The Packers Have Some Tough Choices Ahead On Jordan Love

Packers GM Brian Gutekunst as some difficult decisions to make over this offseason. One of them involves whether to exercise the team’s fifth-year option on quarterback Jordan Love.

Love has barely played over the first three seasons of his pro career. The Packers drafted the former Utah State star in the first round back in 2020 as the heir apparent to Aaron Rodgers.

Most observers were surprised when the Packers used a first-round pick on Love when Rodgers was still on the roster. But Rodgers himself sat behind Brett Favre for the first three seasons of his career from 2005-2007 and Love was expected to have a similar path.

In his rookie year, the Covid pandemic caused the NFL to cancel the preseason and make OTAs virtual. That slowed his development. Love served as the third string quarterback behind Rodgers and Tim Boyle and didn’t play a snap during the regular season.

In 2021, Love became the second string quarterback and made one start when Rodgers was on the Covid reserve list and was unable to play. The Packers lost to the Chiefs 13-7 in Kansas City while Love played an inconsistent game.

Rodgers had back-to-back league MVP seasons in 2020 and 2021 possibly motivated by the team’s decision to draft a quarterback in the first round.

In 2022, Rodgers play fell off and he had his worst statistical season since he became the Packers starter. There were many factors that led to the drop off including a broken thumb, an inexperienced receiving corps, injuries along the offensive line and perhaps tensions between the type of offense Rodgers wanted to run versus Matt LaFleur’s preferred system.

Love saw action in four games, three of them in mop up duty and one game which he finished up when Rodgers suffered a rib injury. For the season, Love completed 14-of-21 passes for 195 yards and one touchdown. He did not throw an interception.

Love looked more confident in 2022. He was decisive and comfortable in the offense and read defenses better. He also used the entire field and was able to improve his foot work, something that coaches and scouts said he needed to work on earlier in his career.

The decision about Love’s future is complicated. There are a lot of moving parts this offseason that will determine whether Gutekunst will use the fifth-year option on Love.

The first and most obvious is what Rodgers decides to do. If AR-12 retires or asks to be traded, Love will likely be the Packers starter in 2023 or at least compete for the job. That makes it much more likely Gutekunst picks up Love’s fifth-year option.

But if Rodgers announces he wants to return to Green Bay in 2023, the situation gets more complex. There have been rumors that Love would demand a trade if he faced the prospect of backing up Rodgers for a fourth season. If that’s the case, the Packers would be unlikely to pick up the option on his deal.

If Love is willing to come back for one more season behind Rodgers, the situation gets more complicated again based on what Rodgers may decide to do.

The fifth-year option would cost the Packers almost $20 million against the salary cap and it would be fully guaranteed. If Rodgers decides to return for the final year of his current contract, he will cost the Packers approximately $40.7 million against the cap in 2024. If the Packers keep both Rodgers and Love that year, they will be spending more than $60 million of cap space on just two quarterbacks or almost 25 percent of the projected cap space according to spotrac.com.

The combination of the extension Rodgers signed last offseason and Love’s entry-level deal expiring after the 2023 season could put the Packers in a difficult bind. Gutekunst is unlikely to be able to keep both. The GM has already indicated he wants to have Rodgers back in 2023 and will probably stick with Rodgers as long as he wants to play in Green Bay.

Gutekunst could decide not to pick up the fifth-year option but then the Packers would either need to sign Love to a new deal for 2024 if they wanted to keep him or use the franchise tag to keep him from becoming a free agent. Either of those options would likely cost substantially more than the fifth-year option.

Love’s career with the Packers is at a crossroads. The decision to pick up the fifth-year option is a tricky one. The next step will be up to Rodgers and Gutekunst. We’ll then see when and if Love ever gets the chance to be the Packers starting quarterback or if he heads elsewhere to continue his NFL career.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 21, 2023 at 12:12 pm

It's really not that tough. Trade AR12 to the Jets, or Miami, or, Raiders, or Titans, or Saints, or ATL, or Carolina...

Let Love roll in '23 with Danny "Dimes" Etling back him up and if he plays at least well enough to decide he's the guy you want, great. If he fails, oh well...

Bye Gutey!

Then you clean house, firing Murphy, Gutey, Ball, and the whole coaching staff. Bring in new management who is about "Winning Championships" and keep grinding!

Not tough at all in my opinion. Of course that is what they're scared of... Looking like the idiots they are for drafting Love when they did! (3 years too early IMHO!)

You know the FO is dreading the fact that AR12 might actually come back and request a trade or retire... The minute AR12 walks out the door, they're done IMO, that is why they've bent over the table for him... SMH

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Oppy's picture

January 21, 2023 at 12:19 pm

Etling is a practice squad / camp arm talent. If he's our back up QB, we have real issues.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 21, 2023 at 12:33 pm

Not really. Hopefully, he doesn't play at all, just like Love hasn't.

If Jordan were to get hurt, there will be plenty of veteran QBs we could bring in, but right now we really can't afford that luxury. (Like having two spare tires....)

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stockholder's picture

January 21, 2023 at 07:22 pm

And bringing in a veteran was the right move.
Before drafting Love!

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Oppy's picture

January 21, 2023 at 09:18 pm

Why do you continually deny the fact that Rodgers is turning 40?

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Oppy's picture

January 21, 2023 at 09:17 pm

Love was brought in to be the starting QB.
Etling was brought in to kick the tires, soak up reps during camp and throw to practice squad players to save the arms of the starter and back up QB.

There's a massive difference.

Back up / starting QB material arms typically don't make a conversion to RB in an attempt to keep the NFL dream alive.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 21, 2023 at 12:54 pm

In fact, if you remember last preseason, Danny "Dimes" Etling played pretty darn good. I'm sorry, I sincerely am not worried about who is backing him up.

My whole point Oppy is we need to see what Gutey has bought us. A 1st and 4th round pick should buy us a starting QB. If it didn't, then that's on Gutey.

If Love busts out, it should cost Gutey his job, at least in GB.

If Love is a decent starting QB we can win a Super Bowl with, then all hail Gutey!

If Love, by some strange miracle were to become our 3rd FHOF QB in a row, that would be Earth shattering, and Gutey will be touted as the Master GM, even greater than TT when AR fell into his lap.

I don't know the future, but backup QB isn't one of my huge concerns in January '23...

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Oppy's picture

January 21, 2023 at 09:20 pm

I'm not talking about Love, I'm talking about Etling.

Etling's talent level should not be relied upon to be a back up QB. He's a camp arm. I'm saying exactly what I mean, and I mean exactly as I say.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 21, 2023 at 09:32 pm

What stupid revisionism. Rodgers didn't fall into Ted's lap, Ted took him. Many others passed. Love should have been the starter last year, save for Mark Murphy's idiotic "we're not idiots" move. We'd know whether Love is the man or whether we missed. It's infuriating that Seattle is sitting on all of Denver's draft picks and we aren't.

#FireMarkMurphy

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

January 22, 2023 at 03:25 pm

I can’t imagine any GM in the entire league, trading away a guy who just won back to back MVPs. When you have one of the best players in the league at the position and you have a question mark waiting in the wings, you go with the guy who has proven talent. Like Hall of Fame talent. Like 4x MVP talent. Like Super Bowl winning talent. They traded Russell Wilson because his career was on the downswing. Meanwhile the Rodgers lead Packers had just won 13 games for three seasons in a row. They have one down year with a broken thumb, a turnstile at offensive line, and young wide, receivers, and suddenly want to fire the entire front office Green Bay could do so, so, so much worse. You see it all around the league. So you’re fired these guys, and who do you think can do better?

