Jun 1. It might not be the best case scenario, but I think everyone benefits from that point.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:49 am

Definitely.
If it were to go past the draft, then I don't expect anything until June 1. Which at that point, it should turn into 1 player this year plus a 1st round pick next year and maybe a conditional pick in 25.

ultimately I think the goal should be 3 assets for Rodgers. Between players and draft picks. I think we need the combination of 3.

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Tekraut17's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:58 am

I believe a deal gets done before the draft as I don't think the Jets want to worry about another team that's looking to draft a QB not getting their guy and then entering into the AR sweepstakes. They would look like crap to their fans if this doesn't get done and someone else swoops in and nabs him.

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Guam's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:01 am

The draft doesn't have to be a deadline, but the structure of the deal changes significantly at that point. The Jet draft choices in 2024 will likely be of less value as they will be lower in the draft order (assuming a successful season with Rodgers at the helm). That plus the year delay is a significant hit to the compensation for Rodgers.

The post June 1 trade makes the 2023 cap easier for the Packers, but shifts more cap hit into 2024. Not sure that is a good thing. I would prefer to see the Packers get their cap issues behind them in 2023 while Jordan Love is learning to play QB in the NFL and plan for 2024 success.

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greengold's picture

March 20, 2023 at 12:39 pm

This is so spot on, Guam.

Couldn't agree more that the time is now to get a deal firmly established for the start of April's 2023 draft. Getting AR off the books asap looks highly desirable for a Packers team looking to establish a new QB1 they've spent years developing in the hopes of contending soon.

Having a clean cap, or, cleaner cap... would go a long way towards further solidifying the team for a more legit run into the 2024 playoff picture.

I find the Packers to be of a Super Bowl mindset, not playoffs as the goal. Rightly so. We should be all about winning championships, nothing less. Any awards bestowed along the way, gravy.

Rodgers couldn't grasp that plan.

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Swisch's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:31 am

Good stuff, Ken.
A second-round pick and Elijah Moore.
Deal done.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 20, 2023 at 12:06 pm

It is very much within the realm of possibility that the Packers only receive a 2nd - maybe 2 at most - for Rodgers.

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Since'61's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:35 am

I believe that a deal will get done. The Packers have some time left before they need to agree to any deal. However, if they want any picks from the 2023 draft they obviously need to make a deal before the 2023 draft ends.

The two things I don't understand is first, why the Packers did not allow other teams to make trade offers for Rodgers? That move alone would have driven up the asking price for Rodgers. Secondly why didn't the Packers work out a deal with the Jets prior to allowing the Jets to speak with Rodgers? If that were done once Rodgers agreed to play for the Jets the trade should have happened.

Now the question is how long are the Packers willing to play this out? If they don't reach a deal with the Jets what is Plan B? Do they cut Rodgers, take the cap hit and get nothing in return? Rodgers has stated that he won't return to Green Bay but who knows what he will do in the end.

The Packers have time to hold out for a better offer from the Jets but they should also be considering their options if a deal does not happen. They have about 5 weeks left if they want to get any 2023 picks for Aaron Rodgers. I hope that the Packers don't blow it. Thanks, Since '61

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:27 am

"The two things I don't understand is first, why the Packers did not allow other teams to make trade offers for Rodgers? Secondly why didn't the Packers work out a deal with the Jets prior to allowing the Jets to speak with Rodgers?"

Good questions.
First question - maybe they talked to Rodgers and asked where he wanted to go, and he said 49ers and Jets or something, and they said no to 49ers. This is just a wild guess on my part, but I could see a scenario like this work out.
Second question - what if they did? Maybe they had some parts of the deal worked out. Maybe the compensation was worked out, but they are figuring out the contract stuff? Maybe they are working on the financials part? Maybe they had that part worked out but not the compensation?

"Now the question is how long are the Packers willing to play this out? If they don't reach a deal with the Jets what is Plan B?"
If they Jets don't meet what we want and won't negotiate, then Rodgers can retire, or come back and sit the bench. It actually saves us money for him to return rather then trading him.

