The Packers Have A Luke Musgrave Problem

The Packers must solve their Luke Musgrave problem before it cost them. 

The Packers have a big problem at the top of their tight end depth chart. I know that isn’t breaking news for anybody. When Tucker Kraft was lost for the season three weeks ago against the Panthers with a torn ACL, I think we were all under the impression that we were in for some tough sledding when it came to his replacements on the roster. Kraft is a budding superstar not only at the tight end position, but in the NFL in general. The YAC king brought so much to this offense outside of just catching the ball that it truly can’t be understated. After two games without him, I think our expectations should be lowered even further.

The week after Kraft was lost for the season, I wrote an article highlighting the Packers’ new depth chart at the tight end position going forward. Luke Musgrave was now assuming TE1, with John FitzPatrick the new backup, Josh Whyle getting promoted to the active roster from the practice squad, and two new additions replacing him on the practice squad for additional depth. I think if we’re being fair, FitzPatrick and Whyle have done a serviceable job in their newfound roles on this team. 

While FitzPatrick doesn’t bring as much to the passing game as you’d like from a tight end—he only has six catches this season for 29 yards and had a drop this past game that was technically negated by a holding penalty—he is the best blocking tight end the team has now, and regardless of his lack of pass-catching ability, he’s going to be called upon to block. He had the most snaps of all tight ends on Sunday against the Giants with 35. The hope is that with some more time, Matt LaFleur can figure out a way to get him more opportunities and maybe unlock something in him. At 6'7" and 262 pounds, he could be a great red-zone target, and if there is a way to scheme him open, LaFleur should be able to figure that out.

The newest member of the unit, Josh Whyle, has made a few impact plays since joining the active roster two weeks ago. In his first game against the Eagles, he paved the way on an explosive run by Josh Jacobs while lined up in the backfield as a fullback. Against the Giants, he caught his lone target for two yards and a touchdown when he was wide open on a nicely designed play by LaFleur. He brings a much better pass-catching pedigree than FitzPatrick, having hauled in 37 catches for 342 yards and two touchdowns with the Titans the last few seasons. He has seen a large increase in snaps on offense in his short stint. Against the Eagles he was on the field for only six snaps (8.8%). On Sunday against the Giants, he was up to 20 snaps (36.4%). They’re using him as a traditional TE, putting him inline as well as lining him up in the backfield in I-formation to clear a path for a back. A short sample size indeed, but nothing so far that would warrant a smaller role.

That brings us to Luke Musgrave. Perhaps the most frustrating Green Bay Packer of the last decade. Dripping with all the size, speed, and potential one could ask for in a player, he just cannot seem to put it all together. After a strong start to his career, Musgrave has flamed out quickly as a second-round pick. Equal parts battling injuries and flat-out ineffectiveness, Musgrave went from the clear starter post-Kraft to, two games in, getting out-snapped by a player picked up mid-season 2024 off waivers and a practice-squad tight end promoted out of necessity. When he was given a chance with two balls thrown his way against the Giants, he produced one catch for –1 yard while fumbling the ball out of bounds. His second reception, while credited as an incompletion, probably should have been ruled a catch and fumble. If you’re keeping score at home, that would be two catches, –1 yard, and two fumbles. His PFF grade was a ripe 28.4, making him the lowest-rated player on the entire team, and that’s one of the lowest grades any Packer has received all season.

Most people would look at that stat line and grade and come to the conclusion that the player shouldn’t be on the field much at all. Unfortunately for Packers fans, the one person whose job it is to determine that is not one of those people and believes he should be on the field more. After the game, when asked about Musgrave receiving only two snaps in the second half, LaFleur responded by saying he needs more of a role.

“He absolutely needs to play more than whatever snaps he played in the second half,” LaFleur said on Monday. “We’ll make sure that happens.”

I cannot for the life of me think why he would come to that conclusion. Musgrave just does not seem to have a role in the type of offense that Green Bay wants to run. He’s a much worse blocker than John FitzPatrick at this point. He doesn’t have the capability to line up in the backfield and play the de-facto fullback role that Whyle now occupies. He doesn’t play special teams (only four snaps in six games). The one thing he is supposed to be good at—catching the ball and providing a threat down the seam—he isn’t even doing. He has just 20 catches for 155 yards over his last 17 games, and his last touchdown came all the way back in the 2023 season. If he wasn’t a former second-round pick of this current regime, my guess is he wouldn’t be seeing the field at all.

