The Lass Word: Who Got It Right, Seahawks or Packers?

The comparison will be inescapable.

For about the next five years or so it will be very interesting to compare the progress of the Seattle Seahawks and Green Bay Packers. Both teams faced basically the same decision: Stay with their star quarterback and continue to try to build a team around him capable of winning a Super Bowl, or concede that it’s just not going to happen with him, so trade him and rebuild. 

 

As you know, the Packers and Seahawks chose to go in opposite directions. Green Bay elected to do whatever was necessary to bring back Aaron Rodgers. The Seahawks opted to deal Russell Wilson to Denver for a truckload of high draft picks and three veteran players, including a young quarterback. 

 

Who made the right call? In the short term, one would think it would be the Packers who, by maintaining the status quo, will field a team immediately good enough to make the playoffs, but which has proven inadequate in recent seasons to be able to advance out of their conference. Meanwhile the Seahawks, who also released future Hall of Fame linebacker Bobby Wagner for cap space, would appear to be in a long term reconstruction of their roster.  

 

Or are they? Now armed with four first round picks and four second round picks over the next two years, Seattle has the draft capital to move anywhere they want to in the coming draft, or to package some of those picks to acquire an accomplished quarterback who is younger and less expensive than Wilson. Jimmy Garoppolo would be a perfect candidate, although the 49ers likely would not trade him to a team in their own division. Perhaps Seattle intends to make a play for Deshaun Watson, figuring he will soon be clear of his legal difficulties. Houston would gladly part with Watson. Jameis Winston is out there.  

 

Whichever way they decide to go, the Seahawks certainly have given themselves options and flexibility. The downside is, they have taken the risk of not getting good enough play at the most important position to remain competitive. They no longer have a sure thing at quarterback.  

 

The Packers are in the opposite situation. They kept their sure thing. Rodgers alone gives you a chance to win every game. But they have virtually no flexibility with their roster. They will struggle to bring back the other key players from last year’s team. At least a few starters will have to be cut or not re-signed just to get under the cap. Their highest draft pick isn’t until the 28th slot. There will be little or no money for the free agent market. They will be tight against the cap for the next two years at least. 

 

That doesn’t necessarily mean Green Bay made the wrong decision. The Packers were much closer to a Super Bowl than Seattle. The strong suit of their front office seems to be finding quality help on the cheap. They may not have the money to bring back De’Vondre Campbell or Rasul Douglas, but some heretofore unknown player who can fill those shoes is out there, and this front office is adept at uncovering them. With a hit or two in the draft, just moderate improvement on special teams, and a smile from the injury gods, the Packers could be good enough to win a Super Bowl immediately. 

 

So it promises to be very instructive to see where these two franchises stand about five years down the road. Which one will be able to look back and say “We nailed it!” 

 

►  If we’ve learned anything about Aaron Rodgers all these years, it’s that he plays his best when he’s angry, when he has something to prove. Early in his career he was insulted at dropping all the way down to 24th in the first round. He responded by winning a Super Bowl within the first three years of becoming a starter. In recent years, he was again insulted by his lack of involvement in team decisions, and especially by the drafting of his apparent successor without his foreknowledge. He responded with back-to-back MVP seasons.  

 

But now he has won all his battles. He forced complete capitulation from the team. He has rendered the player drafted to replace him, Jordan Love, basically irrelevant. He has a long term commitment which includes the highest guaranteed money bundle in league history. So here’s my concern: What is left to motivate him now? He suddenly loves the front office. He’s always loved his coaches and teammates. He loves the fans. Love, love, love. That makes me nervous. I don’t want Aaron Rodgers all mellow and content. I want him angry. Somebody needs to say something to tick him off.  

 

I feel sure that will happen before September.     

 

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 11, 2022 at 06:44 am

The Lass Word: Who Got It Right, Seahawks or Packers?

In the moment, Both teams got it right!

Rodgers is the best QB in the league. You don't get rid of the best player in the league. Its that simple. Wilson is not close to that level of QB. Seattle getting rid of him after there has been a bit of a rift between them the last few years, was the right decision. Both teams got it right. Now, Seattle will get it wrong if they draft poorly the next few years. If they waste the picks they got for Wilson, they then got it wrong. But that won't be decided for a few years. Up front though they made the best decision they could have for now.

The team that I would question if they got it right are the Broncos. They were desperate for a QB. While Wilson is good, he hasn't been great for a whole season in a long time. IMO he is over rated, but regardless, they paid a lot to get him there. Wilson will be an improvement from who they have had. But will it be enough to get them to the Super Bowl. Remember they have to play Mahomes, Herbert and Carr twice a year. That's no easy task.

The thing about this league is, if you have a Star QB you keep them. If you don't have a star QB you are constantly looking for one.

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murf7777's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:00 am

RC….not sure about your QB grading scale, but I’d argue Wilson is a Top 5 QB in the League. He still throws one of the prettiest balls in the NFL. He is also very mobile.

Here are Wilsons rating over he past 4 years.
Year. QB rating. Record. Award
2018. 111. 10-6. PB
2019. 106. 11-5. PB & AP
2020. 105. 12-4. PB
2021. 105. 6-8. PB

I’d agree last year wasn’t his best. It was also the first year he didn’t start every game. Maybe he was also playing with some nagging injuries.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 11, 2022 at 10:42 am

Russell Wilson/Aaron Rodgers PFF grades:

2018: 86.9/89.0 PB
2019: 91.1/81.4 PB
2020: 90.3/94.5 MVP
2021: 73.9/89.6 MVP
Ave: 85.55/88.625

Passer ratings:
Wilson: 110.9; 106.3; 105.1; 103.1
Rodgers: 97.6; 95.4; 121.5; 111.9

Wilson's passer rating has been both excellent and consistent. AR has had more fluctuations. One can argue which QB had a better supporting cast. I'd say AR had better offensive lines and probably better receiving corps overall. In 2021, Lockett, Metcalf, Everett/Dissly over Adams, Lazard, MVS, Tonyan, Lewis but Jones and Dillon are better than Rashard Penny and Alex Collins (who caught just 15 passes combined for just 135 yards). I would have to find the reason for Wilson's lower PFF grade but it looks like his injury and playing in a very tough division explains it.

No question Wilson is one month shy of being a full five years younger than AR. Is it true that AR seriously considered retirement?

Would fans really trade one final year with AR for two firsts, two seconds, Fant, Shelby Harris and Lock? Really? What about two years of AR? We fans don't know AR's intentions (assuming AR knows them), but Nathaniel Hackett might have a good feel for it.

Time will tell whether Denver extends Wilson by ripping up his two remaining years at $24M and $27M, just tacks on a few years to that $24M and $27M price, or something else.