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:39 pm

fails in big games every year. have you watched him? his time has passed. they drafted his replacement. they had a deal on the table with Denver, and Murphy gakked it.

they won 13 games - so true. but when it counted you couldn't count on AR.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:26 pm

"...they won 13 games - so true. but when it counted you couldn't count on AR."

Priceless.

I wonder even if he came back in great shape and has a phenomenal season.IF he would step up and carry them at least to the big game. I'm thinking most likely we wouldn't see that great season until after he went somewhere else.

So eventually I believe he has another great year in him but it won't come out of him absent the added motivation of sticking it to us So the possibility of him winning another SB with another team is something I'd rather not see.

But a lot of draft picks and cap space again sooner rather than later is too good to pass up

He who laughs last laughs Best,

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dekan51's picture

January 23, 2023 at 12:27 pm

In 2007, BF won 13 games, took the team to the NFCCG (lost in OT) and was the league MVP. What did we do? WE TRADED HIM. Why? Because the FO knew BF no longer had a SB win in him, and we needed to see what we had in AR. The old adage, trade 'em a year too early, not a year too late. AR should have been traded last year. 2 NFCCG appearances showed he no longer had what it takes. We should have traded him last year. Trade him this year, and we get 2 years to see what JL has, not 1. AR went 6-10 his 1st season after taking over a 13-3 team. JL will prob do the same....

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PackAttack4155's picture

January 23, 2023 at 06:15 pm

Tom Brady was league MVP in 2007.

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Since'61's picture

January 21, 2023 at 05:46 pm

Oppy you are correct. There is a reason Etling has been with 8 teams in his career. One of those 8 teams one was a CFL team. Also he has had 2 stints with the Seahawks and 2 with the Packers. Altogether he has been moved 10 times since his professional career began in 2018. He is the definition of the journeyman player.

Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

January 22, 2023 at 08:30 am

In a clear out year, that kind of back up QB wouldn’t worry me. If Rodgers goes and Love starts then the year becomes a developmental one.

The alternative to an Etling type would be a Doug Pederson type or a draft pick. Deadly was never going to win us much, had very little arm talent at all, but he was a good presence for Favre. I doubt we draft a QB early—enough drama already—unless Love really isn’t in our plans. A later drafted guy will likely to need time to develop anyway and might actually be less ready to hold the fort thsn Etling next year.

Clear out the dead cap, look to develop and let Love settle and show what he can do and hopefully develop—as Rodgers did through 2008. Etling or similar at backup is fine for that as I see it.

With his mobility, he provides options for a good coach to actually go something with if he’s needed short term. Not sure LaFleur is that, of course. Etling seems to have a decent arm, is certainly mobile and is smart. He could in fact be a good foil for Love holding the clip board and a viable game manager dual threat if needed for short spells. That would be what we need in Love’s first year I think.

After a next year with Love starting, things should be clearer and, if Etling doesn’t become the next Doug Flutie, we move on without rancor or cap pain if we need to.

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:07 am

Heck, Etling could be the next coming of Taysom Hill, for all we know. It might be interesting to have a gadget player...

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:08 am

If Levis falls, draft him.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 21, 2023 at 12:35 pm

I think the decisions have already been made. And Love is going to be a good starter. And Murphy, Gutekunst, Ball will be given credit for executing The Plan and drafting and developing a solid starting QB.

And yes, you'd want a better backup than Etling. The backup QB is one injury away from being the most important guy on the team.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 21, 2023 at 01:53 pm

I pray to God you are right!

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Since'61's picture

January 21, 2023 at 06:53 pm

LH are you referring to decisions about either trading Rodgers or of Rodgers retiring.

First the Packers need to find a trading partner and even if they do that partner(s) may not want to pay the Packers asking price. They know the Packers circumstances and they will try to low ball the Packers on Rodgers current value.

As for the retirement route, Rodgers may claim that he wants to retire but one trip to Peru, a little Ayahuasca, a discussion with the Inca Gods and the retirement idea may literally go up in smoke faster than I can say, Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth.

When I see Rodgers either in another uniform or not on the field for the Packers opening game in 2023 then I'll believe that the Packers are moving on. Until then it's how bad can the current management screw up the Packers future. Thanks, Since '61

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Leatherhead's picture

January 21, 2023 at 09:32 pm

I think Love will be the Packers starting QB next fall, because that's why we drafted and developed him, and the GM says he's ready.

You know I'm a win-win-win scenario guy. I like it when everybody wins. Rodgers gets a chance to go somewhere he wants to go. That's a win. The Packers stay on track with the plan they've had since before they drafted Love. That's a win. Some other team gets a QB who's a definite improvement over their current guy, and not at great cost. That's a win.

Love gets to-play. Win. The people who want Rodgers gone? Win. Everybody can win if we just work it out with Rodgers and the acquiring team.

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I'm reading an increasing number of articles that make it clear that the Packers can, if they choose, kick the can down the road and run it back.

In Theory, we could line up with Rodgers, Jones/Dillon, Watson as the Big 3, who'd get the ball about 2/3 of the time. The supporting cast would get the ball about 1/3 of the time among them, including Doubs, Toure, Deguara, Tonyan, Lewis, etc, We also have an OL unit that already has 6 dependable starters, and the opportunity to add to it.

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Since'61's picture

January 21, 2023 at 06:54 pm

Double sorry. Thanks, Since '61

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Since'61's picture

January 21, 2023 at 06:54 pm

Triple post!!! Sorry, I guess the Inca Gods don't like me messing up their plans. Thanks, Since '61

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:06 am

Better call Krishna...

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MainePackFan's picture

January 21, 2023 at 12:40 pm

"Not tough at all in my opinion. Of course that is what they're scared of... Looking like the idiots they are for drafting Love when they did! (3 years too early IMHO!)"

Nothing against Jordan, but knowing what they know now I can't help but think Gutey wishes he could have a do over. That has to be one of the most polarizing picks of all time. Stands to reason it came at one of the most polarizing times in history :)

Hindsight is 20/20. What to do going forward is the question. Whatever they decide to do, I'll be fully onboard the Packer train and hoping they made the right decision. GPG!!

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Leatherhead's picture

January 21, 2023 at 04:23 pm

The people who make decisions for the organization would have been derelict in their duty if they didn't get a viable replacement ready for Rodgers, so they drafted a guy and they've developed him and the GM says he's ready.

It's only polarizing to the people who just reject any alternative to Rodgers. Personally, it seems like a pretty good plan....draft a top QB, develop him for a few years, and put a good team around him. That way, the team is ready when Rodgers skills start to decline. How many times has that been tried? Drafting a top guy and letting him learn behind an HOFer for a couple years? I'm betting it's a short list, especially after Free Agency started.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 21, 2023 at 05:05 pm

Maybe Levis falls to them @ #15 ?

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MainePackFan's picture

January 21, 2023 at 08:40 pm

LH. That strategy only works if they are ready to move on from Rodgers like they moved on from Favre. I don't know that they are. Time will tell.

It was a polarizing pick not because people aren't open to a Rodgers alternative, but because Rodgers was coming off a pretty decent 2019 and the Pack was 13-3.. He said he wanted to play into his 40's, and he wanted to finish his career with the Packers.

I would venture a guess that you and the vast majority of fans (me included) thought we were a player or two away. When the trade was announced, we were thinking Patrick Queen, Tee Higgins or whatever pick you had as your personal draft crush. It was polarizing because Gute misread the room. It was an unforced error and now here we are.