After the Kraft injury, the Packers find themselves in a very unfavorable position. Their hand is forced due to a lack of options into playing a player who simply shouldn’t be out there. Matt LaFleur needs to coach the team he has and not the team he wishes he had. The team he wishes he had features the version of Luke Musgrave they envisioned when they drafted him—the field-stretching matchup nightmare for linebackers and defensive backs alike. The team he actually has features the Luke Musgrave who can’t block, can’t catch, and when he does catch, he either fumbles or falls down immediately. Packers fans can see that. Hopefully Matt LaFleur can see it too, before it costs them a game.

-Dan Saia

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Leatherhead's picture

November 20, 2025 at 02:33 pm

Here's the deal: He's on a cheap rookie contract. He's never been touted for his blocking, but he was supposed to be a receiver. He's on the team for the rest of the year, he won't get many targets. After the season, for next year, we could keep him for $2.5M or we could eat the $800K and part ways.

Remember, every guy we release is a guy that has to be replaced, and we're already missing a first round pick next year.

For as long as I remember, the Packer preference for TEs is guys who can get their man blocked and catch a pass or two . There have been some brief exceptions, but that's how the Packers roll. Ed West. Bubba. Donald Lee. Kraft. Maybe Whyle plays the most because he gets his man blocked the most.

It's hard for me to see the Packers picking a TE before Day 3, if at all. Unless we can somehow acquire some more picks. Next year, it'll be Kraft, Musgrave, Whyle, Fitzsimmons........pretty much the same bunch.

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barutanseijin's picture

November 20, 2025 at 02:51 pm

Is he better than Tonyan? Tonyan played well for the Packers — way better than Musgrave — and did not cost a draft pick. Super Bowl champion Tom Crabtree was also a UDFA and also a better tight end than Musgrave. The point is that is a source of superior-to-Musgrave talent beyond the draft.

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stockholder's picture

November 20, 2025 at 07:20 pm

KC has Tonyan.
The only TE Gute ever was right about--
was Kraft.
And that had to be a
Lucky mistake.

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andrewdudleyshannon's picture

November 20, 2025 at 02:43 pm

Typo?

"The Packers must solve their Luke Musgrave problem before it cost them."

It should be: "The Packers must solve their Luke Musgrave problem before it costs them."

Featured article on the front-page, might wanna do a quick edit on there Dan.

Cheers! GPG!

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Packers0808's picture

November 20, 2025 at 04:59 pm

Actually either one is correct depending on tense.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 20, 2025 at 05:12 pm

Only one tense is possible, and this is in fact incorrect as written.

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Packers0808's picture

November 21, 2025 at 07:14 am

You are wrong, the way it is used in the comment it covers both before and after and if you know how to read and understand what is being said.

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MitchAnthony's picture

November 21, 2025 at 01:04 pm

Were you the kid back in Junior High that had the temerity to remind the teacher that she forgot to assign homework for the weekend, or that she promised a quiz?

;)

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Packers0808's picture

November 21, 2025 at 05:07 pm

No but I do have a minor in English for teaching it. Any other questions?

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crayzpackfan's picture

November 20, 2025 at 02:50 pm

"Musgrave just does not seem to have a role in the type of offense that Green Bay wants to run."

Then why would Gute draft someone that doesn't fit the type of offense we run? Does he and the HC communicate this stuff?

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barutanseijin's picture

November 20, 2025 at 03:06 pm

Unnecessary verbiage clouds the picture here. Rather than blathering about Musgrave’s role, it’s better to just say he sucks. Gutekunst was doing his thing chasing hidden gems by looking at RAS and ignoring other stuff and came up with a dud.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 20, 2025 at 05:16 pm

#88 is a big bodied WR, not a real TE. This was known before he was drafted. I doubt he's a better receiver than the rest of the roster, so no reason to play him right now. An O lineman will usually block better on the line than a TE anyway.

I also doubt MLF will learn any of this before the season ends, but we'll see ...

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Bitternotsour's picture

November 21, 2025 at 11:40 am

I think the GM viewed him as a threat down the seams, and the HC just isn't calling those plays. I'd hoped there would be a 12 package and that the strengths of both Kraft and Musgrave would be exploited by the offense, but that lacerated kidney destroyed my dream.

Think about that injury. Lacerated kidney. Pissing blood for weeks. It makes my stomach churn.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 21, 2025 at 12:49 pm

If a guy, as with Musgrave, is capable of running only three-four routes, defenses in the NFL will take them away.

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Bitternotsour's picture

November 21, 2025 at 03:11 pm

How many routes come off of route trees. It's all 3 or 4 routes and the formations are key to make them work and look different. This isn't Madden.