Jersey Al points to the Wilson trade to suggest that those of us (including me) who wondered whether GB would get a staggering haul of AR were right. We will never know. I will admit that Seattle got more than I thought. I thought 2 firsts and a 2nd at least for AR, but not a third first rounder and I thought maybe 2 1s, a second and a third.

The players are interesting but actually sound better than they are. I don't care about Drew Lock. Shelby is a nice player, but he is 31 years old, with $8M and $9M cap hits to Seattle. GB can buy an old but still good IDL on the open market for $17M over two years.

Noah Fant is in a contract year but has a 5th year option at $6.65M - note that Denver's GM was non-committal when asked about picking up the option, but that could be because he knew Fant might be part of a package to trade for a QB so leaving that decision to his new team made sense. Fant's PFF grade: 61.6; 71.2 and not surprisingly a 52 as a rookie. Fant had 567, 673 and 670 receiving yards in the last 3 years. Yeah, Fant has value in a trade. I don't know but would assume his blocking is subpar. There's this line from Mile High Sports when Denver hired Hackett: "The disappointments haven’t just been as a receiver though, as he’s also failed to live up to the relatively low expectations surrounding his blocking ability. As the Broncos move away from a gap scheme and instead to a zone-blocking scheme, Fant should see improvement here as well."

Wilson is 9-7 in the playoffs and he also has won a super bowl. His career PR in the playoffs is 95.7. His PR in playoff games the last three years is 105.9, 107.4, and just 72 in 2021.

IDK, but I agree with Murf: I'd trade AR straight up to Denver for Wilson given the 5 year age disparity and possible savings on the cap.

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wildbill's picture

March 11, 2022 at 12:11 pm

Nice post and I agree about your Wilson ratings. The thing I have noticed about Wilson though is he starts every year on fire and a MVP candidate. When the weather gets cold he seems to drop off, not sure if it’s because of his small hands or just the competition. I haven’t researched his QB ratings to verify this drop off as it’s just a gut feeling. Seattle has rain, I’ve lived there three times in my life, but Denver can get really cold/snowy.
This year will tell but with Denver’s defense I feel they are going to win a lot of games with Wilson

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JQ's picture

March 12, 2022 at 12:20 am

-Russell Wilson at 5' 11" has a 10.25" hand measurement. But despite XL hands he DOES have 87 fumbles in 158 games.

-I see a lot of seahawk games because I live in the PNW, and it's always fun to see them get beat. Wilson throws a really nice deep ball when he's not playing with a ruptured finger tendon.

-It will be interesting to see if he develops a favorite receiver in the mold of Tyler Lockett. He was easily the go-to WR for Wilson, and very much underrated in my opinion.

-As far as who 'got it right,' stay tuned, film at 11...

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murf7777's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:27 am

I would also like to add, if the choice was Keep Rodgers or trade him for Wilson straight up, I’d take Wilson all day long. Mainly, because of his age. Yes, Rodgers is the better QB, but not by much, they will both end up in the HOF someday.

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PeteK's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:02 am

Add in his running ability. He literally kept Seahawks in the game vs us in the playoffs a few years ago.

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YouAskedForThis's picture

March 11, 2022 at 01:55 pm

Agreed on Wilson.....and he did it while playing behind some very poor offensive lines.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:09 am

I believe the best QB in the NFL is Tom Brady. Than we can talk about Patrick Mahomes, than Joe Burrow, than...

They all achieved more than Aaron Rodgers in last 2 seasons.

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murf7777's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:45 am

Joe Burrow, looks like a great one early on, but IMO he is far from one of the bests at this point. One great year doesn’t do that for me. The real question is can he continue his last years success or will he fall into just above average. I don’t think there is a doubt he will be a long term starter in the league thou.

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Coldworld's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:37 am

5 years of exceptional play before the conversation should really start in my view. Burrow needs to be protected or he might not make it that far despite his potential.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:52 am

RC,
While I agree having a quality QB is important to be successful, however you have neglected one key element.

How much of the teams cap are you paying to retain that quality QB. That ultimately I'm my mind is the key. Can the team afford to surround the QB with quality pieces to allow the QB to succeed?

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PeteK's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:05 am

We'll find out in less than a week just how crazy that contract is.

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murf7777's picture

March 11, 2022 at 06:47 am

I’m going to say the Packers. That’s mainly because Seattle just gave up a HOF QB at the age of 33. Not sure why Wilson wanted to leave, but, If Wilson didn’t like Pete Carroll as a coach, Seattle should’ve sent him down the road and find a young offensive minded coach. The only way this makes sense for Seattle is if they can find “The Man” with their draft picks. The odds are long. You won’t win consistently without one.

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PeteK's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:08 am

FO didn't do what Pack does, build a strong O line, and he was getting his brains bashed in.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:13 pm

Pretty hard to have a good oline when an all-pro misses the entire season, another pro bowler misses 8 games plus playoffs, and their 2nd round pick center missed half the season too. Its not that they didnt build a strong oline. They just had crap luck. Nobody has pro bowlers just chillin on the bench waiting for someone to get hurt. But all of that is just an excuse anyways. Despite the injuries, the oline still played well enough to win. Rodgers did not, per his usual in the playoffs.

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stockholder's picture

March 11, 2022 at 06:50 am

The Seahawks got it right. But so did the Packers. Rodgers would have retired. Management never would have come close to those exchanges. The Win would have been getting out of Cap hell. Instead: Rodgers now gets to retire a packer. The packers can't reward everyone. They have to start chopping off heads. NEW Faces must replace the greedy ones.

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stockholder's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:01 am

* Want to piss him off. Just pick on his choice of women. His Family does. Behind every successful man, is a woman. Betty Grable had great Legs. Seems some are just too fast for him.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:55 am

Rodger's absolutely was not going to retire. If someone was allowed to believe Rodgers would retire they have never understood Rodgers and his goals/legacy, etc!

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stockholder's picture

March 11, 2022 at 10:12 am

Thats not what I've been reading in other articles.

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Coldworld's picture

March 11, 2022 at 10:22 am

If we have learned anything in the last year, it’s probably not to take media insights and interpretations on what Rodgers is doing or thinking at face value.

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Savage57's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:42 am

This may turn out to become a case study taught in NFL GM courses for a generation how to best assemble the most competitive team.

It just depends on how a gazillion unknown variables no one could possibly anticipate play out.

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murf7777's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:59 am

You’re right Savage, the problem with the learning experience is that every situation is a bit different and also comes with a gazillion unknown variables. As of right now, Manning, Stafford and Brady all show that the winner is the receiving team. Brady a bit different as I believe he was a FA and not a trade. That is why I give Denver an A+ and Seattle a D- for this trade. I also give Green Bay a high grade for not trading Rodgers for the same reason.