Covid screwed Love out of year of normal development. He is a year behind where Rodgers was when the decided to move forward with him.

Unlike you and most of our CHTV gang, I don't think Rodgers skills have dropped to the point of no return. I think he still gives this team the best chance to win. I could be wrong, you could be wrong. Either way the Packers need to commit to someone, be it Rodgers or Love, and then the trade the other one.

If they choose Rodgers, they should only do so if they have at least a 2 year commitment from him, (no more of this yearly soap opera). They should give him real weapons on the offensive side of the ball and realize that a 39 year old QB can win you a SB only if you don't ask him to carry you on his shoulders like he did as a younger man. Those days are gone.

If they choose Jordan, they need to make it known to him that he will be running MLF's offense exactly how he wants it run. It's Jordan's team, but it's Matts offense. Once and for all the Packers need to know whether Matt is a brilliant offensive mind that went off the rails because of Rodgers, or he rode the coattails of a future HOF QB to whatever success he had. Give Jordan all the tools he needs to run Matts offense to a tee. Their futures would tied to each other at that point.

Whatever they do, I will be a Packers fan, as will you. Sorry about the long post :)

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croatpackfan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 06:16 am

"If they choose Jordan, they need to make it known to him that he will be running MLF's offense exactly how he wants it run."

I don't know from where you get doubt that Jordan Love would not go with play calling that will be sent to him from play caller. Did you found anywhere any ststement from Jordan Love that he thinks system placed by his HC is not good or that he think he knows better? Small sample we saw from Jordan this season tells that he is following his progression and execute plsy call send from side. Exactly opposite what ACR were doing last season. And season before, but that season (2021) his mistakes was covered by excellency of Davante Adams.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:15 am

Croat, I'm not saying Jordan will purposefully ignore the play calling. However, he wants to prove himself. After watching Rodgers for 3 years, the temptation to show he can do some of the same things would be a normal thought process.

"Exactly opposite what ACR were doing last season. And season before, but that season (2021) his mistakes was covered by excellency of Davante Adams."

We get it Croat, Aaron Rodgers sucks. Can we get back to discussing the Jordan Love option you responded to. If AR is gone, it doesn't matter what you think of him anymore. Your wish will have come true. Time to move on to a new villain : )

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:05 am

A strong armed QB is obligated to pump the deep ball. Otherwise, you get the scenario with the opponent rushing four and cover-7, flooding the short/mid zones. This isn't the 1940s plow jockey left/right. In my opinion LaMook's offense is conservative, not innovative.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:20 am

MainPackfan, you are the one who compared them. That is why I mention ACR.

From the very beginning I was telling that Jordan Love has to play as Jordan Love, not to try to imitates ACR, because he is not ACR. I also warned fans not to compare way of playing ACR to way of playing Jordan Love. They are 2 different personalities. Only what you can compare are results of the plays. And even than, it is not all on either of them. Because football is TEAM SPORT.

Please, do not go further in this discussion. For the end I will tell you this. If Jordan Love would play average or under average as Packers starter I will be the first to admit that. If he will become 3rd in the row and start to pull Brett/Aaron behavior I will advocate to cut him or to trade him. I'm first and foremost Packers fan, not fan of this or that player. I bound my "emotion" with Packers, not with individuals.

Any player or official (coaches, GM, CEO) who will hurt Packers organization will be target of my criticism.

I hope you are the same and because of that I believe we can find common ground in that.

Thank you.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 07:21 pm

"Please, do not go further in this discussion"

No can do Croat. I did not compare Rodgers and Love the players. I gave the two options the Packers have. You responded to the Love side and ended up switching your focus to Rodgers.

We do have common ground though my friend.... The Green Bay Packers. Now we can end the discussion ; )

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 21, 2023 at 12:46 pm

I think the Jets and the Falcons are Rodgers' two most likely destinations. The Falcons have a ton of cap space to absorb Rodgers' contract and construct a contending team, and the Jets already have an excellent roster. The Saints, Titans, and Dolphins are all significantly over the cap, and those teams (as well as Carolina) probably couldn't carve out enough cap space to take him on. The Raiders, outside of a few good players, have a pretty crappy roster, so I think it's unlikely Rodgers wants to go there.

Murphy and MLF are the two dunces. Gutekunst is someone I trust to make reasonable decisions. I think he should have been more willing to go all-in during the 2020 season and prior to the 2021 season, but I think he has generally been an above-average GM who's generally drafted well. I think he recognized that Rodgers should have been traded after 2021, but Mark "we're not stupid" Murphy said nay nay to that.

As for the Love decision, I understand why Gutekunst did it. It was right after the 2019 season, which was an okay season for Rodgers - 26 TDs, 4 INTs, 95.4 passer rating (at the time, the second-worst of any of his full seasons). He was showing signs of age, and they wanted to have someone to develop in what they presumed would be his waning years to take over the reins eventually, much like how Patrick Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith for a year before taking over in the Chiefs' case.
However, what they didn't anticipate was then Rodgers would go on to have the 2nd-best season of his career in 2020 and almost get them to the Super Bowl. 2021, then, put us in great position to win the SB, but injuries, Special Teams, and also Aaron Rodgers came up short against the 49ers, and we all know the end of that story.
After that, the FO probably thought they could get one more year of MVP-caliber play out of Rodgers in one last effort to get a ring and maximize the window (which, 3 years ago, they didn't even expect to be open). This wasn't irrational to think - originally, I was on board with it, thinking that the defense could carry this team. Ultimately, coaching inconsistencies, player inconsistencies, and Rodgers' regression to his pre-2020 form doomed the season.

The conclusion: It is time to execute the plan that the FO originally laid out in the 2019 offseason but was delayed by Rodgers' career revitalization from 2020-2021. It is time to move on to Jordan Love.

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January 21, 2023 at 09:45 pm

There is exactly no way the Jets move to Rodgers. Robert Saleh has kicked Rodgers ass in multiple playoff situations as a d-coordinator, and this past year as a head coach. Saleh knows he's cooked. There is zero chance the Jets move to Rodgers.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 01:11 am

Have you asked them? Because from wha I've read, it seems the Jets are one of his best prospective destinations.

You say Saleh thinks he's cooked - who's to say Rodgers can't have one or two more good seasons before he ultimately hangs up the cleats. With the right coaches and a good supporting cast, I believe he could, and the Jets have a vacancy at OC. Oh, also, Rodgers will not be playing with a broken thumb next year.

My concern is that, let's say Rodgers stays in GB and returns to good-ish form. The Packers wouldn't have a good enough roster around him or the cap apparatus to improve their roster to be a serious Super Bowl threat during those years. Not to mention they would likely lose Love in free agency or by trade - all just to be mediocre.

The Jets don't need an MVP QB to win a super bowl - they have an elite running game behind Breece Hall, elite pass-catchers, and an elite defense that Saleh oversees. However, my guess is that they would probably want a former MVP - someone who has proven he can make the tough throws when it counts - rather than someone unreliable like Derek Carr or Jimmy G if it gave them the best chance to win the Super Bowl.

Just because Saleh's defense has caused Rodgers fits in the past doesn't mean he's washed; it just means Saleh is a good coach

Also, I have heard that Robert Saleh and Rodgers are actually very good friends who respect each other.

I think a Rodgers partnership with the Jets is likely.

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January 21, 2023 at 02:45 pm

Ya, firing everybody makes the team better.(heavy sigh).