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Leatherhead's picture

November 21, 2025 at 11:20 am

Think. Our TE situation was that Tonyan was a FA, and Lewis was 130 years old and didn't offer much in the passing game. So went went into the draft with some extra Day 2 picks, and we drafted TWO TEs.

Musgrave was the more highly regarded player going into the draft, and we took him in the second round, and then Kraft in the 3rd. This FIXED the TE spot......when Musgrave got injured, Kraft stepped in....for 2 1/2 years. We've been able to line up a capable TE.

Yes, Musgrave has been a disappointment, but Kraft has been a pleasant surprise. Instead of putting all the eggs in one basket we did it this way, and it's worked out pretty well for us.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

November 20, 2025 at 03:13 pm

So there should be little surprise with Musgrave's professional career to date. In college he was injury prone - with limited production. He was often mentioned with high bust potential. In a way his professional career has mirrored his college career. In short - Musgrave has always been a problem - of one type or another.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 20, 2025 at 03:18 pm

At best, a third round grade. They were very lucky Kraft fell in the draft.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

November 20, 2025 at 03:36 pm

Why Gutekunst loves as many draft picks as possible. To mitigate the misses with hits.

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TKWorldWide's picture

November 20, 2025 at 06:40 pm

But also true of most GMs.

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 21, 2025 at 09:16 am

I don't know of many successful GMs of Personnel who hate draft picks and views them as unnecessary to build a roster.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 21, 2025 at 12:55 pm

Not in this case, beside he gets paid big money to make intelligent evaluations. The Film doesn't lie, Kraft was head and shoulders above any other tightend in the draft. A whiff with a high pick creates holes in the depth chart. The tossing darts at the wall methodology doesn't work in finance either.

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Packerlifer's picture

November 20, 2025 at 03:41 pm

From hindsight: The Packers could've had Dalton Kincaid or Sam Laporta in the first round (instead of Van Ness) or, since they took two tight ends in the second anyway, grabbed Darnell Washington (now with Steelers) or Luke Schoonover (selected by Dallas) and still picked up Kraft.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 20, 2025 at 05:17 pm

I was hoping for Washington. Steelers use him as a 7th O lineman and nobody's figured out how to beat that.

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TKWorldWide's picture

November 20, 2025 at 06:41 pm

I was hoping for Washington too, but I guess he has some kinda degenerative knee condition? And at his increasing size, that’s gotta bode badly.

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 21, 2025 at 09:28 am

Yeah. Hindsight is perfect vision. Although I was not high on the Van Ness selection either.

I was also proven 100% correct that the Packers should have selected Barry Sanders over Tony Mandarich...I made that bold declaration in 1992 after Wolf cut the toothless Tiger.

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Packerlifer's picture

November 21, 2025 at 09:21 am

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splitpea1's picture

November 20, 2025 at 03:48 pm

He was on the top of my "Do not draft" list for that year due to limited experience and lack of blocking skills. But because of the athleticism and dire need at the position, you knew there was a good chance Gute would be eyeing him.

Musgrave can catch, but contact has been his enemy--hardly what you would expect from a TE. Keeping his balance after the catch has also been a problem at times. Most of the times he has provided value have been short third down conversions (always welcome) or on defensive breakdowns where he's been wide, wide open down the field, which is something that obviously can't be counted on.

I don't know, I guess MLF (who, like any coach, doesn't always speak the truth to the media) will have to pick his situations to use Musgrave. Right now Whyle and Fitzpatrick and the better options, which is kind of sad considering they are practice squad guys ahead of a second-round pick.

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Mister Chievous's picture

November 20, 2025 at 07:31 pm

I don't think i've ever seen Musgrave break a tackle

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 21, 2025 at 01:03 pm

Whyle will get his chance to make his mark down the road. He was a great receiving threat and agile. Not big bruiser, Inline guy, but he showed his ability to be the Lead Dog on the pitch play and cleared a pathway.
I was not in favor of trying to play games with Ben Sims on and off the P.Squad. He knew the system and was a
receiving TE for Baylor. Most college offenses do not train TEs to block. You have to scout Pro Style offenses
like the Badgers used to run and which South Dakota State employed with Kraft. It is not rocket science.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 20, 2025 at 05:19 pm

MLF has to solve his O line problem, we don't have a TE who can block so unless he uses 6 O linemen we're toast.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 21, 2025 at 01:08 pm

Go Four wide and let Love cook vs The Purple. Smith is more of a in the box safety nowadays. Metellus cannot keep up with Watson.