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PeteK's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:17 am

Apples to oranges, Denver was a solid/young team in need of a QB, while Seahawks are old and rebuilding. Good move for both. All will be forgiven if Pack (imagine, beats Denver) wins SB.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 11, 2022 at 10:51 am

Manning and Brady were both free agents. Only Stafford was a trade. Clearly, the Stafford trade was a success, but it probably was predicated on Jaquisti Tartt's inability to catch. One might suggest that if Redmond could catch, things might have turned out differently in 2020 for GB. Variables are such a bitch.

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murf7777's picture

March 11, 2022 at 04:11 pm

Thanks TGR....I stand corrected on the Manning non trade....darn memory!

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:14 pm

A tutorial about how not to run an NFL Franchise.

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packerbackerjim's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:45 am

Apples and oranges. Seattle was 4th in their own division with holes galore in their roster. GB, but for a couple of mistakes, was closer to a SB. The question if GB got it right will be answered if they win a SB or are in cap hell for years.

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MarkinMadison's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:02 am

I think the former is in doubt while the latter is a near certainty.

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dobber's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:03 am

So many say that they'd trade a SB now for several years of shitty play after. We'll see what those people are saying in 2025...especially if there's no SB now.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 11, 2022 at 11:21 am

And we might see what you write if GB wins a super bowl in the next two years. The thing is that the best team doesn't always win it. [If GB wins it, I fully expect you to be joyful at winning and fine with people bringing up your previous comments about trading AR. Mine are easy to find - just google my articles. There are some people who would rather be right than have GB win a Lombardi, but I don't think either of us is in that category.]

My own calculation is that GB has to win out in 2022. They might still have a chance in 2023 by keeping AR (I haven't crunched numbers for 2023 because I haven't yet seen AR's contract or how much Gute pushes dead money into 2023 and beyond).

I would trade a Lombardi Trophy for several years of shitty play. I am in that category. I enjoy roster construction and the draft, so I will be entertained and passionate about GB either way. I also like watching my team play good football, so there is that.

What we're really talking about (IMO) is the chance at a Lombardi versus trading AR. I think it is a one year chance. I think GB has a real chance in 2022, but not so much in 2023 (some great drafting and astute personnel decisions would be variables - can they find a Campbell and Douglas again?).

So, weighing a decent chance at a Lombardi in 2022 only versus getting a haul for trading AR and getting the cap under control tilted my opinion towards the trade scenario. If AR had agreed to $36.5M AAV, I'd be torn. I don't see how $50M AAV can work past 2022. Waiting to see the contract details.

Either way, I imagine you'll be here in 2025.

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dobber's picture

March 11, 2022 at 01:45 pm

"And we might see what you write if GB wins a super bowl in the next two years."

I have no problem admitting to being wrong! Crow is one of my most often consumed meals!

"Either way, I imagine you'll be here in 2025."

<<checks watch>> I don't have plans.

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Coldworld's picture

March 11, 2022 at 03:24 pm

It will be interesting what a lot of people are saying by the end of the year and after.

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Pizzadoc's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:48 pm

I love both you two, I hope you're both here in '22, I will be. Appreciate all the astute comments on this blog. Some smart people here.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 11, 2022 at 04:06 pm

I was convinced we were going to trade AR, so I came to terms with it, and was hoping for some great draft capital, but since he's coming back, and apparently DA will be back, I'm actually excited to see how Gutey and Ball maneuver through the Cap Mine Field and construct this team.

Free Agency, the Draft, and churn this year will be very interesting in deed. Just looking at the NFC, I expect we could see a couple worst to 1st with the NFC East and NFC South up for grabs this season. LA and AZ fighting it out in the West and us dominating the North once again. (I know the North won't lie down for us, but until they prove they can beat us, I will continue to think of us as the Kings in the North.)

GPG!

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:20 pm

Sorry man, but believing Rodgers can still lead this team to a super bowl is literally Einstein's definition of insanity.

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Razer's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:31 am

This is a clean path to the truth and consequences of the matter.

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PeteK's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:25 am

Sorry Jim, didn't read your post till after I posted. Amazing how identical the thoughts are. hahaha

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packerbackerjim's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:46 am

No problem. We’ve all been there; most of us anyway.

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mrtundra's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:50 am

I wonder if DK Metcalf will want to be traded, now that Wilson is gone, from the Seahawks. Has any other team faced the QB situation that the Packers faced with Rodgers and Favre? Just wondering why we are so special.

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MarkinMadison's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:00 am

Montana/Young is probably the only comparable I've seen in my lifetime to Farve/Rodgers.

DK is young, he has time for a new QB to emerge. Davante, not so much.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:03 am

9'ers sort of had the same situation with Young/Montana, but between the two they had 15 years of HOF QB play, where the Packers have had 30...

The Packers are special. We're also spoiled, but the 13 time World Champions should be. ; )

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PeteK's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:44 am

And alas the big Packer conundrum: 5 SB wins vs 2 in half the time. Garcia followed with two very good seasons. Put him on recent Niner teams and they could have had one more SB win maybe 2.

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MarkinMadison's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:53 am

The argument for keeping Rodgers hinges on the idea that he is the best QB, the best player, in the NFL. Let's talk about that one.

Rodgers didn't lead the NFL in touchdowns, yards or completion percentage. He led the league in passer rating. He did that by completing a high percentage of his passes and by throwing very few interceptions. This has been his MO throughout his career. Also, he racks up a lot of regular season wins.

Some will say that he does that by beating up on the crappy NFC North. I've called him the King of the North. And there is some truth to that, except that this year he also lead the Packers to victory over every team in the NFC West, which is no small feat. So give the man his props for the regular season.

But legacies are made in the playoffs. Tom Brady is the GOAT because he has the Super Bowl rings. Period. And we all know Rodgers' record in the playoffs has not been great. But wait, you say, his teams failed him. Special teams failed him in Seattle and again here in Lambeau this year. OK, let's go back to just Aaron Charles Rodgers via the individual QB rating. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career_playof...

Looking at QBR over their careers in the playoffs, Rodgers is #6 all-time, and #4 among active players. Active players he is looking up at are: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and Matt Ryan. Matt Stafford and Nick Foles are within 1.5 points of him. And I don't think this is just a stat thing. The Allen/Mahomes duel that we saw in the playoffs is probably the best game of offensive football you could watch from last season, with two QBs in their prime battling away. And sure, longevity may bend those guys down over time, but then explain away Ryan and Stafford. And ignore the fact that Allen will probably get better for a few more years.

So I'm just not sold on Rodgers as the best QB or player in the game right now. But he is probably going to set new records with his contract this year. And that is where the rubber hits the road to me. The Packers are paying top dollar for a guy who, without a doubt, is not the same player he was ten years ago, and who will likely show signs of further decline in the next four years. Which leaves them no extra draft capital and no extra $$$ capital to build a team around him. My expectation is that Rodgers will retire with one Super Bowl ring, and that the pundits will blame the Packers for failing to build a team around him. And to me, that will be a flawed analysis. Hopefully, time will prove me wrong.