The reality is the fans and the media placed all the folks you want to fire in a tough spot. When Rodgers started acting like Mr. Christian from Mutiny on the Bounty a few years ago they should have done what Ted Thompson did and ended the farce. Now they're in an even tougher spot. They didn't want to tick off the fans so they bent to Rodgers every demand. Mike McCarthy, now in the playoffs with Dallas, was Rodgers first victim. The Packers now have an employee who thinks, and possibly does, run the show.
But firing everyone means not glory days ahead but more losing. Super Bowl coaches like Doug Pederson are not waiting to come to Green Bay. Running a successful, and yes they are successful, NFL franchise takes more than running the personnel side of things. Mark Murphy is not going anywhere until he retires in a year or two. It will take the Board a year to fill that position and they're already likely int he process. If you fire Gute then you start the search(coin flip) of finding someone who doesn't mind living in the Green Bay culture AND has top-shelf competence. Ditto for the head coach.

I grow weary of the 'fire everybody' crowd who thinks all these decisions are easy and cleaning house automatically gets things better. Most of the time they don't as history has shown us.

Rodgers is the culprit here. Like Pete Carroll in Seattle who shed another ego-nut-case in Russell Wilson and returned to the playoffs, the Packers will eventually get out of the bind and move forward. Hopefully the 'fire everybody' crowd can see that, but probably not.

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January 21, 2023 at 03:56 pm

I agree that we shouldn't fire Gutekunst, but LaFuckup and his staff need to go. Hiring a competent HC is far easier than hiring a competent GM. Gutekunst should be the one to make that hire, not Mark Murphy, the man responsible for this shitshow.

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January 21, 2023 at 09:30 pm

True True True! I 100% agree! Keep Gutey, fire Murphy and MLF

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Since'61's picture

January 21, 2023 at 11:17 pm

Harry I would agree that cleaning house doesn't always work and isn't always easy.

However if we look at Packers history Lombardi came in and cleaned house and that worked as well as could be possible.
Bob Harlan took over as Packers President cleaned house with Ron Wolf and that worked out very well.
TT took over as GM, mostly cleaned house and that worked out pretty well.

In any case the Packers need to move forward. Rodgers is a culprit but he's not the only one. The Packers need to move on from Matt LaChooch and this coaching staff as well, with Bisaccia as the only possible exception.
MLC's alleged friend Robert Saleh basically called his team soft after the Packers lost to the Jets. No one on the team, but specifically Matt LaChooch, did or said anything to defend the team or the players. In a physical sport like football that is really lame. Since it was a head coach who made the comments the Packers HC should have stuck up for his players. In any case Saleh's comments should have at least been blackboard or poster board or cork board or whatever material they use these days for the remainder of the season. Matt LaChooch should have used SAleh's comments to motivate his team for the remainder of the season but it doesn't look like he even considered it. Time for the broom. Thanks, Since '61

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January 22, 2023 at 08:57 am

I think you make a vital point, one it’s critical to remember, that there’s not one issue here. These relate in terms of each exacerbating issues but solving one won’t necessarily solve the others. Resolving the “Rodgers” issue wont solve LaFleur or make him magically more astute tactically or as a man manager. Nor will it deal with a President who seems to have lost a grip on reality and seems to like to have subservient types around him.

What starting Love would do is start to clear the cap backlog while letting other things such as LaFleur’s supposed offensive genius emerge center stage. As players develop and the cap recovers, we get a chance to see if the emperor has new clothes or not and we toll another year of the disaster Murphy.

It’s going to be painful, I think it’s very likely 2024 sees both a new coach and Murphy retired, but 2023 without Rodgers will make us healthier cap wise and shine a very bright light on the off field talent as well as in Love’s real potential and, I suspect, accelerate more younger talent through greater play time and real opportunities.

It might even change my mind on LaFleur. If he had the potential one would think he’d be desperate to grab it. Don’t hold your breath on that.

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Since'61's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:45 am

Great post Coldworld. I agree that the Packers problems are a Muti-tiered matrix. This is why I have consistently posted that resolving the "Rodgers problem" won't matter given the on going issue with management and coaching. There are nuances in all of this that we'll never realize because we are not at 1265 every day.

The question is rarely whether or not an issue can be resolved. The question is what are the options for resolving the issue(s) as comprehensively as possible and simultaneously anticipating solutions for the future issues that could arise in the chosen option. Think oil back in the 19th century ( no one anticipated global warming) or plastics in the 50s and 60s (no one prepared for the fact that plastics do nit break down).

Having said the above moving on from Rodgers presumably to Love as the starting QB would be a good first step because it will shed light onto the depth of the Packers coaching strengths/weaknesses and beyond into the FO. If Love becomes the starter and flops is it because of Love or the coaching? If Love succeeds is it Love's talent or good coaching?

One thing that we know for sure is that winning resolves numerous issues but is also covers up numerous issues as it has with the Packers going back at least as far as 2015. IMO the sooner Packers management can show some movement forward on the team's issues the better. Thanks, Since '61

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January 21, 2023 at 05:27 pm

I can't fault the FO for drafting Love when they did. The trade up, maybe. Not so sure other teams were falling all over themselves to draft him, but nobody we could have gotten in the 4th is setting the league on fire right now, either. It was kind of a sucky draft.

But Rodgers clearly looked like he was in decline. 2017, 2018, and 2019 he no longer looked like an all-world QB. None of the talking heads expected him to play at an MVP level again and most of the chatter was that the Packers needed to look for a QB. Ad to that, there wasn't anyone else in the range where we were drafting who would have been an instant help. Tee Higgins is about the only one and given Rodgers general attitude towards rookie WRs, I doubt he would have contributed much as a rookie. A trade back would have been a solid move, IMO, since a number of solid defensive players were available (Winfield, Diggs, etc.).

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 21, 2023 at 09:26 pm

Exactly! The FO did not know Rodgers would have a career revitalization in 2020. Because of that, though, their backup plan to Rodgers was delayed. It should be initiated now, though; Love is the future

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:27 am

Move down, draft Jonathon Taylor and they do not over pay Jones. Travon Diggs and L'Jarius Sneed makes for an All Pro secondary. A lack of foresight and strategy. A veteran backup QB works best for All-In. Poor Drafting.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:17 am

Draft is by its nature a hit and miss activity. At the time, Rodgers was in decline, similar to how he did in 2022, and they were setting up the post-Rodgers era. That plan was delayed because of Rodgers' career revitalization in 2020 and 2021 which actually gave them a shot to win it all, but he has returned to old Rodgers in 2022. Time to move on.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:35 am

26 TDs and 4 INT. One receiver to work with, no TE.

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Straya's picture

January 21, 2023 at 11:49 pm

Drafted 3 years too early? They drafted a developmental QB right after AR had a bumpy season and three seasons before Rodgers turned into a pumpkin. I'd say that's ideal timing if only they'd had the guts to pull the trigger last off-season.

That said, when you're the Packers and there's a QB on the board that you like, you draft them regardless of the timing. The opportunity doesn't come along very often

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SinceLombardi's picture

January 22, 2023 at 08:52 pm

They’re done regardless. After watching the divisional round playoffs it’s obvious the talent gap in Green Bay.
This team and it’s staff just aren’t tough enough to compete with the elite teams.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 23, 2023 at 06:08 am

For good performance of the team it is neccessity to plan plays (on D or on O lor on ST) based on players strength, not on imaginary schemes and expect players to be excellent.

