Rex, you asked valid questions in your article.

If we will go to the history of the franchizes that decided to go all in for several years, Rams were the only franchize that was able to win SB after prolonged period of trading future for immediate success. Tampa gfBay had already quality roster, so their "all in" was short term, they won SB title, but after just 2 seasons they are already in cap hell. Who knows how many years they will throw through window until they will be contender once again.

Packers already doing that "last dance" atempts for 3 seasons and it looks like they are alreabdy out of contention for SB, no matter ACR will be back or not.

In contrary to Saints I would say that Packers need to stop this madness and start to look to future, step by step improving roster to win SB without pushing them to the cap hell. "All In" type of building the roster is short term success and long term pain. That is stupid.

Thank you!

On a somewhat related note, I've never been a fan of Joe Namath... until today.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/joe-namath-says-aaron-rodgers-can-wea...

Go get 'em, Joe!

We're all-in at a few positions: LT, LG, NT, CB1 and last but most certaninly NOT least is qb1. The rest of the roster I'm guessing is middle of the road mix of rookie contracts, fairly cheap veterans and a couple of bad contracts. I'm looking at you DL94.
Super bowls are usually won by teams with inexpensive QB's.
That is the place we need to make changes. Making that trade with any amount of draft picks in return would instantly move us from top left of the chart to the top right. That's where we want to be every offseason.
Three of the teams in that quadrant were in the playoffs this year, which is even better.
What a dreamer I am?
GPG!

Bowing to the whims and wishes of A.R. does not make this team better. It only makes them older. A.R.'s annual refusal to work with young WR and missing mini-camps until mandatory training camp says he wants the dough, but doesn't want to mix the ingredients. Guter & LaFloozy have to get him some weapons too after letting Lewis, Cobb, & Lazard go. And then there's Joe Poisonberry. Pack should squash him now and get Leonard in the DC fold. Those are some of the stop signs I see as the Pack are at the crossroad!

I have defended this front office often over the the years but I simply do not understand this plan. When Love was drafted, I said he WILL be the starter at some point, I predicted 2 years at the time. Well, after 2 they threw a ridiculous amount of money at Rodgers and here we are. Let's be clear, Aaron Rodgers is not a $50 Million QB anymore. It is time to blow it up. But we are now headed to having a diva overpaid, past his prime QB making $50 million while a first round draft pick rides the bench and we go "All-in" after an 8-9 "All-in" season. There is a chance Gute has really effed this up.

Honestly I would trade Rodgers, even if for only 1 first round pick....What team will take on that contract for a nearly 40 year old QB now?? They made him essentially untradeable. WTF.

Don’t know how many more ways to say it. Unless Rodgers is gone, this team is not going to the SB.

Not sure if the trend of winning Super Bowls with a cheap QB is accurate. Glancing at the last 10 winners, Baltimore (Flacco), Seattle (Wilson), Philly (Foles), and KC (Mahomes), won when the contracts were considered cheap. However, I would totally support trading Rodgers for picks and cap relief and keeping most of band in Green Bay. I love Lewis, but let's face it, he's not getting any younger. I would think if GB would commit to Love, the team would rally around him. The young WR's would probably build a better rapport with Love, than they ever will with Rodgers.

Well put, Rex.

No matter what this team does in 2023, whether we cut/trade the veterans or restructure everyone Willy Nilly and go all in for one more year, we won’t be serious super bowl contenders.

Not only is it unlikely that we could even retain all of our currently 8-9 roster next year, even if we did manage to do so, how is it rational to suddenly expect to return to being a 13 win super bowl contending team without making any serious improvements? We don’t have the cap space to do so.

It makes no sense to go all-in next year just to be a borderline playoff team. In order to contend again, this team needs a salary cap reset. It is time for us to cut and trade the old expensive veterans - Rodgers, Jones, Bakhtiari, P. Smith - we need to even out our salary cap and manage it responsibly. There is still time to get out of the future ditch that this franchise is careening headfirst in to. Going all-in one more year would make that ditch substantially worse.