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Razer's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:20 am

Well said. I agree

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joeblowinski's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:59 am

So far, AR's legacy is he chokes in the post season. I think the Packers just decided to not win a SB for the next four years.

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PeteK's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:54 am

You can pass around blame and stats do not hold up versus wins. While Rodgers had the ball with a chance to seal a win the past two seasons and failed. When given the ball, historic QBs get it done in that situation.

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Crankbait's picture

March 12, 2022 at 09:36 am

Ummm.....
Ted Thompson DID fail to build a championship team around Rodgers.

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NickPerry's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:06 am

For me it's ALWAYS been about the draft picks and players. BUT, we don't know what the offer was, probably never will. Noah Fant in the MLF offense would have been pretty cool. Same with Shelby Harris next to Clark. The #9 and #40 along with the Packers #28 and #60. WOW... 4 picks in a VERY deep draft. Obviously if Love sucks over the next few years instead of the last 6 quarters of football, then we have a problem. Hell, some are CERTAIN Love sucks already.

I don't think we can really answer that until we actually see what the "Team Friendly" contract looks like. Aaron Rodgers is back and because he's a Green Bay Packer I'm all in, but I still HAVE to SEE that contract.

With that said, and the rants all my friends here at CHTV had to endure from me since the end of the season, I will tell you I'll be the first to Rant about how WRONG I was about bringing Rodgers back if they win a SB or two in the next few years. I mean Football IS ABOUT winning, and Rodgers has ALWAYS given us out best chance at that.

Time will tell and in a few days we'll all know what exactly "Team Friendly" means to Rodgers. I'm also anxious to see what MLF can do with a decent ST coach. I'm not nearly as down on LaFleur as some of my fellow Packers friends here. I still think he's a good coach who's STILL learning.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:20 am

MxLF needs to grow balls, not to comply to every wish Aaron Rodgers has.

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Since&#039;61's picture

March 11, 2022 at 10:39 am

Croat - It’s possible that Murphy is instructing MLF how to deal with Rodgers. We cannot rule out the possibility that Murphy and/or Gute are “managing” the relationship with Rodgers.

Maybe Murphy hired MLF because MLF would be his “Yes” man. I’m not saying that it’s a fact but we can’t rule it out either.

Unless something has changed MLF reports directly to Murphy. In that case who knows what is actually discussed during those one on one meetings. Thanks, Since ‘61

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 11, 2022 at 11:02 am

MLF may be waiting on Murphy to get out of Dodge and onto a shuffleboard court? However; the evidence is pointing in a contrary direction when considering Rodgers tendencies in pressure games. LaFleur can see the Issues, but doesn't seem to have an authority handle on getting his guy to see the big picture and focus on correcting his weaknesses..

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croatpackfan's picture

March 11, 2022 at 02:43 pm

Since, I agree that there is lot of murky water who is responsible for what and who is dictate the tempo. But if you are HC, than you are HC. If any of your bosses ruining your authority you should told them so and if they are not care, you post resignation. You'll get new job quickly if you have qualities. If that is the case I bet they will not be able to find HC with self-respect. And than rumors starts and Murphy will be in problems. Serious problems.
But if this is not just Murphy, but MLF as well, than you have player who's mistakes covers his HC. It is not healthy surroundings for any player, not the mention the team.

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PeteK's picture

March 11, 2022 at 10:14 am

Couldn't have said it better Nick. It's done, no use complaining now. On to the draft and then root like hell. That is the most positive approach in my opinion. However, if this season starts to crumble, pain will pollute our brains. Unless injuries are the cause, which can't be controlled, and AR gives us an escape clause, which is like asking for good health care/pension from a billionaire owner.

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Bure9620's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:06 am

The Seahawks, they had to blow things up and rebuild. They will open a new window if they get things right by 2023.

The Paclers have the team they need to win the NFC North....again

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Fubared's picture

March 11, 2022 at 11:20 am

Ya the Lions will be a lot better, the Vikes arent going away and were about to lose some defensive talent besides. ya the Pack have lived off Rodgers and Adams but the defense hasnt gotten off the field in years and this year they may falter even more.
Everyone thinks, wow we got Rodgers Adams, cant lose but the Niners showed, yes you can

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Razer's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:14 am

I think that Ken sums it up with these sentences:

...Rodgers alone gives you a chance to win every game. But they have virtually no flexibility with their roster. They will struggle to bring back the other key players from last year’s team. At least a few starters will have to be cut or not re-signed just to get under the cap. Their highest draft pick isn’t until the 28th slot. There will be little or no money for the free agent market. They will be tight against the cap for the next two years at least....

We should win our share of regular season games and that will be good enough for most. Rodgers will pursue his records and we will live with his cryptic messaging. My gut tells me that this team peaked and there are no more gears left. Our eggs are in a 39 year QB and his one year WR rental's basket. I thought we already did the 'last dance'?

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murf7777's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:39 am

Razor…..just a correction, Aaron Rodgers is 38. He won’t be 39 till close to the end of the 2022 regular season.

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Coldworld's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:47 am

December 2nd. So, as we all seem confident that we will win the division and it’s the playoffs that matter, by the time he really has to earn his pay and justify the move he will be 39.

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Since&#039;61's picture

March 11, 2022 at 10:41 am

Razer - no one specifically stated how long the last dance would last. Thanks, Since ‘61

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 11, 2022 at 12:30 pm

"Until the fat lady sings..."

Or, if you hear Danny Don singing, "Turn out the lights, the party's over..." ; )

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 11, 2022 at 11:08 am

They have to hit on at least four picks. This draft is all on Gutedkunst & Co.

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Lphill's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:18 am

Stats , who needs stats , I just want to read about Rodgers haircuts, his romances and his spiritual well being.

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Razer's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:58 am

As Al said on Wednesday - "As the Packers Turn"

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Crankbait's picture

March 12, 2022 at 09:39 am

Aaaalll Myyyy Paaaackers.........(remember ? 😊)

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:23 am

Geezus....grow the f**k up.

After reading all these great comments...then I get to your childish nonsense.

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MarkinMadison's picture

March 11, 2022 at 10:26 pm

I don't know, I need a little humor now and then. It's not like we're working here or something.

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PeteK's picture

March 11, 2022 at 04:11 pm

Hahahaha, stats we don't need no stinkin stats, Rodgers must be a masochist because anyone over 50 knows those colonoscopy preps are terrible.