Every team has its weaknesses and good plans try to use it against.

Packers D was average (or slightly above or under average) through 2 years of Joe Barry's tenure. Here, almost all posters and many writers agree that Joe Barry is the problem. If that is right, position of Packers D players in NFL suggests that D is composed with above average players, who were able to overcome lack of scheme adaptation to them.

So, if Barry stinks and players stinks Packer will be at the bottom of the NFL.

Now you have to decide 1. if Barry stinks and Packers D players are in average near the top of the NFL or 2. Packers D players stinks and Joe Barry is very good DC.

It is simple as that.

My vote goes to 1st assumption.

Also we have similar situation on offense side of the team. For me, main culprit is MLF, because he has no balls to implement his offense, but running some strange mix of old Mike McCarthy scheme and his own scheme adapted to wishes and demands of ACR.

We saw how good coordinator/HC can turn the tide in only one TC and half the season in what Rich Bisaccia made of ST.

Looking in what I wrote, main culprit are Mark Murphy & MLF for all problems Packers has today.

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splitpea1's picture

January 21, 2023 at 12:26 pm

Love should unequivocally demand a trade if Rodgers returns. Who knows, this "Rodgers watch" crap could go on for a couple more years. It's rather insane to expect a first-round draft pick to cheerfully accept being glued to the pine for at least four years. Pray for some workable solution for unloading #12 once and for all so this organization can move forward again.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 21, 2023 at 12:41 pm

True True True!

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Justin628's picture

January 21, 2023 at 01:16 pm

These charlatans know exactly what to do when faced with an obvious tough choice. Run a mile and take the option they think safest for them personally.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:55 am

'Fraidy cop from Monk.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 21, 2023 at 04:26 pm

Love is in no position to demand anything. He is under contractual obligation and has no leverage. And he's smart enough to know this, and he's smart enough to know that his best move is to cooperate with the people who have his contract.

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Rossonero's picture

January 21, 2023 at 09:41 pm

^^THIS. What I was exactly gonna say. He has no leverage.

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bjkdad44's picture

January 21, 2023 at 10:09 pm

Hope you’re right!

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Coldworld's picture

January 21, 2023 at 12:35 pm

These charlatans know exactly what to do when faced with an obvious tough choice. Run a mile and take the option they think safest for them personally.

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Turophile's picture

January 21, 2023 at 12:38 pm

The tough choices should not be affecting Love. It's more about what the HC, GM and maybe Murphy decide what the future is with Rodgers. As far as I'm concerned the best way forward is to give Love his chance as a starter and see what happens.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 21, 2023 at 12:41 pm

What is so tough about them? It seems obvious to me. Prioritize future success over present mediocrity.

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stockholder's picture

January 21, 2023 at 04:16 pm

Think of the changes if Both leave.
They won't pay Rodgers in 3 years.
Thats 70 mil. to buy anything you want.
The first step is to trade Love a year early.
If we can do without Z. smith and Adams.
My fear is a fire sale.
They can do without Love.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 21, 2023 at 01:01 pm

You all know my opinion.

For me, the sadiest moments of any athlete is when athlete do not recognize he is done for sport. Most of them try to convince themselves and others they can still play at top level.

Jordan Love showed us that he is decent person. He is not affraid to justify himself for mistakes he made and I never heard him publicly complain of anything. Also, his team mates have high opinion on him, which can give him possibility to be true leader once he will be at position for.

His football skills and talent should let him achieve successful pro career, and I believe he can be another excellent QB for Packers or some other team. I prefer - for Packers. And, what is not of less importance, Jordan Love is coachable. He will play as part of the team, not as one above every others.

What more you should expect from player?

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 21, 2023 at 01:21 pm

True True True

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Packercruising's picture

January 21, 2023 at 07:23 pm

I totally agree with this. This is our second year in a row of Rodgers watch. Now he has a laundry list of players he wants to return. What if it isn't managements plan to retain them? Meanwhile, Love has been the good citizen. He has studied hard and this year he has progressed. He wasn't drafted to be a back up and he deserves to see if he can be a consistent starter. I hope it is here.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 21, 2023 at 01:24 pm

I was just doing some draft scouting, but one of the things I think the Packers need to prioritize in 2023 is getting more speed to complement Christian Watson. Tennessee's Jalin Hyatt could be an excellent solution. He runs a 4.29(!) 40 and put up elite numbers in 2022. For a 185 lb receiver, he is also a very good blocker. He would likely be in the slot for the Packers, but they need a long-term replacement for Randall Cobb anyway.

Edit: I was also doing some research on Oregon State TE Luke Musgrave. He is incredibly athletic and gifted, and reminds me a lot of Travis Kelce, but he only played 2 games this year b/c of an injury. Watching the Chiefs-Jags game, I see just how impactful a great TE like Kelce can be. Is he someone the Packers should target, most likely in round 2?

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croatpackfan's picture

January 21, 2023 at 01:45 pm

They already had Toure for that. Of course, if Cobb will not be back...

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croatpackfan's picture

January 21, 2023 at 01:45 pm

Aaaaaaaarrrrrrgh

Double

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 21, 2023 at 01:58 pm

Judging from what the Packers like in their Wide Receivers, I think Rashee Rice of SMU and Cedric Tillman of Tennessee will be their prime targets in round 2.

Edit: Another WR they could target in the 3rd-4th round in Jonathan Mingo of Ole Miss. He is a big guy, about 6'2, 225 lbs, and is an exceptional blocker, like Lazard. He is a great possession target on screens, good on slants, excels in contested catches, and is an amazing deep threat. His hands can be inconsistent occasionally, and he does have an injury history, though. I think he would fit the Packers very nicely.

Dontay Demus Jr. of Maryland is also another WR the Packers could target. He has great size for the position, good deep speed, and great blocking ability, contested catch ability, and hands. He, also, does have an injury history, tearing his ACL in 2021, and there are some questions about his route running, as he was able to use athleticism to mitigate it somewhat.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 21, 2023 at 02:33 pm

Top of the round.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 21, 2023 at 02:39 pm

Tillman, on average, is around the mid-late 2nd round on most draft websites. I think the Packers could scoop him up at #45. Rice is a bit higher, and may need to fall a little bit, but he, most likely, will also be available at #45

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 21, 2023 at 05:11 pm

Tillman came back strong from his injury. He is better than Hyatt. Strong frame at 6'-3, 215. Better route runner than Doubs.

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stockholder's picture

January 21, 2023 at 05:28 pm

I still like Hyatt more.

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January 21, 2023 at 09:28 pm

Both have different skill sets. Hyatt is more of a speedster, but he could also be looked at as one-trick pony. Both I think would be great additions to the Packers - Hyatt would have to be drafted earlier, though. Tillman I think would be more of what the FO typically looks for in a WR.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:37 am

Get Kincaid or Kraft for the TE spot by round two. Musgrave's knee will be evaluated. If he's OK, he will go back up boards. He was the top rated TE going into the 2022 college season. I like Charlie Jones later on as a WR who knows how to get open and catch every ball, going low to the ground , not waist-bending like a lummox.