Just my guess. I am guessing they have the deal mostly worked out. It just hasn't came out yet. I'm also guessing that Rodgers real reason for going on Pat McCaffee was to try and get the deal done. Which was why he brought up the retiring part and whatnot. Basically to try and get GB go with that he was going to retire so why not get what they can for him (a 3rd round pick).

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Since'61's picture

March 20, 2023 at 11:10 am

RC - anything is possible and nothing would surprise me in terms of how this may ultimately play out.

The one point in your post that I disagree with is that I don't think the Packers can bring Rodgers back and have him sit on the bench. That would split the locker room and make it very difficult for Love to succeed.

As soon as Love has a poor game the fans would be screaming for the Packers to play Rodgers. Second the team would be divided between Love and Rodgers. Numerous Packer players have expressed their preference for Rodgers to return to the team including Aaron Jones and Rasul Douglas just to name two. We know how Bak feels about Rodgers. Third the Packers would look like bigger idiots than they currently appear by sitting an MVP/HOF QB who they are holding out for first round picks by sitting Rodgers. And Murphy has already stated "We're not idiots." So I doubt that Rodgers will return to the Packers regardless of how this ultimately ends.

I believe that the Packers still have some leverage in this situation. I think that they need to get a deal done prior to the draft to secure either player(s) and/or pick(s) who can help the team in 2023 and beyond.

The Jets fans want Rodgers to play for their team but Woody Johnson is and has been a wild card over the years and who knows how he will decide to play this out. I will say that I don't think the financial side is holding up the deal because Woody has more money than God and nearly everyone else. So I believe that if money was the hold up and Woody wants Rodgers to come play for the Jets he would just pay the cost. I think it has more to do with draft picks and/or players which the Packers are holding out for.

The other possibility is that the deal is done but won't go live until June 1 or later. I'm not sure how that plays out in terms of 2023 draft picks unless the Jets draft a player who the Packers want with their #13 pick and that player becomes part of a post June 1 deal.

As for the fans it's wait and see. That's where we're at. Thanks, Since '61

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MainePackFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 12:15 pm

"The other possibility is that the deal is done but won't go live until June 1 or later. I'm not sure how that plays out in terms of 2023 draft picks unless the Jets draft a player who the Packers want with their #13 pick and that player becomes part of a post June 1 deal."

'61, I've thought about the same thing. It would free up cap space for the Packers in 2023. The Jets will restructure regardless, but unfortunately the Packers would be delaying the majority of the inevitable pain until 2024.

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4thand10's picture

March 20, 2023 at 02:48 pm

You’re assuming many teams wanted him.

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Jared's picture

March 20, 2023 at 11:41 pm

How do we know some of this stuff we are talking about? Did anybody in the organization say they denied anyone to talk to AR? Do we know for sure that a deal isn’t done? I just think that on some things we are all just making “guesses”!!

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:47 am

Sit tight. Stand firm. Don't flinch. Stay on target.

Woody Johnson isn't getting any younger, and he perceives there to be a savior within his grasp. What he covets will drive the deal sooner rather than later.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 20, 2023 at 02:24 pm

I like it LH!

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JLab3's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:49 am

This is all about the Packers unloading a contract they can't really afford, a player near the end and moving forward with Jordan Love. With Lazard signed the Jets can afford to give up a receiver. So try and negotiate a receiver and whatever draft picks the Jets are willing to give up and move on. Remember, the Jets could come out ahead by signing Ryan Tannehill for next to nothing compared to Rodgers, give up nothing in draft compensation and likely be in position to take a solid rookie QB in 2024. I'm not convinced the Packers have the leverage everyone seems to think they have.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:51 am

Ken, My wife took my dog into the vet and had his balls cut off. Did you go along?

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x24's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:01 am

My heart goes out to your wife

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:09 am

Let Gutey do his job. (He's working here!)

Hold your ground Gutey. Woody Johnson will get bored and make it happen!

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:13 am

On the contrary, Woody Johnson appears "excited" at the thought of #12.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:26 am

He is excited... *He will make it happen!

*He'll cave.

*He'll give up whatever Gutey wants.