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SanLobo's picture

March 11, 2022 at 08:34 am

Who got it right will be answered in three or four years. On Good Morning Football today, one of the cohosts said we have eyes on the front of our heads so we can look ahead. We are where we are now.
I’m all about data analytics and historical reviews, but it is way, way to early to find a reasonable answer to this question.
What’s best for the team is based on the reality of where we are today, so I believe our focus right now is best placed on moving forward instead of looking backwards.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:01 am

Who got the better deal? IDK and I won't know until the 2022 season is on the books. The haul for Seattle raised my eyebrows and do we assume the Pack could have had the same deal? I expect so. That's a WOW! Gutey certainly knows the expected return and it shows how MUCH he wanted Rodgers back.

Nick Perry stated above gives you pause: "The #9 and #40 along with the Packers #28 and #60. WOW... 4 picks in a VERY deep draft. "

A deep draft that lines up with Packer needs like a hand in glove.

And 3 players who could contributes day one.

Oh well...it is done. Let's see what fiscal gymnastics Gutey and Ball do next.

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dobber's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:01 am

We can watch what happens in Seattle as a foil for GB, but the foundations of each team are fundamentally different. The Packers would have been much further along on the rebuild path than Seattle (key players at edge, CB, OL, RB in place), leading to different use of picks and personnel decisions. Everything diverges at this point.

I would agree with the argument that--unless the Packers are unbelievably lucky with their draft capital over the next couple years--the Packers have made the right choice only if they win an SB (or two?) in the next two seasons. That's a very narrow path to define success, but that's the route charted through this decision.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:18 am

Right on, Dobber.

My Western Movie metaphor: Gutey has chosen (or was directed) to lead the Packer Calvary through the narrow canyon were devastating ambushes (salary cap) may await.

He chose to gamble on the faster path rather than lead the Calvary on longer, safer path, around the canyon (draft picks and players, some rebuilding).

Hope he rides back to the fort (Lambeau Field) with a clear victory (SB).

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dobber's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:40 am

More metaphors, please!

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 11, 2022 at 03:37 pm

What happens if the open-air representation of the crucifixion of Jesus is in a box canyon?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:10 am

Here are my questions while not knowing the Rodgers and Adam's contracts yet:

1. If the Rodger's led Packers actually gets to a SB in the next 2 or 3 years is that worth a half dozen or more years of cap hell not being able to field a competitive team?
2. If the Rodger's led Packers win one SB but then unable to field a competitive team for the next half dozen years was that worth it to you?
3. If the Packers are able to win double digit wins for the next year or two without any/much success in the playoffs will you be okay with a half dozen years of not being competitive?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:16 am

Why hasn't Rodgers after all this time finalized terms of his contract and signed? Seems very odd to me!

Sadly, based on events this past year I have to believe Rodgers continues leveraging the Packers. Will he not sign until he strong arms the FO until Adam's is extended with terms he wants? Maybe until guys like MVS, Cobb, and Big Dog are signed?

I hate to even think like that and would prefer to be more optimistic but Rodgers behavior sadly has demonstrated enough that my mind automatically starts thinking manipulation once again. Can our front office be such fools continuously capitulating?

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PeteK's picture

March 11, 2022 at 10:30 am

At least one SB or bust.

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Swisch's picture

March 11, 2022 at 12:34 pm

If you're onto something, Knock, then this would be the one chance the Packers could still trade Rodgers.
In other words, if Rodgers is still being difficult, trade him.
It seems highly unlikely, but one can hope that at some point, Gute regains his dignity by refusing to bow before Rodgers any longer.
Call the Steelers, the Colts, and any other team . . . or just stand up to Rodgers to the point that he chooses to retire.
Just rid ourselves of the prima donna and free us from his domineering and detrimental grip on the Packers.
The weight of his massive ego is going to sink the Packers into most miserable depths.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 11, 2022 at 10:50 am

Maybe a discussion on the following and others thoughts. Rodger's no doubt very efficient at protecting the ball which Favre and Love (not yet anyway) are/were not. Everything starts in my mind with ball protection and not turning over the ball if you want to be successful on the field. No one does this better than Rodger's!

However, there were concerns I had last year and for those stat oriented individuals maybe you might want to do research to verify one way or another. My point is I saw quite a few things that showed me last year that Rodger's play is deteriorating, which is why I wanted a reboot and take Denver's offer (yes, there supposedly was an offer on the table). These were:

1. Even though Rodger's claims there is no need for pre-season and a lot of reps he almost never connected on deep balls at least the first half of the season. He could never hit MVS as they were either too short, wide, or too long. In 2020, Rodgers was spot on most of the year.
2. Rodger's doesn't like the middle of the field and seems to avoid and prefer the less risky sideline passes sometimes seemingly to the detriment of the offense.
3. Rodger's life ring is Adam's and Jones/Dillon and seems incapable of allowing himself to trust other WR's who are either open or breaking open to the detriment of the offense.
4. Rodger's is not the player he was escaping the pocket and making plays on the run. Almost any DL catches Rodger's once he is forced to scramble out of the pocket anymore.
5. Rodger's does not run as often or be as successful running as he used to in extending drives.

Besides the off field behaviors below are my concerns with a soon to be 39-year old next year vs having taken Denver's offer. Yes, I saw on the internet about 1 or 2 AM in the morning (has anyone else seen it) an article that Rodger's was Denver's first choice and they had made an offer to the Packers. Somewhere around a week or more prior to Rodger's announcement Denver allegedly received notice from someone on/involved with the Packers Rodgers was resigning with the Pack. If you think about it this makes total sense. Subsequently, they put together a back-up offer package for Russell with Seattle just in case Rodger's resigned with the Packers. Immediately after Rodger's announcement is why Denver than announced the Seattle trade. Honestly, I read this article late that evening but can no longer find it. Has anyone else seen this article? The premise someone with the Packers leaked the story to Denver a week or more in advance makes total sense as Hackett is very well liked by all whether players, coaches, or front office. It could even have been Rodger's telling Hackett be prepared as he is torn and there is a good chance he resigns.

Therefore, if the above is true one could surmise the Packers would have likely gotten at least what Seattle did for Russell....if not more if Rodger's was Denver's first choice as this article indicated. Based on everything I point out I struggle with all the posters making comments that 'Rodger's gives the Packers the best chance at a SB'. Best chance versus off loading Rodger's and absorbing all the talent they would have gotten in exchange combined with more cap space and flexibility to sign FA's? How does anyone know that to be true? With all the talent fleeced from Denver combined with the Packers draft picks and more cap flexibility with FA's how is anyone able to clearly state Rodger's gives the Packers a better opportunity? The ONLY better opportunity I can see to win a SB IMO with Rodgers vs with Love and the players obtained for the trade would be 2022. With Love gaining a full year of experience in 2022 combined with all the talent infusion and their development, and better FA pickups I wholeheartedly disagree where one can say Rodgers would give the team the best chance for SB's in 2023, 2024, and 2025. My position for anyone who says otherwise is bull-shit and this is of course all dependent on the story that Denver had a trade package on the table and Rodger's was their first choice over Russell.