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ricky's picture

January 21, 2023 at 02:27 pm

Time for some perspective. Rodgers won back-to-back MVP awards. Good for him. But he hasn't won a Super Bowl since the 2010 season. That is what matters. Is he a first ballot HOFer? Yes. But, apparently, he'll enter the Hall with only one SB win. What he has done in the past is irrelevant. What counts is what he is doing now, and what he can realistically be projected to do with the Packers in the next two seasons. If the decision makers in Green Bay have decided that Rodgers can lead them to a SB win, despite all evidence to the contrary, then they'll stick with him. They'll once again go "all in", pushing cap further into the future, and hope that Rodgers will somehow lead the team to a championship. This would mean trading Love for whatever they could get for him, and, in a year or two, be scrambling to find a QB, while also desperately trying to find ways to escape their self created "cap hell". In effect, they'll become the Saints or Buccaneers. No cap space, no QB, and no hope. I hate even typing this, because I try to remain positive and upbeat. But it seems the front office is stuck in a rut, and until Murphy is ousted, the team's prospects on the field are going to get a lot worse before they get better.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 21, 2023 at 02:36 pm

Draft another QB in the Spring. Maybe with the one pick, then you start with a clean slate. The Brain Trust didn't do Love any favors and he will want out if Rodgers hangs for another season. Don't blame Rodgers for Gutedkunst's drafting.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 21, 2023 at 09:28 pm

Love is not a bad pick! We don’t know that yet!

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Coldworld's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:41 am

This really ought to be about the futility of another run back with Rodgers. Accept that and progress can be made, with or without Love. We need to get the cap healthy and give ourselves options with at least the potential for meaningful upside, and that starts with accepting its time to stop giving snaps to high priced elder statesmen and start looking to the ones who can develop a core for ‘24, ‘25 and beyond, by then supplemented by some FA additions.

We aren’t competing with Cobb and Lazard getting those kind of snap percentages, whoever is QB. We aren’t helping with players that won’t realistically be with us if we want them in 2025. We win (in the sense if returning to relevance) by finding ones who maybe and developing them. Yes QB is a big part of that in terms of both cap and play, but it’s only one part of a much more fundamental reality this team is refusing to face up to despite it being facially obvious that the same is inevitably a path to worse.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:51 am

There should be zero Consideration in bringing Cobb, Lewis, Lazard back on the roster. Tonyan at fair value? Too Slow, get better. I would move A.Jones for a pick. Bhak played well and the CAP effect is minimal. He stays. Draft another OT with a high pick. Let Tom compete for the center spot. I have very little confidence in their personnel dept. The 2022 draft showed some degree of competence, but I would not have wasted both two picks by drafting Walker @ #22. The spot was reserved for Watson. Wyatt at #29 was fortunate. Bill didn't want Walker and kept Lawrence Guy( thanks,Ted) in lieu of drafting Wyatt.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:18 am

The cap effect is actually very big if they Bakhtiari post june first (17 million of savings)

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:51 am

If they plan to move him they better move up in the first to snag Broderick Jones, or Harrison. I prefer an All Pro guarding the left flank. Use the draft capital to get offensive Playmakers. Jenkins or Tom are a downgrade from Bhak. He's worth the money. They know more about his knee than we do, so I speculate.

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stockholder's picture

January 21, 2023 at 03:44 pm

The packers do not have enough weapons.
Which means less answers.
Gutey's statement speaks volume for Rodgers.
"Rodgers gives the Packers the best chance to win!"
IMO. It would be a major blunder to
exercise the 5th year option on Love.
Love is stuck. He has No bargaining power.
POINT: Love will leave if he doesn't get RODGERS MONEY:
We've seen the blackmail throughout the roster.
I WANT TO BE THE HIGHEST PAID FOR MY POSITION!
And he will make that demand for sitting the bench.
The 20 mil. is just the Start. It will effect the Team's future.
They don't know if he can hold up for 16 games!
Another statement that suggests he won't play hurt!
And all this suggests a 1 year rental for 20 mil.
The Packers have had Brohm and Flynn as back-ups.
And that is what they paid for.
They knew Rodgers was ready, and to move on from Favre.
It doesn't sound that way from MLF or Gutey.
I say Love is trade bait and now is the Time to move him.

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jhtobias's picture

January 21, 2023 at 04:00 pm

Well any team that retains Joe berry as their defensive leader is incapable of making a solid decision yet alone any good decisions

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 21, 2023 at 04:27 pm

I have never heard Love say he wants a big-money extension let alone to get paid Rodgers' salary. To do that, at this point, is very unwarranted, and I haven't heard or seen Love do or say anything that would even imply that. I think you are doing some irrational guesswork - All I get from Love is that he wants a chance to play in the NFL - that is why he entered the draft, and now he wants to make his goal a reality.

You are suggesting that Love is an egotistical selfish player who only wants money. You have no evidence for this, and there is none - it is all figments of your imagination.

Also, I think it is a little contradictory to be complaining about 20 million for Love when we are paying a mediocre QB (Rodgers) 58 MILLION dollars.

If I recall, Brohm and Flynn weren't drafted in round 1, correct?

You have said you don't know if Love can hold up for 17 games. There is no other way to know then to play him. If TT had said that for Rodgers when he was behind Favre, then Rodgers would never have played for the Packers.

Rodgers is the real trade bait. Love it the future.

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January 21, 2023 at 04:37 pm

the future is guess work.
Love stated today he is ready!
The option is big money.
Rodgers has a 3 year contract.
The commitment was to Rodgers.
Not Love.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 21, 2023 at 08:45 pm

I can't wait till they trade AR12 and Love starts in '23, just to see what you're going to write.

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stockholder's picture

January 21, 2023 at 09:20 pm

If they trade Rodgers. It will be his Decision.
No one will give you a #1 for him. Not even the Jets.
If he gets traded it will be to the Raiders. IMO.
And Carr will come here. He wants out.
Love should be traded to NO.
The Packers need to move Love
before Carr screws up any trade.

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January 21, 2023 at 09:31 pm

The Packers would never accept Carr. I don’t think they would get a first either. I think two seconds (one in 23 and one in 24) and a fourth is what the Packers will likely receive.

Rodgers would never want to go to the Raiders. Outside of a few exceptional players like Davante, Darren Waller, and Maxx Crosby, their roster is crappy (not to mention they have a bad offensive line).

I see the Jets and the Falcons as the best two destinations because they are the only two that have all of:
1. Cap space to absorb Rodgers' contract.
2. A superb roster (or the cap space to create a superb roster)
3. Good pieces on the offensive line and good weapons for Rodgers to target.

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stockholder's picture

January 21, 2023 at 09:38 pm

You and others want him gone.
The exchange shouldn't matter.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:08 am

Rodgers will not opt to play on artificial turf. He would prefer west coast. As '61 stated the NY press would work over his idiosyncrasies. They are not censored like the safe house crew @ Lambeau.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:18 am

Have you asked Rodgers? Do you think maybe he would like the bright spotlights of NY better?

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croatpackfan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 06:35 am

BDU, ask him where he was when Packers traded Brett Favre and decided to start ACR. What was his position.

He already admitted that he was strongly against that move. Now, you'll understand his view to life - "please change nothing, old is always better!!!!"

Monkey, nothing else.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:48 am

I love it. The funny thing is, he has moments where he's almost lucid.

I get a kick out of sh...

Anytime he chimes in, I figure we should probably do exactly the opposite. I really don't know if he's trolling or serious, either way I love it...

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 22, 2023 at 12:05 pm

Nobody likes Yes Men hanging about the blog-O-sphere. He's the stick that pokes the Bear.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 23, 2023 at 06:21 am

"the future is guess work."

Any future is guess work, I would like to add. Even if Packers do what you suggests. Remember 2013? And another collarbone later? I'm sure you knew it that will happen before those seasons.

My God!