Reread my original comment.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:36 am

:)

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TarynsEyes's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:10 am

Foot meet Gun.
Gun, say hello to Foot.
Sure, says Gun, BANG!!!
Who is Foot, and who is Gun?

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:14 am

Kevin Bacon?

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:35 am

Who has the finger on the gun?

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

March 20, 2023 at 05:42 pm

It has been said of late that a gun is capable of firing without having a finger on the trigger.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

March 20, 2023 at 04:01 pm

In an ideal world, you’re the foot.

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harleycops's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:20 am

This fiasco is just typical of Packer management. The Love draft put this team into a FO vs QB duel. Tho AR won 2 MVPs, yet they failed to advance to the SB, even with playoff games in GB. As other teams stockpile their teams via FA moves, we sit back waiting for 1 move to play out. We've lost players. Beyond signing a few special team players, we have added 0 to make impacts for next season. Yes, there is a draft and 5 months before the season, but this has been the pattern for years. Why? Blasted salary cap that handcuffs this team every year and will - long into the future due to AR's mountainous contract. So guess we'll see how it turns out. This might be one of Guter's biggest transactions. Question is: will it be a win or a loss?

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:00 am

Perhaps Gutey is trying to make lemonade after Murphy's salary cap mountain of lemons.

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NitschkeFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:23 am

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-trade-package-heres-the...

An interesting article on fair trade package. Conditional picks from Jets in 2024 and 2025 that could range from a 2nd rounder and a 4th rounder up to each being 1st rounders depending upon conditions met

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:43 am

Come on Woody, sweeten the deal. Throw in a year's supply of urinal cakes...

We got this!

"Son, urinate...but if you improve your pad level, you would be a 10.

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Lphill's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:46 am

have to get a first round pick for Rodgers anything less the Jets win, should actually get this years first and next years.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:47 am

OK. Lets say Jets do not want to give this draft 13th choice. I say OK. Give same value of 2nd, 3rd and 4th pick instead and conditional pick next year (let say 4th rounder) that can become 3rd or 2nd or 1st rounder if you win this season divisional round, 2nd if you would be in AFCCG or 1st rounder if you'll be in front of AFC in SB.

Jets and lot of commentators believe that 13th pick is to valuable for giving in trade. I will accept their wish and ask adequate compensation for that. And "leak" our offer to Jets. And wait the reaction of Jets Nation if they do not accept.

We would be able to get additional 1st rouder or multiple 2nd rounder on the draft with those additional picks.

I will not go to 2024 draft with any demands if they offer us to cut the price in this season draft. Because with ACR you never know what his decision would be. He might, as well, retire. I do not think he will, but who really knows.

I might be inexperienced in those draft talks, but you have to make your offer more acceptable to their GM, so he can justify that deal.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:11 am

Yeah that would definitely be the negotiating part. If they don't want the 1st pick, give us equivalent to it. Maybe we say we want a player, plus picks this year. And conditional pick next year.

But if I'm GB, I want that 13th pick, plus other picks/players. So if you really want Rodgers, you have to give me something good in return.

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lou's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:13 am

First of all, no one mind cleansed above or below ground walks away from $60M guaranteed so to say if the deal falls through he retires I hope was a miss print on your part. Ted Thompson had full control of football operations and had the backbone to not only tell Favre the "train had left the station" when he tried to return but then quickly made the trade to the Jet's to end any more controversy for the Packers and there fans. It has been reported today by several sources that the Packers-Jets trade of Rodgers has been ongoing since prior to the Super Bowl which means the Packer official (Murphy) with the control Thompson had may end up regretting his comment a few weeks ago "We Are Not Idiots".

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croatpackfan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 11:02 am

"...which means the Packer official (Murphy) with the control Thompson had may end up regretting his comment a few weeks ago "We Are Not Idiots"."

Idiots never regret for their decisions. They are convinced that they made the best possible!

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:19 am

I think the size of Rodgers K, not draft picks, is the hold up.

The negotiations certainly involve how much the Packers will absorb (if anything) on that $60 million deal...or if the "I intend to play for the Jets" Rodgers agrees to a smaller K with the Jets.

As I understand it (probably do not...TGR likely does), the Packers cap hit for Rodgers in 2023 of $30 mil goes up to $40 million with a pre June 1 trade.