Those who say Love motivated Rodger's play I agree! However, any motivation from Love was short term. External motivation works short-term and not for two MVP seasons. In 2017 & 2018 Rodger's play was very average at best in the NFL. What elevated Rodger's and the Packers success was Gutey & MLF. Gutey had cap space in 2019 and picked up FA's Amos, Turner, Zadarious, and Preston combined with some good draft picks and the development of some younger players. That is why the Packers saw significant improvement and why Rodger's won back to back MVP's. Moving forward with Rodger's and hoping for a SB appearance/win with less cap flexibility I do not see a good outcome. I hope I am wrong! Even if there is a SB in the next year or two it isn't worth it in my opinion if for a long period of years after the Packers are in cap hell and experiencing less than 8 victories a year. Just cannot revert back to the 70's and 80's.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 11, 2022 at 12:09 pm

2 SB appearances, 0 wins = keep AR.
1 Lombardi Trophy = keep AR
1 SB appearance, 0 wins = keep AR.

No SB appearances = trade AR.

It isn't really subject to argument.

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Coldworld's picture

March 11, 2022 at 12:47 pm

I Lombardi = justified. Anything else is cap poverty and a heavy rebuild for nothing. Winning it all is the only win for the FO.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 11, 2022 at 02:39 pm

Yes, disagreement is possible and just fine. And you can give your own perspective. But this is just my own personality.

My brother loves puns. I don't though sometimes they can be funny. Funny is involuntary: either you laugh or ya don't.

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Coldworld's picture

March 11, 2022 at 03:45 pm

You are entitled to your view, naturally. I really don’t see how you get to one that lenient, but such is the nature of different perspectives.

I predict that it will be ugly if the result isn’t a win this year. That’s a hell of a millstone to carry, but it’s one hell of a contract by the looks of it, never mind any picks/players that might have been available or the cap kicked forward as a result.

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MarkinMadison's picture

March 11, 2022 at 10:28 pm

1. No.
2. Yes.
3. No.

It probably won't take 1/2 dozen years to recover. I think it will be quicker than that, but I get your point.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:14 am

Thanks for a thought provoking article Ken, pointing out both sides... appreciated. It is long game vs short game and comes down to my personality more than anything. I try to always be present while enjoying the moments but always plan for the future (>5 years). So I lean towards that in my personal choices (investing/finances). Like poker, go chips all in our hedge your bets?

The NFC North is very interesting now. Da bears, Lions and Vikings seem to get a jump start on a rebuild while the Packers are all in. Will be fascinating to watch. I am all for personal growth and commend Rodgers on his personal journey...just makes me a little uneasy when the FO decided to go all in when it appears Rodgers isn't sure about his future or availability of his talents moving forward. That is mainly where my concerns land. Like many stated, we need to see the actual contract terms...

Rodgers is creative enough, he will find a way to get ticked to bring out the talents (he has at this time of his career). If not, it's up to the FO to give a reason for Rodgers to play with a burning desire. That is what I feel BG did. Maybe intentionally or not but the drafting of Love played a part in Rodgers to MVP seasons. For that alone, I applaud Brian for that and was a good pick. Now, if Love gets a chance of more playing time and proves he can run this offense in the future...even better.

Brian played the long game with the Love pick and the short game with the rolling out the green n gold carpet for Rodgers. Either way, the Pack got game.

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Coldworld's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:33 am

There are so many imponderables here. Seattle are presumably backing a HC that some feel is now behind the times at an age where a new start is interesting in itself. Did they pick the right horse and will they acquire a credible QB with all their new ammunition?

Denver have an inexperienced coaching staff and Wilson. Hackett will have to do more than LaFleur seems to have in his early years to win. Can Wilson recover his Mojo? Is he a player whom age will impact more early because of his play style? It’s a big bet on Wilson being rejuvenated with a rookie HC and OC.

The Packers are betting on a player who will have one more post season under 40. He’s older than Elway was when he retired. So far the marriage with LaFleur hasn’t produced when it counts. How will that change and how string and deep can the roster around him be made?

We tend to assume Rodgers can maintain his MVP play level, but that’s assuming he statistically outperforms even his career average and stays healthy as he approaches 40. It also assumes that he doesn’t lose mobility, which I think is possibly a gamble and does matter to him.

5 years ago we all agreed that Rodgers was being asked the impossible with a shallow roster with some glaring holes. Right now, before the draft and some significant cap machinations there are holes to be filled and questions about resources to fill them all. Behind that is depth. The amount of youth and inexperience on this roster may be similar to 5 years ago. Plenty of questions.

The only certainty I can see is that each of these franchises could be in for a rough ride if they get it wrong. While the Packers have a cap reckoning coming, unlike the others, if Wilson succeeds in Denver and Seattle doesn’t, that’s not going down well. Denver probably has a little more time: it’s not a one season proposition as obviously. If Seattle show progress they may be satisfied too, but a melt down could end my least favorite coach’s career easily.

For the Packers it’s surely only a Super Bowl will do territory. Our window is likely the shortest and, as a result I’d say the highest risk proposition. We aren’t in rebuild, we are paying Rodgers to win it all with the same off field leaders bar STs.

If we are not relying on luck then we need to do better from a coaching perspective pre and in game to prevent Rodgers being left in a hole. Can LaFleur do that? ST improvement to bare adequacy will help, but there was much more that we have done wrong over the last two years that can’t happen again if he is to have a real chance.

Can LaFleur finally learn and can Rodgers and he realize those lessons in tandem when it matters? That will require both to adjust somewhat. If we can’t then I think the outcome will be the same. Betting on Rodgers now is also a bet in LaFleur.

It may strike some who know I wanted Rodgers traded as a surprise, but I’m more confident in Rodgers holding up his end than I am in LaFleur. Ultimately, I actually believe that LaFleur’s errors put Rodgers in positions that simply asked too much.

LaFleur really struggles when teams can counter his system. I also don’t think that the Rodgers LaFleur dynamic actually has a positive effect when that happens, rather they reinforce negative decisions. Since LaFleur wasn’t going anywhere, Rodgers moving was the option I favored for that reason and the future cap implications of an encore last dance.

The Packers are the most exposed with the highest burden of expectations and the shortest window for success (at least as a franchise). Only time will tell which, if any, of these teams made a wise decision, but the Packers have the shortest window and will pay the highest future price. Sadly, that makes them the highest risk proposition in my opinion.

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DocHoliday's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:58 am

Did LeFleur tell Rodgers to throw an interception in double coverage to Adams when he two other WRs may have won the game? Lazard wide open 20+ yards across the middle. I forget the other WR who beat defender opposite half of field from Adams for what would have been winning TD (assuming Rodgers makes good pass and WR can catch the ball).