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jhtobias's picture

January 21, 2023 at 03:58 pm

You guys are focusing on the wrong issue.

The packers have retained Joe berry and the rest of his defensive staff meaning who gives a rat's behind whether they keep Jordan trade Aaron do this do that whatever draft his kid doesn't matter .

This team is a clown organization that deserves what it get's. You have clown coordinators, a head coach with the backbone of a snake , and not probably, but the absolute worst coaching staff except for Rich B that has been assembled in the last 20 years of the nfl . So who really cares what they do with player personal ..

Clown show is here to stay

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Rarescope's picture

January 21, 2023 at 05:37 pm

FTLOG can you please find something different to write about!?!?!? This horse was dead halfway through the season.

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Heyward's picture

January 21, 2023 at 06:07 pm

Love threw about 10 meaningful passes this season. We don’t know much more about him than we did a year ago.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 21, 2023 at 06:28 pm

In the meantime, we know Rodgers is washed and overpaid

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stockholder's picture

January 21, 2023 at 07:11 pm

And We know
Love couldn't push him from that starting job.

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January 21, 2023 at 09:34 pm

No, we know that MLF wouldn’t give Love the starting job - from what we’ve seen, Love played as well as Rodgers did this season, but you know that the guy who is making 50 million is going to get the nod. Not to mention Rodgers controls LaFleurs puppet strings, so saying that LaFleur actively chose to ignore Love is false - he just defaulted to Rodgers.

Also, how would it look if you are starting a QB on their rookie contract over a 58 million paid former MVP? Not very good. I think it would have been the right move, but the media and other teams would not have thunk that because they don’t know the depth of the situation. MLF cares too much about what others think and not enough about what is really best for the Packers football team.

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January 21, 2023 at 08:48 pm

The FO knows more because they watched him throughout the whole year. They don't televise practice everyday or the royal "we" would know if he was ready.

We'll have to take our GMs word for it when he says he's ready.

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Jeff Hayes's picture

January 21, 2023 at 06:36 pm

If they lose Love for an over the hill 150 million dollar mistake this teams future is fried for at least 10 years, Love is the future NOT a 40 year old one foot out the door QB. Should have trade Rodgers last year before paying him but now they're stuck

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PatrickGB's picture

January 21, 2023 at 07:08 pm

Think of all the cap money the team would have if they traded Rodgers and did not sign Love!

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 21, 2023 at 08:49 pm

I gave you a thumbs up because I almost spit my drink on my monitor.

Needed a good laugh.

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vin0770's picture

January 21, 2023 at 07:20 pm

The decision is easy this year because they made their bed last year.

So he’s the backup because you need one or he’s the starter and AR is gone. One is very likely.

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stockholder's picture

January 21, 2023 at 07:24 pm

You got to Love the Packers Front Office.
Not knowing a good thing when you have it.
Signed- Jerry Jones

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:20 am

Yeah, they have a good thing in Love and Murphy doesn't know it. Imagine, losing both AR to retirement after this upcoming season and Love to free agency because they didn't pick up his 5th year option. Won't 2024 be a wonderful season if/when that happens?

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Rossonero's picture

January 21, 2023 at 09:47 pm

If the Packers exercise the 5th year option on Love, then financially that's a terrible position to be in -- along with Rodgers' contract.

When that happens -- hopefully in May -- then that should help make up Rodgers' mind (unless he already has made up his mind by that time).

My hope is, Rodgers still wants to play elsewhere, and it'll force the front office to trade him. The goodness that came out of Adams wanting out was, we wound up getting Wyatt and Watson out of it, as well as keeping Douglas and Campbell. That's 4 players for the price of 1. Essentially a soft rebuild.

Now it's time to rip the band-aid off and trade Rodgers. I appreciate everything he did for the Packers, but it's time to move on after Love has had 3 years to prepare.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 21, 2023 at 10:27 pm

He said he'd make up his mind before Free Agency kicked off, so we'll know sooner rather than later...

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January 22, 2023 at 09:42 pm

Thanks for letting me know. That's even better that he won't drag it out.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 21, 2023 at 09:51 pm

I'd take it...

15 Myles Murphy EDGE | Clemson

45 Rashee Rice WR | SMU

78 Cedric Tillman WR | Tennessee

115 Zack Kuntz TE | Old Dominion

149 Trey Dean III S | Florida

170 Nick Saldiveri OT | Old Dominion

233 Derek Parish DL | Houston

236 Connor Galvin OT | Baylor

243 Dee Winters LB | TCU

255 Latavious Brini CB | Arkansas

258 Tyreque Jones S | Boise State

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stockholder's picture

January 21, 2023 at 10:37 pm

Love Rice.

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January 22, 2023 at 10:51 am

Egg-fried Rice?

Me too!

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January 21, 2023 at 11:19 pm

I don't think we should go WR in both the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I like Rice and Tillman a lot, but not both. In 99.9% of situations, Murphy is not going to fall to #15, but that would be INSANE for us if he did.

Parish is a bit undersized for a DL. Dean is not a great Safety prospect, and we ought to address the position WAY earlier. Brian Branch of Alabama or JL Skinner of Boise St. are my two favorite early round prospects, while Jammie Robinson of Florida St, Avery Young of Rutgers, Sydney Brown of Illinois, or Ji'Ayir Brown of Penn. St. all could be good later round picks. I like Galvin as an OT.

I do not like Zack Kuntz at all. He has no blocking ability - he is just a big WR. I would like him better if we got another TE who is a great blocker, like Michael Mayer or Darnell Washington. I think we have to pick at least 2 TEs in 2023 - our TE room is barren for 2023, with Austin Allen being the only true TE under contract for 2023.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 21, 2023 at 11:55 pm

You have to take into consideration Gutey's history of 3rd round picks...

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January 22, 2023 at 01:00 am

Ha Ha! True, which is why I think we should use our 3rd-rounder in some way to trade up or down - regardless, I don't want us to be picking in round 3!

Also, potential Rodgers and Preston Smith trade compensation could be included, perhaps? We'll know soon enough.

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January 22, 2023 at 10:58 am

Yeah, wouldn't it be nice to have whatever trade compensation we could get for Rodgers, Smith, and Aaron Jones? In a perfect world we'd get at minimum a 1st this year and a 1st next year, plus whatever else. The 1st next year could be wielded on a QB if Love played well below our expectations. (I think he'll be just fine, but it would be nice to have an extra 1st next year if it didn't happen to work out the way we hope it will...)

I too hope Gutey uses his 3rd round pick to move around and trade up or down! (No matter what!)

If in fact we do trade AR12, I hope Gutey drafts a WR in the 1st round, just as final Goodbye to AR12... I would find that hilarious.

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January 22, 2023 at 11:21 am

I think if we get a first round pick for AR, it will likely be in 2024, not 2023. Whichever team gets him will likely be making a push to go all-in this year due to how his contract inflates over time. The Jets perfectly fir that description.

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January 22, 2023 at 12:34 pm

Round three Keeanu Benton, DT, Badgers. It obviously is not the round, but the crew doing the Drafting.

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January 22, 2023 at 12:23 pm

Rice and Tillman will be gone by #40.

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January 21, 2023 at 10:14 pm

15. Jalen Carter DT Georgia

45. Andre Carter II EDGE Army

78. Luke Musgrave TE Oregon State

114. Elijah Higgins WR Stanford

147. Nathaniel Dell WR Houston (Wicked Returner)

202. Gervarrius Owens S Houston

211. Kenderick Duncan S Louisville

221. Zion Nelson OT Miami (FL)

PFN doesn't have all our draft picks... SMH

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January 21, 2023 at 11:25 pm

Jalen Carter will not fall that low. Period.