That reduces available cap from $24 mil down to $14 mil. Any additional $1 the Packers were to pay on Rodgers K also reduces 2023 cap space by $1.

Do we think the Packers would pony up $10 mil to help the Jets cover the $60 mil cost the Rodgers K? That would leave the Packers with $4 mil cap space...and some big name cuts would follow.

If Rodgers is "digging in his heels" and won't renegotiate his deal...maybe Woody and the Jets are questioning the man's desire to play.

If the Jets decide the cost of Rodgers is too big a risk now and walks away, do not rule out a retirement.

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Racingdad's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:35 am

So if he retires as you state if jets only offer a third I say than retire

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jaxpackfan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:23 am

The key question for me would be have the Jets made their "best and final" offer. If that is the case, Murphy/Gute need to make their decision (go or get off the pot) quickly. The waiting is hurting both teams.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:50 am

How is it hurting the Packers?

No possible way to hurt the Packers.

TT traded Favre in a heartbeat when he had to. Gutey is not in that situation yet!

If he were, the deal would already be done.

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BAMABADGER's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:29 am

A first round this year.
A second round if AR plays year 2
A third round of AR plays year 3, and so on.....

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BAMABADGER's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:29 am

A first round this year.
A second round if AR plays year 2
A third round of AR plays year 3, and so on.....

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Racingdad's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:30 am

Hey gute joes on the phone -ask him if it’s 13 - no - hang up !!!

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 20, 2023 at 10:32 am

Sir Gute is in so much control, it almost isn't fair to NY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QEAA94FjHc

(*Matthew McConaughey and his Lincoln MKX)

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splitpea1's picture

March 20, 2023 at 11:13 am

I have mixed views on this.

It would be great to move on from all this as soon as possible, but who looks more stupid if this deal doesn't go through? The Jets have already hired Hackett, signed Lazard, let their backup QB sign with a division rival, and would be counting as Zach Wilson as their starter if Rodgers isn't there. So the Packers can afford to hold out for the best return they can get.

On the other hand, it's not in the best interests of anyone to be unrealistic with compensation demands. The two front offices should be able to find a reasonable compromise which leaves both parties feeling satisfied. To be honest, I wouldn't want to part with a high first-round pick this year, either; but maybe a future conditional first-rounder would be okay. And there are obviously a great many other compensation packages that would be acceptable.

There's no need to be in a great hurry, but DO make sure this deal gets done.

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Booner's picture

March 20, 2023 at 11:27 am

The Goons that are running the Packers will certainly make the best choice for our franchise! Don't question them!!!!

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TarynsEyes's picture

March 20, 2023 at 11:29 am

Would the Packers pay for Rodgers what they want the Jets to pay for Rodgers? If so, then keep him.

If the Jets believe GB would pass, why should they pay that ask?

Are the Packers more desperate to be rid of Rodgers than the Jets are to get him?

The lack of real suitors plays well for the Jets, and with Lamar, and even Stafford on the market, the Jets are in a stronger position to offer less for Rodgers.

The Packers' finger is on the gun, and it's pointing knowingly at their own foot. The Jets are simply waiting for them to pull the trigger.

The Jets aren't going to pay what GB wants, when GB doesn't want to pay that themselves.

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4thand10's picture

March 20, 2023 at 02:58 pm

Woody wants the precious. He wants a SB. I believe RCs dealership analogy is correct.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

March 20, 2023 at 11:47 am

Is it possible that the trade is complete and they're waiting to announce after June 1st? Is it also possible that part of the trade is that the Jets are given a list of draft choices named by Guty, and at the draft, whoever (whomever?) is at the top of that list and is still available at pick 13, the Jets pick him (or her, this is after all 2023) then trade him/her, plus a player, to the Packers for bubkas? Is that legal? That way the Packers get both the pick and the cap relief. I think. I don't know. Never mind. I'm getting dizzy. At this point, I think I'll switch my attention to our 15th pick and hope she turns out to be really good. Or he. Or they.