Coaches can't do anything once the ball is snapped. Players execute or they don't.

Starr and Brady understood championships are won by taking advantage of what the defense gives you as opposed to forcing it to "your guys".

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Coldworld's picture

March 11, 2022 at 10:44 am

Coaches are there to maximize the opportunities for, and the likelihood of, good decisions and to put their players in the best positions. Rodgers predilection for a Adams us a longstanding trait and was clear in that game. So yes, LaFleur bears some responsibility. If he doesn’t like the trait he’s there to do something about it. He never has, and that is a problem. It wasn’t one pass, a coach can’t prevent errors if judgment, but he should prevent serial poor proclivities.

I’ve been clear that I wanted to move on from Rodgers and think that what they can put around him is just not going to cut it in terms of results or the subsequent price. That said, Rodgers is good enough to win with the right roster and ours was close last year. So why did we not?

In large part due to LaFleur’s mistakes (Drayton denial, long snapper change, tolerating excessive reliance on one player, the OL changes, not trying Taylor after idiotically risking Dillon, risking MVS in Detroit maiming no deep threat, in game adjustments and so on) in my opinion. If we can’t fix the likes of those then Superman would have his work cut out for him.

What’s around Rodgers isn’t just the roster but how it’s used. Thus includes the coaching pre and in game. I don’t believe that Rodgers will have much hope of delivering even if our roster is of similar depth and starting quality as last year unless LaFleur is a great deal better. That’s why I believe the decision to bring him back is nonsense. Yet we have, but no one is focusing on the other key aspects centered on LaFleur.

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DocHoliday's picture

March 11, 2022 at 09:38 am

2022 will show if Rodgers truly plays his best when he is angry. Majority of NFL is saying he hasn't played well in the playoffs since the SB year.

8-10 since the SB year.
11-10 in playoffs.
5-4 playoff in Lambeau (can he play in the cold against good teams)? Is it a coincidence GB had to play on the road to get to the SB with Rodgers

If Rodgers plays best when angry, we will see another championship and Rodgers can retire a champion like Manning. (Hell a washed up angry Favre would have taken Vikings to SB, if not for head coach sending too many players on the field after timeout and took them out of FG range).

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 11, 2022 at 11:01 am

Doc,
Using your angry premise one would have thought in the 49's playoff game those last two offensive possessions Rodger's should have been more successful. However, I do not think angry is the right word to use. Certainly playing with motivation is and I no doubt Roger's was very motivated and wanting the victory as much as anyone. The Rodger's led team was not able to get it done. I don't care how much anger or motivation one has to win it still comes down to execution, talent, and will to get to the SB and win it. 2021, was the year to win the SB. Possibly 2020 as well but it did not happen. Depending on the outcome of re-signing our FA players maybe 2022 might finally be the year but after this year there is diminishing returns.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:07 pm

Rodgers had the best season of his career in 2020 just to spite his own team. And this is the guy they just kneeled to. Makes me want to puke.

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TarynsEyes's picture

March 11, 2022 at 10:28 am

The question can only be answered at the season's end with diminishing Return on Investment in the 3 seasons to come if completed.

Are the Packers in the SB or are they again watching from the couch?

Do not offer or accept excuses because the FO by retaining Rodgers at the cost to the team( players lost, salary cap abuse) speaks aloud that Rodgers will get it done.

I disagree completely with the FO and watching another, and more expensive attempt, fail again is the resounding answer being echoed as like the last 12 years with more emphasis on the recent 3.

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Since&#039;61's picture

March 11, 2022 at 10:52 am

The Packers possibly got it right for the short term, 2-3 seasons. Seattle possibly got it right for the mid-longer term assuming that they find a good to very good QB to lead their rebuilt team.

Bottom line is that there are too many variables for both teams to provide a definitive answer to the premise for this article. Both teams could succeed and both teams could fail. Does that mean both got it right or wrong? Time will tell. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Fubared's picture

March 11, 2022 at 11:24 am

Living here in Minny I'm biased having watched a very smart GM of the Vikings knowing when to unload someone who still has gas in the tank and you can get picks for. He did it briliantly.
Thus, I like what Seattle did here's why.
1. You unload a QB whose skill sets were diminishing and you save big bucks doing it.
2. You acquire great capitol in 2 first 2 seconds, 3 players.

3. You put yourself in position to acquire a QB who could be another Hebert. Comes in and lights it up from day one. Everyone has this impression it takes years to get a decent QB. KC, Texans, Cinn, San Diego proved that wrong,

Thus, I say Seattle won big time. Not to mention your getting a young bunch of talent who if skillful will make this team competitive for years to come. Two years from now the Packers have an old man who is probably retiring, an old receiver who lost a few steps, no capitol to rebuild at a time when rebuild is needed. In two years ti wont be pretty for the Packers.

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dobber's picture

March 11, 2022 at 01:53 pm

Very few GMs retire. Virutally all get fired. Spielman couldn't get it done, and his all-in moves still had the Vikings playing second fiddle to the Packers for all but a couple seasons. Brilliant doesn't work in his case.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

March 11, 2022 at 11:26 am

I've been around long enough to clearly remember the Cowboys trading Hershel Walker to the Vikings in 1989 and I hope the Seahawks don't turn out to be the Cowboys instead of us.

That trade in 1989 is often credited with creating the Cowboys dynasty in the 1990's. This is what the Cowboys got out of that trade and I fear we had an opportunity to do the same;

LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issiac Holt
RB Darrin Nelson (traded to SD)
DE Alex Stewart
Minnesota’s 1990 first, second and sixth round picks
Minnesota’s 1991 first and second round picks
Minnesota’s 1992 first, second and third round picks

The picks turned into players such as Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Kevin Smith, and Darren Woodson.

The NFL is a young man's game and I fear we may have passed up an opportunity to add a large group of high draft choices of young men who are generally a lot more talented than those who are taken at the end of each round in the draft.

I will add that if the Green Bay Packers come out of this upcoming season with a Lombardi Trophy, I will anoint our management team as my hero. If not...

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Pantz_Burp's picture

March 11, 2022 at 11:45 am

Very true. You reminded me of the pic of Mike Ditka and Ricky Williams "getting married" after the boat load of picks for Ricky.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

March 11, 2022 at 11:45 am

Very true. You reminded me of the pic of Mike Ditka and Ricky Williams "getting married" after the boat load of picks for Ricky.

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stockholder's picture

March 11, 2022 at 12:20 pm

Signing Rodgers is Already paying Dividends. Chicago traded Mack to Chargers. Yes- The bears will still suck. They just Don't understand it takes players to win. Not Draft picks.