By future ditch, what do I mean? Rex brought up the example of the Saints, and I think that is very good. This is an example of a team that was once an NFC heavyweight, who, after one mediocre year, should have rebuilt (they went 9-8 in 2021). Because they went all-in just to be a borderline playoff team, they kicked the salary cap can further down the road. Now, all the restructures and procrastination has caught up to them - they are a bad team with little draft capital that cannot cut any of its older players - they have to restructure and extend them to get under the cap on 2023. Because of bad decisions in 2022, they will now be a bottom feeder team for years to come.

This is what I don’t want to happen to the Packers. Going all in to be mediocre is a terrible idea, because of the future ramifications it has - we will be terrible bottom feeders, like the Lions and Browns were for so many years, for years to come if we do this.

There is still time though. I think it is a no brained to rebuild because it will give us lots of future cap space that we can use to build a contending team (not to mention we have an ascending young cheap QB with lots of upside in Jordan Love). That way, by choosing to rebuild for 2023, we will set ourselves up for success and flexibility for years to come, instead of being irresponsible, going all in to be mediocre in 2023, and establish ourselves to suck for years to come.

Now, this isn’t to say I am against going all in. I think that, as (Kenny) Rogers says in the Gambler, you have to know when to hold ‘em and know when to fold ‘em. If we had a legitimate shot to win the SB, I would support going all in. In the off-seasons following the 2019 and 2020 seasons, I wanted the FO to go all in. I’m not sure they maximized all of their opportunities to do so, which I didn’t like. Heck, even for the 2022 season I didn’t have a problem with going all in because I, and many others, though the Packers would have a shot at winning the Super Bowl.

However, now that this team has been exposed, i believe it is time for a rebuild. As I have stated, this team, no matter what, will not have a legitimate shot to win the SB in 2023. I think it is time to fold ‘em and start an new chapter of Packers football.

The Packers must be responsible and keep the future in mind, and not be irresponsible.

Those charts are nice, thanks. The Packers are the deepest in cap hell along with the Panthers (!) but not as deep as I thought. I was so proud of the front office a couple years ago when it was revealed that they were not committing too much money to Aaron Rodgers and were not letting him have input into personnel decisions...and then it all went out the window. Trade him now please, while you still have a chance to maintain a shred of self-respect. This past season has convinced me that the miscalculation on Rodgers is a fireable offense for Murphy and/or Gutekunst, depending on which one of them cooked up this scheme.

the cap is smoke and mirrors there's always a way to get things done teams supposedly in cap hell always seem to sign some big free agent regardless.

On an unrelated note, I just watched some of Darnell Savage’s college tape - this dude has such a high ceiling! We have seen what he can be in 2020. It is almost criminal of Barry to coach him this badly. If we get better coaches then I could see him rediscovering his 2020 form and becoming a star again. However, thanks to MLF, we are stuck with one more year of Barry. Thanks a lot!

Jim Leonhard used to be a Safety in the NFL. If we get him as our DC, then that would provide excellent tutelage for Savage, and he could get a lot better. Hopefully he takes a year off of coaching this year and we can land him as our new DC next year (under a new HC as well!!!)

Here we are...not at the corner of Healthy and Happy, I can tell you that. More like, at the corner of Watdafukwedoin and Detsrdue.

Say bye to #12. If it helps, buy him a share of Packer stock. I have been practicing my hand signal to #12. It's almost like a parade queen wave from on top of a 67 baby blue Continental.

The pivot point for the Packers was the drafting of Love. If they had a plan in place, Rodgers blew it up by getting back-to-back MVP's, and winning 26 regular season games in two years. But he failed to put them over the top in the playoffs. Both times at Lambeau; both times with a first round bye. When Denver wanted Rodgers, the team should have taken the offer of multiple draft picks, and possibly multiple players, and made Love the starter. Then, build the team around him while he was under his rookie contract. Instead, the team effectively gave control over Rodgers future to him, mortgaging the team's future and hoping to get at least one SB out of it. Instead, it looks very much like the gamble came up snake eyes. Personally, I expect them to double down, and, quite possibly, make the even worse mistake of trading Love.

Let's live in Denial. And go all in one more year.
So Bahk And Jones re-work their contracts.
The OL goes with what they have.
Rodgers comes back. He's the leader.
And we get as many of his friends back as we can.
Whats wrong with giving everyone one last fling?
Everyone on the team thinks were only 2 players short.
With Rodgers wanting his friends back.
It's obvious he thinks it's Defense.
So draft what doesn't stay.
1. We won't draft a TE for the future, unless Tonyan Leaves.
2. Lazard may leave, but Rodgers will get the WRs guys going.
The defense gets back Stokes and Gary at some point.
Don't trade anyone.
Draft 1. BPA 2. WR, 3. DT 4. S

There is a HUGE PROBLEM Joe Barry is still the D.C.