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Rossonero's picture

March 20, 2023 at 11:48 am

I don't want conditional picks. That's highway robbery for a guy who played injured last year with a bunch of rookie WRs and a banged up O-line, minus arguably the best WR in the NFL in Davante Adams. Yes, he is old and may be declining, but to trade him for a 3rd or 4th rounder is just insulting.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Packers will get a Stafford-type of deal though either. Hindsight is 20/20, but this is why I kept saying to sell high after the 2021 season after the loss to the Niners. The Broncos were drooling for a QB and would've given us the King's ransom we wanted. But no....the Packers front office gave Rodgers this insane contract instead.

Gutekunst made his bed and now gets to roll around in it.

The two main pressure points are:
1. The draft - depends on how badly the Packers want draft picks in 2023
2. June 1st - cap hit drops from $40M to $15M, but it just pushes the balance of that cap hit into 2024

If I'm the Packers, I wait. Let the Jets negotiate with themselves by making offers. Until then, it should be quiet at 1265 Lombardi Avenue -- at least until May/June timeframe.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

March 20, 2023 at 06:29 pm

Sensible.

And Jordan Love seems like a nice kid, but what is the basis for the confidence he is not Don Horn or Jerry Tagge or Rich Campbell, former Packer 1st round drafted QB's. Jordan appears to be better than Brett Hundley, but we have not seen anything as to how Jordan plays when the opposing team know Jordan is starting - all we have is the Chiefs game that Jordan started and what did the Packers score?

Rodgers is being grossly undervalued by the 31 billionaire NFL owners' Sports illustrated/ESPN/NFL Network/NBC Pro Football Talk/CBS/etc. wage slave/talking heads who are given their script by the collective revenue maximizing 31 Billionaire owners who share television revenues equally along with the Packers and maximizing revenue requires:

A) New York, the largest television viewing market in the world, to have maximum clicks and viewership

and

B) parity league wide

thus Rodgers to the Jets - and its New York television market - is a Billionaire Owner Revenue/Profit maximizing move and their scripted wage slave/talking heads are out there working to make this trade as cheap as possible to get the Jets winning again and Jets & New York television viewership of the Jets up again.

If you cancel the Seattle 4th round pick against the Denver 5th round pick, Russell Wilson was traded for 6 players - the 9th (2022), 5th (2023), 40th (2022), 37th (2023) picks in the NFL Draft - all unconditional draft picks - and a young solid starting tight end (Noah Fant, the 20th pick in the 2019 draft) and a starting defensive end (Shelby Harris) - 6 players who will be Seattle starters and 2 of which (5th and 9th pick) will probably be all pros - for Russell Wilson.

And the 31 billionaire NFL owners' Sports illustrated wage slave/talking heads said the Jets would give us what?

43rd overall pick this year and a conditional pick in 2024? Nuts. A 13th pick in the first round is also nuts - try a first and second in 2023 and first and second in 2024 and a couple starters.

Over Rodgers 15 years as a starter Green Bay has been in 5 NFC Championship games, more than any other NFC team, all of whom have had multiple quarterbacks, and in 21 playoff games, more than any other NFC team and their multiple quarterbacks. Green Bay fans 40 years older or younger don't remember the 1968 through 1991 when the Packers were in the playoffs just 2 times in 23 years - 1972 and strike shortened 1982.

Aaron last year played with broken thumb from the Giants game onwards and a rotating offensive line and rotating and injured new wide receivers had 41 drops - including 5 drops in the pivotal last playoff determining Lion game - relative to 15 drops in 2021 when Davante Adams led the team in drops with only 3 in 169 targets! Add 26 completions (41 minus 15) and Rodgers - even with the broken thumb and rotating offensive line - is at the top of the QB stats and the Packers are in the playoffs.

Look at the Wilson and Stafford trades and think Tom Brady playing at top level thru age 45.because that is exactly what Aaron Rodgers will do.

The Packers trading Rodgers at all is terrible for the Packers from both a 1) human perspective and 2) pure winning football perspective, but if the Packers management makes this horrible mistake they should get as much as Seattle and Detroit received for Wilson and Stafford and MORE.

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barutanseijin's picture

March 20, 2023 at 09:20 pm

He’s better than Rich Campbell already. That much is known.