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Coldworld's picture

March 11, 2022 at 12:51 pm

Smart move by the Bears. Essential to them moving forward.

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stockholder's picture

March 11, 2022 at 12:54 pm

No way! Chargers will be in the play-offs.

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dobber's picture

March 11, 2022 at 01:22 pm

Bears weren't going to be in the playoffs with or without Mack. They're an old and cap-constrained team that isn't good. It's a smart play.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 11, 2022 at 01:15 pm

SH,
Trade is unrelated to Rodgers. Chicago is going young and building around their young QB, Fields. Makes sense as they are watching what the Packers are doing and are going to want to dominate the Division for years after the Packers fall apart in cap hell and old players.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 11, 2022 at 01:21 pm

Seattle got 3 starting players.

SH, based on your premise than with no cap space moving forward the Packers are royally screwed. There will be no more players akin to Amos, Zadarious, Preston, Rasul, Williams, and Turner. Instead there are only going to be late draft choices.

So what is your argument?

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dobber's picture

March 11, 2022 at 01:23 pm

Those three players will kick-start their rebuild. I don't think Lock will be their starter. I think they'll locate a better QB yet this off-season. But this moves them in the right direction.

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Coldworld's picture

March 11, 2022 at 01:57 pm

They have plenty of trade ammunition

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stockholder's picture

March 11, 2022 at 01:41 pm

Trade Love. for a #2 Trade out of the first. For a #2 and 3. You'd get 3 top Defensive players and 2 wrs.

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mnbadger's picture

March 11, 2022 at 12:30 pm

I'll step forward to the challenge "Somebody needs to say something to tick him off."

Dammit ar12, get out of your yert, cleanse your brain and start practicing with your WR's, RB's and TE's during the offseason so you can "build trust" in them.

Right now, YOU don't deserve their trust. They're doing all they can to run open, block and catch the occasional pass you grace them with. Get off your high horse and be a team first player with the only goal to beat each and every opponent into submission, right through the Super Bowl.

Take a month to rest and do it again as long as you're under contract, ASSHOLE!

GPG! I hope that ticks him off!

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Swisch's picture

March 11, 2022 at 01:12 pm

Yes!!!
Tick him off until he leaves or until he changes his character. We can still trade him, after all, or at least prod him into retirement.
Tell Rodgers he's going to play in the preseason, for example, at least about a quarter per game
Tell him we're going to run the ball more often.
Tell him we're not going to extend Davante's contract past this season.
Tell him to be a better teammate, and that trust works both ways.
Tell him we'll meet him halfway, but the other half has to come from him -- otherwise, he can seek happiness elsewhere.
I'll still take a first-round draft pick and a top player for Rodgers, if that's the most we can get.
I'll still settle for Rodgers retiring someplace where we don't have to listen to him indulge his arrogance as a representative of the legendary Packers franchise that has been brought so utterly low by his ugly antics.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 11, 2022 at 01:18 pm

Mnbadger,
You made my day and made me laugh. Thx!

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Swisch's picture

March 11, 2022 at 02:07 pm

Oh, how I wish the Packers had done what the Seahawks did indeed do.
In effect, Aaron Rodgers, with supreme selfishness, held the Packers hostage for the second offseason in a row. Instead of deciding on whether to stay with the Packers within a week or so of his massive fail in the playoffs against the 49ers on January 22, he prolonged his self-absorbed and agonizing melodrama for all of February and into March.
In other words, after his huge disappointment on the field, he has continued to be an incredible jerk off the field.
Yet our wimpy general manager and head coach gave into him by handing over everything that he demanded.
It amazes me if some Packers fans actually like this "complete capitulation," as Ken put it above. I think Jersey Al compared it yesterday to selling one's soul.
It's truly pathetic to pander with such abasement to such a manipulative jerk, and horribly embarrassing to anyone who cares about the integrity of the Packers.
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It's going to be truly sad if we can't sign the likes of Campbell and Douglas as a result of the greed of Rodgers.
To think we can regularly sign guys of such good performance at such a low salary seems foolhardy.
We were so fortunate to get these guys, and now we have to let them go. They won't be easy to replace.
We've given up the future health of the Packers as a team for present pragmatism, and it's most likely that the present will be continue to be heartbreaking even on those terms.
It's a catastrophe of character, and a pending disaster on the field sooner or later.
How truly sad to see a team I love sink so low!

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:05 pm

So this is how liberty dies? With thunderous applause.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

March 11, 2022 at 03:23 pm

Aaron Rodgers: "I think we can all understand that Green Bay isn't a huge vacation destination. People are coming here to play with me, play with our team and knowing they can win a championship here..."

The Packers are officially on the clock...

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duferr's picture

March 11, 2022 at 06:11 pm

Ken if you want to fire up Mr. Rodgers remind him that even Trent Dilfer won one Super Bowl. That ought to light a fire under his tail. Lol

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:03 pm

Ask him abouf Kevin Lanflisi. Last time he got questions about it, he won a super bowl.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 11, 2022 at 06:28 pm

Utilizing cost–benefit analysis - Seattle absolutely got it right. Conversely, the Packers did not.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 11, 2022 at 07:02 pm

Seahawks, without question. Crowning Rodgers the God-Emporer of Green Bay will be the move that lives on in infamy for generations to come.

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crayzpackfan's picture

March 12, 2022 at 02:16 pm

Though this is a very interesting question/case study, the variables are too vast to truly quantify sound results. The main reason is you have two different teams, with unique needs, and most importantly a front office that would not draft or trade the same had GB gotten and taken the exact same deal.

However, that certainly doesn’t alter my curiosity in this question. I would actually like to add Denver to this fantastical “case study” as well. Though they are not an integral part of this “side by side” glance at the what if scenario, we should still consider the data had Denver obtained Rodgers instead of Wilson once hindsight introduces itself. What attracts me the most to this subject are the conversations I have read up to this point.

What’s done is done.

You fine folks posting in this debate have steered my interest more towards the question of what GB needs to accomplish over the next couple of years to justify NOT getting this exact trade (if in fact it would’ve been identical). I’m one that wanted a trade for many reasons. However, if I’m being completely honest here, after reading through so many insightful posts above mine, I am very open minded as to how our fanbase eventually reaches a majority on what genuinely does answer this question.

Do we judge this purely on results and statistical data without bias, or do we also incorporate emotional liberties while finally deciding? After all, we are fans. Fans are predisposed to the emotional condition. Do we also need to consider what, if any, long term cost (cap, rebuilding) may result whether we win a Super Bowl immediately or not? See Also: TGR.

All of this is interesting to me. Us fans have never really experienced such a very real hypothetical like this before. Thank you everyone. I enjoyed reading it all. Have a great rest of the weekend. I’m going to smoke ribs tomorrow and sip on some Woodford Reserve.

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