The Packers were definitely not "all-in" for 2022. Yes, Adams didn't want to play for the Packers anymore, but they still traded him. So, I can't see how trading away the best offensive player is consistent with an "all in" mentality, setting aside that they had no choice.

"Alternatively, they could trade Rodgers and start a slight rebuild, giving the keys to Jordan Love to see whether he has what it takes to be a quality (and certainly above that) starting quarterback in the NFL and, at the same time, position themselves to get back on the right track in terms of the cap"

The rebuild began last year when they released Zadarious Smith, traded Adams, and drafted new receivers. The "rebuild" doesn't depend on whether or not Rodgers plays in 2023 or beyond. Even if the Packers traded Rodgers this off season, it barely changes what they'll do in the draft and free agency. The Packers won't have the cap space with or without Rodgers to sign free agents and they'll have even less if they trade him. So, what they'll do is focus on the draft and maybe sign some undrafted guys here and there. But that's actually what the Packers have done most years since the beginning of free agency anyways. And that's what most teams do. Every team relies on the draft. The only question is how long it will take for the Packers to fill in the gaps.

The receivers drafted last year showed a lot of promise, much more so than the group drafted in 2018. Overall, the Packers aren't in that bad of shape regardless of the Jordan Love situation. They have promising receivers, an okay offensive line, and a promising QB situation with either Rodgers returning or Love getting his shot.

The defense still has solid players with Alexander, Douglas, Gary, and Clark. But the defense still ranked in the bottom half. So there is a lot of room for improvement. I also saw a statistic that the Packers special teams improved from last to 22nd overall. But the sad news is that Bisacia is interviewing with the Colts for head coach so the Packers might already lose him.

The Packers will likely need to emphasize running back, tight end, and safety or at least one of those positions this off season.

Since this team still has several position needs, I don't think a rebound to Superbowl contender is likely for 2023. But even with how poor the 2022 iteration of the Packers were, they still had a playoff shot, even though they wou'dve never made a real push. But just mentioning that the team isn't as doomed as some people make it seem.

They do have some risk though with how they're managing Love. I could see some potential burned bridges if Love has to sit "forever." He's already sat three years which never happens in the modern NFL and barely ever happened at any time that I can think of. It's possible he might not even want to play for the Packers anymore if he sits for 4 years. He will be a free agent at some point and doesn't have to re-sign. So I don't think anyone should assume that the Packers can rollout Love whenever they feel like it.

This is an easy fix for the Packers. Just arrange for the league to have 28 teams make the playoffs. Even with our current coaching staff I think that the Packers can stay out of the bottom four teams in the league.

If this doesn't happen I doubt that the geniuses who created the current mess can get us out of it. Thanks, Since '61

I'm worried that the sledding hill and TitleTown area's will go kaput if they go broke..

The Packers are a.corporation. The primary duties of corporate officers is to guide the business to long term success. They had a golden opportunity to do so after the 2021 season. Several other teams would overbid for GB's main asset- Aaron Rodgers. Sadly, management made the wrong decision, and chose short term success over long term success. Now, Seattle will reap the benefits of Denver's desperate trade for an established QB, and the Pack is doomed to a bleak future in Salary Cap hell. Meanwhile, Detroit and Seattle load up on young talent acquired from suckers. I don't know if this fiasco was engineered by Murphy, Gutekunst of LeFluer, but whoever decided to pass on trading Rodgers should be run out of Green Bay on a rail.

Going all in and not making the playoffs, and finishing with a losing record as well as cap problems is a high indictment on the front office and coaching staff .

Adam Schefter reported on Saturday morning that the Green Bay Packers trading away quarterback Aaron Rodgers is a “real possibility” and both the team and player understand the relationship could be coming to an end via trade this offseason.

Who believes in that claim?

They were at a crossroads last year and made their bed…a little late for hand wringing now 🤪

I think we will be lucky to be 8-9 in 2023. Hopefully it will be the last season for Murphy, Gutekunst and MLF.