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TKWorldWide's picture

November 20, 2025 at 06:38 pm

Hard to understand why a guy his size can’t be at least a decent blocker.
And where have his receiving skills gone?
Ugh!

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Coldworld's picture

November 20, 2025 at 06:47 pm

He’s high cut, which doesn’t help. So is Fitzpatrick. The best blockers get leverage.

It’s worth remembering that, split between the slot and inline, but mostly running the seam or angled to the outside, Musgrave had the 3rd most yards ever by a rookie Packers TE. Only 15 less than Bubba Franks record over an additional 5 games. Kraft bettered him 3 yards on 6 less targets, but Kraft got much more after the catch. Musgrave got deeper at the catch. He was the guy whose TD sealed the playoff victory against Dallas (3 catches for 52 yards in total.

We have seen nothing like that from Musgrave since (and that was after his laceration). However we e never seen Musgrave used like that since either. He’d not Kraft. He’s not a fast footed TAC monster. Is the problem really all Musgrave or us not giving him a realistic chance to showcase the things he did well?

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Mister Chievous's picture

November 20, 2025 at 07:33 pm

"fast footed". lol. wtf?

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Alberta_Packer's picture

November 20, 2025 at 10:05 pm

I wrote-off Musgrave last year. That is why I picked Jackson Hawes on Day 3 of my mock draft. Hawes was drafted in Round 5 by the Buffalo Bills - having now earned recognition as an elite blocker and capable Receiver.

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LeotisHarris's picture

November 20, 2025 at 06:52 pm

Seems the Packers solved the Luke problem by having him on the field for two snaps in the second half, albeit unbeknownst to Matt. Knowing MLF "will make sure" more snaps are in Luke's future should keep him on the sidelines once linear time and the game clock get Matt in the proverbial headlock.

Luke has always tripped over the hash marks and yard lines. I suspect BNS is correct in his assertion that lacerated kidney PTSD has yet to be overcome. Could we just send the kid on a post or two? He *can* run! That whole put your players in a matchups they can win comes into play again, but these matchups seem mostly between Luke and himself.

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Bitternotsour's picture

November 20, 2025 at 07:37 pm

let that stallion run, who cares if he falls over after he catches a 30 yard ball.

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stockholder's picture

November 20, 2025 at 07:22 pm

MLF is right.

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Mister Chievous's picture

November 20, 2025 at 07:26 pm

I have been saying it since halfway through last season. Musgrave is a bust and should be cut. there are probably a half dozen tight ends on practice squads we could pick up that are better than Musgrave.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 21, 2025 at 12:54 am

Musgrave is a big slot player with good straight line speed and limited agility. His blocking is a big minus. He should be used down the field and that’s it. Limited value but it’s there. You can’t use him close to the LOS.

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SwedeBayPacker's picture

November 21, 2025 at 04:44 am

Put me in coach, I can do what Musgrave does: I can't catch, I can't block and I can drop the ball, but I'll do it at a fraction of the cost.

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WD's picture

November 21, 2025 at 07:13 am

I like Whyle because while similar to Fitzpatrick he is faster, can get open, and have more potential for YAC.
Let the competition begin.

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 21, 2025 at 09:39 am

Whyle is not much faster...4.7 vs 4.8...but he was drafted out of Cincinnati with a profile as a twofer...good blocker with solid receiver skills.

He should be getting more snaps than any TE on the roster post Tucker.

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TXCHEESE's picture

November 21, 2025 at 08:23 am

I'm as disappointed as anyone about Musgrave's performance thus far, but am willing to be patient and see if he can get his sea legs under him. He really hasn't had too many opportunities this season with Kraft being the YAC beast his is, so maybe he gets in there and things start becoming more second nature with repetitions. I know, I know, that's what practice and TC are for, but nothing replicates live action.

Let's see if MLF can find a role for him that suits his abilities. If he doesn't perform however, they need to send him to the pine and let Fitz and Whyle take over. No sense in cutting him until next TC.

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 21, 2025 at 09:53 am

Musgrave never presented as someone who loved the physical aspects of TE football. You have to love blocking, running with the ball after the catch, being physical even when being tackled.

He wasn't known as a timid player during the draft, but his injury resume was. And adding to that injury resume was a constant occurrence as a Packer and it has sure make him timid. So gun shy now and I expect the injury accumulation has tipped him over.

Mugrave would be my first pick for a flag football team. But for tackle football? LaFleur knows this too. But he probably likes Luke, who seems like a great guy, and doesn't want to hurt his "confidence".

That is perfectly in line for the status quo HC.

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