Stats are a by-product of coaching, player execution, scheme, and in-game adjustments, which is why the numbers vary some or a lot week to week. When watching the game, are you (everyone) looking for stats or how the game is being approached on both sides of the ball.

Stats are meaningless, unless they can be legitimately applied to what you see. Too many use averages as a guide or end -all as to production, when all they do is hide the terrible or inflate the mediocre, or support the great when actually applicable.

The margins between the 15th and 20th are often too narrow to make one seem much better than another. Success in situations makes the difference in winning and losing, regardless of rankings or statistical averages.

The Packers should win this game, because the Panthers are terrible in defining situations, at least worse than GB, and averages/rankings have nothing to do with it.

Way too many maths for me, Ken. All them suh-tiss-ticks do is dumbfound those of us with slender brains and short attention spans. Here's all we need to know (I learned it from Mark Tauscher on the radio). Ya see, Joe Barry's D was designed to be effective against 8-man football teams that don't want to score. Scheme-wise, Joe's ideal opponent will focus entirely on matriculating the ball up and down the field between the 20s. No scoring. Any field goal attempts are pulled or shanked. Time of possession doesn't matter. All them analytics are just, well, you know what they say; you can't spell analytics without "anal."

See, that way, the D is always playing with a lead, and, *insert heavenly angels choir here*, any communication issues are inconsequential. If woes pop up, a big meeting will be held a day or two after the game and some things will be said. That's it!

When you have as much difficulty containing the run as the Packers do, you don't need a great QB to win. With the exception of two contests, NO and MIN, we have not stymied any opponent's rushing game. You also don't need a great QB when your defenders are playing so far off the receivers that you're inviting him to complete the pass; and that's undoubtedly one of the reasons we're 25th in third-down conversion percentage.

"They have the talent." This is mostly true as far as draft status and athletic traits are concerned, but there's a lot more to than that. Is it the right mix of talent? Is physicality an issue in a couple of positions? Is pass defense stressed so much that run defense is an afterthought? Is there enough film review and preparation on the part of the individuals so that they're aware of all their assignments? Have they been trained to tackle properly? Are they mentally ready to take on all opponents or do they just perk up when the more daunting opponents lie in wait?

When you have a defense that has underperformed to this degree, the entire operation needs to be put under the microscope and viewed/corrected by a highly qualified outsider. Whether or not the Packers' decision makers have the firmness of mind and skill to make this happen still remains to be seen.

Said it on another post but it's worth repeating. Bryce Young might make it 3 weeks in a row that the NFC Offensive Player of the Week is the opposing QB. I'll be shocked if he doesn't have his best game of the season. Which is just sad.

This is as good as any article to explain my thoughts on the Packers and Barry (in a moment).

But first, i'll respond to the comment posed by Mr. Lass about why the Packers beat teams with a strong offense's.
Namely the Saints, Rams, Chiefs, and Lions....
"Yet Green Bay beat all four of them, and in doing so held each of them below their per game scoring average." - Ken.
(IDK.....give some credit to the defense?)

Well...We lose to the Saints if not for a missed field goal.
The three others.....scoring averages are a combination of playing a lot of different teams. There are different matchups, coaches game plans are different. There are many variables in a week to week league.
Games aren't played on paper.

If team X beats team Z, who just beat team Y.
That doesn't mean that team Y can't beat team X. (Give it a minute, 😏).
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As far as firing Barry, and i DON'T disagree.
There is no reason to fire him now, Why?...out of angst, disgust, hate, would it make you feel better?

3 games isn't going to change the defense one bit, they'll still call the same coverages, use the same language, etc.
Can MLF even fire Barry, does he need approval from the Boss man in charge, none of us know that.
I'll say this, if MLF considers Barry a friend, can you blame him for waiting until seasons end to fire him?
I mean c'mon.

The Packers have a 25% chance of making the playoffs, not the 93% if the Packers "win out".
The Packers hardly control their own destiny here.
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As far as the defense giving up huge yards, huge rushing yardage, making young unheralded QB's look good.
IS THIS SOMETHING NEW?
Did this just start happening?....lmao
Hell no, this has been going on for a decade plus, any informed Packer fan knows this.

Has it continued with Barry...yes it has, but again, this is not new.

What stands out against Barry...is all the resources that the Packers have dedicated to the defense, that is part of the outrage over Barry, not putting it all together, and i agree, to a point!!

Lets not pretend that all of our so called defensive stars, play like stars week in, week out.
All the hype of top draft picks that haven't produced sans Alexander.

Plus we now have our Preston Smiths.....
Players who make a play every so often to let you know they are still a Packer.
I love me some Kenny Clark, and he just had a nice game recently, but lets be honest, we don't hear from him very often.
Rashan Gary is a one move guy with a tremendous high performance motor, but he is not in the elite.
If 'hurries' were wins, we'd have a couple more trophy's in the case.

Does anyone really believe that Quay Walker should be the 'Mike'?
I love Quay Walker, every so often he makes a play, but mostly, he doesn't let the ball carrier get to far past the first down marker (cough).
See AJ Hawk.

You could make the argument that Barry should have been let go after last season, and i wouldn't disagree.
But he wasn't for reasons we can only assume.

Bottomline........

There is shared blame here down the line, Murphy, Gute, MLF, Barry.....
He'll be let go at seasons end, no doubt.

Okay my two cents and I'll try and make some sense. First my ob goes back about four years.
I used to sit and say, what is wrong with the team playing us running a lot. This is the worse pass d in football, pass against us and you win.
Now the crazy part, most teams had so much freaking success running, they never really went upstairs much. So they didn't exploit the packs real weakness, the pass.
The BUCS abandoned the run and they have a great run game but they realized the big chunks of yardage was via the pass.
Thus our pass d always sucked but the run d was so bad nobody passed that much.

Mike Daniels, former GBP D-lineman gave a very good and accurate assessment of the "culture" of the Packers philosophy on playing defense and the consistent display of a "soft" mindset.
The facts seem to support this. We need to look bi further than the complete beat down in post season play the last several plus years.
The Colin Kapernick led 49ers when he single handedly destroyed the Packers running all over lambeau field. An embarrassing performance as the defense had no answer. The physical 49ers have owned the Packers in recent history with their physical style. Physical teams have consistently punched the Packers in the mouth with little to no resistance.
It's really very simple. When you have a soft defensive philosophy you get a soft mindset on the field that results in soft performances
Barry already told all of us earlier today at his PC that there will be no drastic changes to his approach.
So be warned Packers fans. Prepare yourselves for more SOFT shell coverages and another SOFT performance (s) the rest of the season.
If MLF's main priority is winning then hearing Barry's pressor today should have sparked an immediate meeting with his buddy Joe.

i watched this match on and i saw that. That seems appropriate. Upon powering up, WiFi ought to be available (unless the WiFi firmware still has to be flashed).

AT the end of the day MLF is responsible for all coaching decisions , he just is not the right fit for this team .

So, Barry defended his defense yesterday. And things won't be changing much. Well we shouldn't be expecting anything different. Ken, you have caught the key. They play well against the good QB's. Meaning they respond well to a challenge. Against the poorer QB's, the challenge is to attack and don't let them get into rhythm. This never happens with Barry.

How many times do we see in games that teams make adjustments in game and by the second half, the defense can't stop anything. Happened in the Giants game. Happened in the Buc's game.

What will happen against Carolina. If they score over 20 points, They will have a chance to win the game. yup, can't wait to see what happens..... So sad