Andre Carter is an interesting prospect. I like him a lot as a player, but he is committed to the Army, which would potentially jeopardize his NFL availability. I would not spend a 2nd on him.

Musgrave is interesting - He could either be the next Travis Kelce or he could be a flop; kind of like the Christian Watson of TEs in this year's draft - except instead of technical questions, it is injury-related - he only played 2 games this year, but he did look good. I would not be unsatisfied with Musgrave.

I love the pick of Higgins. He is a tremendous blocker, and weight something like 230 lbs(!).

I would not take a WR right after him, though. I don't think RS is one of GB's needs with the emergence of Nixon, and Dell is way too small and not enough of a blocker for the Packers FO to pick him.

Also, we need to address safety before the 6TH ROUND! It is probably our second worst position, the worst being TE.

PFN has not included any of the comp picks, I see. We also have the Jags' and Rams' 7th rounders as part of trades.

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January 22, 2023 at 11:05 am

I believe the military has made concessions on military who have been drafted recently. Don't hold me to that, but without googling anything, I believe that to be the case now.

If we don't sign Nixon we have to have a returner. Nixon proved that this year and Dell is a wicked returner! Dell wouldn't be drafted for his blocking, for sure, but he would fill a void on this team.

Love Higgins.

Jalen Carter fell because more QBs and WRs were taken high than I would expect in real life.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 22, 2023 at 12:40 pm

He's been given the green light and out of his commitment. Reserve Duty after Pros, not certain of the deal ? They still have Bo Melton's rights. He can return kicks.

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January 22, 2023 at 12:44 pm

Like the Zion Nelson pick. He probably moves up the board.

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January 21, 2023 at 10:41 pm

@ 15 Bijan Robinson RB- Texas
@ 45 Rashee Rice. WR- SMU
@ 78 John M Schmitz C. - Minn.
@ 115 Tucker Kraft TE SD.state Going Up!
@ 149 Zack Kuntz. TE. Old Dominion
@ 170 Hunter Lukepke FB NDSU
@ 219 Tyler Harrell WR Alabama
@ 237 Charlie Jones. WR Purdue
@ 240 Taulia Tagovailoa QB Maryland

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 21, 2023 at 11:20 pm

What about defense! LOL.

Also Tagovailoa is returning to Maryland - we couldn't get him in 2023 if we wanted to.

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January 22, 2023 at 08:04 am

I did an offensive draft because it fixes the TE Room.
It enables a trade of Jones to Miami.
Gets a franchise RB. Better than Mayor!
It brings in a back-up center. Dump Hanson.
And Finds a replacement for Lazard.
Also a great FB all for the Red Zone!
The defensive side =
With Gary and Stokes returning.
No one would start after pick 30.
So offense works Best.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 08:54 am

Zack Kuntz alone does NOT fix our barren TE room!

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2023 at 08:58 am

He's on the freak lists.
His length is what stands out for blocking.
Comparison is Mercedes Lewis.
He will beat out Davis.

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January 22, 2023 at 12:49 pm

Schmitz won't leave the top of the second round. He can replace either Myers or Runyan. Luepke has better feet than Dillon and I loved Dillon coming out of BC. He is more than a FB.

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January 22, 2023 at 08:55 am

Yep- 3 days ago. Said he was going back to Maryland.
Good move by him.

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January 21, 2023 at 11:29 pm

Since we all are sending out Mock Drafts, I thought I'd join in:

15: TE Michael Mayer, Notre Dame - The best TE prospect in quite some time - great as a receiver and blocker. The Packers need to add to their pass-catching arsenal, and they also fill their largest need with the selection of Mayer.
45: EDGE Will McDonald IV, Iowa St. - McDonald has the speed to complement the power of Gary. He collected north of 27 sacks with the Cyclones, even though he was being mis-used in the Cyclones' defense. He has a bendy, wiry frame that is surprisingly strong.
78: WR Xavier Hutchinson, Iowa St. - Great as a deep threat and a possession receiver. An all-around great addition to become the #2 WR next to C-Wat.
115: S Ji'Ayir Brown, Penn St. - In this mock, the Packers prioritize OLB over S. Ji'Ayir Brown can play both FS and SS very well. He is a good-tackling, physical run defender in the SS position, and from FS in 2021, he snagged 6(!) picks.
149: OLB Ivan Pace Jr, Cincinnati - Pace is undersized, but also speedy. He is a very good run defender, and offers some off-ball/on-ball versatility at LB.
170: C Alex Forsyth, Oregon - Josh Myers has been underwhelming to say the least. Forsyth has great physical traits and, at very least, could become a quality #2 Center
217: DT Robert Cooper, Florida St. - Cooper is a beast at 335 lbs. He can really stuff running lanes, and provides some depth behind the trio of Slaton-Wyatt-Clark.
224: S Quindell Johnson, Memphis - The Packers need more depth at safety, and they get it here
233: CB Lance Boykin, Coastal Carolina - Boykin was a special teams ace at CC. Much like Tariq Carpenter last year, he will be drafted to carve a niche on ST's
239: TE Kemore Gamble, UCF - Gamble is a great athlete and is more of a receiving TE as opposed to a traditional in-line type.
243: RB Xazavian Valladay, Arizona St. - In an uncertain Packers RB room that will likely be without Aaron Jones, the Packers add another body to the mix of AJ Dillon, Patrick Taylor, and Tyler Goodson.

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January 22, 2023 at 08:11 am

Mayor is a total package but his field speed is limited.
Watch the film on Kraft. I say he's Kittle.

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January 22, 2023 at 08:55 am

Kraft is an interesting prospect…athletic but rather raw. Is he a good blocker?

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January 22, 2023 at 09:04 am

Yes- Excellent Hands.
COLD WEATHER TE.
Good blocker!
I can't wait for his 40.

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January 22, 2023 at 01:03 pm

Kraft in the second. Someone will take Kincaid, round one. Both are similar to Kittle, Kraft more robust @ 6'-5 255 #. Kemari Averett, Betune-Cookman for the big TE, 6"-6 and 260#. Spann-Ford is staying with the Gophers. I like Kraft the best of this bunch. I like Mayer better than Kincaid, but his speed may come into play. It would be prudent to select three TEs from this deep class. They whiffed in 2022.

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BAMABADGER's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:38 pm

You don’t need to pay a QB $50 MM to get to the NFC championship game. 49ers did for $900 K.

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January 22, 2023 at 09:51 pm

SF. just beat Dallas. Purdy wasn't a top #1 pick.
Think about the talent around him.
They're going to the championship 3 out of 4 years.
Love should be traded.

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January 23, 2023 at 08:38 am

and I'm sure he wants out of the atmosphere thats hanging over the Packers right now...he would be better off with a smarter coaching staff also...MLF will be gone in another season or two is my bet..wish he was gone now.

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January 24, 2023 at 10:20 am

Packers leadership will not turn back on AR like they didn’t with Favre. If Rodgers wants back he’ll be welcome for better or worse, and it sounds like Love will demand a trade if he stays and I wouldn’t blame him.

I can only hope Rodgers doesn’t take forever, or worse, decides and then changes his mind at the last minute. The last minute decisions is the stuff nightmares are made off for the Packers.

The Packers need to set a reasonable deadline for Aaron to choose and hold him and themselves accountable to it.

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