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Qoojo's picture

March 20, 2023 at 12:05 pm

Pretty sure the packers are ok with not trading AR for cap reasons and he is still pretty good.

I hate to point out the obvious here:

Title: "The Lass Word: Packers Should Take the Deal"

..."I don’t know what they are actually offering for Rodgers at this point"...

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TXCHEESE's picture

March 20, 2023 at 02:17 pm

Packers have some time. All it takes is for some other contender to have the starter injure himself during an off-season workout and bam, bidder number 2 joins the fray. I don't think GB is expecting a ransom for AR, but if the Jets really think he's the missing piece, I would say the pressure is squarely on them to get a deal done. Packers a good month before things get tight, no need to panic and take the Jets first offer.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

March 20, 2023 at 04:12 pm

Packers should swap #15 pick with Jets #13 and take the Jets 2nd,3rd and 4th round picks in 2023.

If Rodgers plays in 2024 (for any team) the Jets owe us a 2024 1st round and 2025 1st round.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

March 20, 2023 at 05:46 pm

If the Jets get Rodgers and he performs well and sends them to the playoffs/Super Bowl, a 2024 draft pick in the 1st or second round is not going to be an early pick and has less value.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

March 20, 2023 at 06:00 pm

Rodgers is being grossly undervalued by the 31 billionaire NFL owners' Sports illustrated/ESPN/NFL Network/NBC Pro Football Talk/CBS/etc. wage slave/talking heads who are given their script by the collective revenue maximizing 31 Billionaire owners who share television revenues equally along with the Packers and maximizing revenue requires:

A) New York, the largest television viewing market in the world, to have maximum clicks and viewership

and

B) parity league wide

thus Rodgers to the Jets - and its New York television market - is a Billionaire Owner Revenue/Profit maximizing move and their scripted wage slave/talking heads are out there working to make this trade as cheap as possible to get the Jets winning again and Jets & New York television viewership of the Jets up again.

If you cancel the Seattle 4th round pick against the Denver 5th round pick, Russell Wilson was traded for 6 players - the 9th (2022), 5th (2023), 40th (2022), 37th (2023) picks in the NFL Draft - all unconditional draft picks - and a young solid starting tight end (Noah Fant, the 20th pick in the 2019 draft) and a starting defensive end (Shelby Harris) - 6 players who will be Seattle starters and 2 of which (5th and 9th pick) will probably be all pros - for Russell Wilson.

And the 31 billionaire NFL owners' Sports illustrated wage slave/talking heads said the Jets would give us what?

43rd overall pick this year and a conditional pick in 2024? Nuts. A 13th pick in the first round is also nuts - try a first and second in 2023 and first and second in 2024 and a couple starters.

Over Rodgers 15 years as a starter Green Bay has been in 5 NFC Championship games, more than any other NFC team, all of whom have had multiple quarterbacks, and in 21 playoff games, more than any other NFC team and their multiple quarterbacks. Green Bay fans 40 years older or younger don't remember the 1968 through 1991 when the Packers were in the playoffs just 2 times in 23 years - 1972 and strike shortened 1982.

Aaron last year played with broken thumb from the Giants game onwards and a rotating offensive line and rotating and injured new wide receivers had 41 drops - including 5 drops in the pivotal last playoff determining Lion game - relative to 15 drops in 2021 when Davante Adams led the team in drops with only 3 in 169 targets! Add 26 completions (41 minus 15) and Rodgers - even with the broken thumb and rotating offensive line - is at the top of the QB stats and the Packers are in the playoffs.

Look at the Wilson and Stafford trades and think Tom Brady playing at top level thru age 45.because that is exactly what Aaron Rodgers will do.

The Packers trading Rodgers at all is terrible for the Packers from both a 1) human perspective and 2) pure winning football perspective, but if the Packers management makes this horrible mistake they should get as much as Seattle and Detroit received for Wilson and Stafford and MORE.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 20, 2023 at 08:27 pm

Best post of the Day.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

March 20, 2023 at 06:37 pm

I’m in the Dobber camp for everything he points out. A post June 1 trade benefits the packers and could be a win/win for the deal. First I’d argue that the GBP are not a likely playoff team next year with Love. Growing pains and all plus a resurgent Lions, rebuilding Bears and, while frauds, the defending NFC North champion Vikings. Thus getting picks this year is not really critical. Second, much of the reason to trade Rodgers is the cap hit. Post June 1 helps. why not a pick trade with a player to be named later (6/2)? Lastly, how can the jets say that 12 is the missing piece, ya know the QB/most important player on the team, but he’s not worth even a third? Yeah. Insulin is what keeps ya alive but youre not paying more than fifty cents? The GBP are under the cap now with QB12. There is no pressure to trade him. Yeah, you can’t add free agents but who’s even left that would get GB to the Lombardi trophy ? This is a reset for the team. Do it right. Go slow.

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Wilment's picture

March 20, 2023 at 06:54 pm

Ok, lets look at the flip side of this, why the jets should pony up for Rodgers. The jets are and have been the number two team in what is one of the leagues largest markets With the emergence of the Bills as a competitive team, they may actually be third at this point .The jets havent won a Super Bowl in 55 years, or a championship game either.After choking down the stretch last year and much whooping by ownership about bulking up in the off season, the jets are still with the same problem at quarterback they had at the end of last year-no quarterback. No meaningful free agent quarterbacks remain, unless you want to call up Matty ice. Ask the folks in Indy how that went.Jets fans are quick approaching the end of their rope. The Jets must bring Rodgers in to show the base that they are committed to win. Not to do wo will be seen as an epic failure by their fans

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Gregorytb9's picture

March 20, 2023 at 07:31 pm

Watch it play out like this

“Green Bay wants a 1st round pick”
Jets fans “that’s laughable!!! 4th rounder maybe”

Week passes (a pat mcafee appearance)

“Green Bay wants a 1st round pick and a player”
Jets fans “get lost. 3rd round, maybe a player but that’s crazy”

Week passes, another pat mcafee appearance

“Green Bay wants a 1st round pick, a 3rd round pick and a player”
Jets fans “bullsh$t! A player and 2nd only maybe!”

week passes, more mcafee

“Green Bay was holding strong on their demands but Jets got them to compromise for a 1st round pick only”

Jets fans “hahaha suck on that Green Bay, we got Rodgers for only 1 1st round pick. What a STEAL. Douglas is a genius!”

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Yep-a_jets_fan's picture

March 21, 2023 at 03:18 pm

You Packers fans are are a trip! Delusional for sure (maybe too many cheese curds?) but certainly funny. As a lifelong Jets fan, I think the concept that most of you seem to have trouble grasping is that the true NYJ fans don't really care much for this Rodgers trade. Unlike you all, we do not believe Rodgers is the messiah that will magically take us to the superbowl next year, or the year after that for that matter. We tried that once already with your sloppy seconds, remember?

Rodgers is one more bad season away (or one injury, whichever comes first) from hanging it up. Why on earth should the Jets give up anything of significant value for him? Giving up a 1st rd pick and whatever other ridiculous demands you guys have will only set our club back another 5+ years. No thanks.

My advice to you all: take what you can get. Be happy that you can shed the cap space. The Pack has a whole lot more to lose if this deal falls apart, and the longer this gets stale, the sooner we start exploring other options like Stafford or Jackson.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 21, 2023 at 05:09 pm

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."

The Dude

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Wilment's picture

March 26, 2023 at 07:10 pm

I lived in NY most of my life...and have watched Jets fans suffer. When Favre left ny, he took the Vikings to one play from the superbowlthe next season. Difference for the jets is they are actually a quarterback away from it They arent going to go after Lamar because they dont have the space. As far as Stafford, guy is oft injured and coming off a serious one. As for the packers, they benefit more from a post June trade so maybe it will be a player and next years picks. He will end up in ny, and GB will get a fair amount of trade compensation for him.

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Mjohnson's picture

March 25, 2023 at 09:41 am

I agree with you, it is time to move on and stop dragging there feet. They have a habit of doing that and it usually hurts them in the end. I say take 2 second round picks this year and get on with the Jordon Love Era.

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