The Packers Have Tough Choices to Make at Quarterback
By GilMartin
The Green Bay Packers have a tough decision to make this offseason: should they pick up the fifth-year option of former first round pick Jordan Love? GM Brian Gutekunst needs to make that decision soon and the future direction of the team will be at stake.
We haven’t seen a lot of Love during the regular season. The Packers traded up to select the former Utah State star in the 2020 NFL Draft with the 26th overall pick knowing he would sit and learn behind Aaron Rodgers initially.
Rodgers responded with two league MVP seasons in 2020 and 2021 while Love continued to languish on the bench. He didn’t see the field at all in 2020, being third string behind Rodgers and Tim Boyle.
He started one game last season when Rodgers was sidelined with Covid and had mixed results in a 13-7 loss to the Chiefs in Kansas City.
Love did see action in the preseason and showed flashes of the ability that made him a first round pick but moments of inconsistency as well.
This season, Rodgers’ play has fallen off in part due to a broken thumb he suffered in Week 5 against the New York Giants and in part because of injuries and inconsistency along the offensive line and receiving corps.
Love has seen action in three games so far this year. He saw mop up duty in the season opener in Minnesota and against the Jets at Lambeau Field before replacing an injured Rodgers in the Packers Week 12 loss to the Eagles.
It was in that game that Love truly shined. He completed 6-of-9 passes for 113 yards and one touchdown while leading the team to 10 points in two drives. More importantly, Love looked decisive and confident. He showed off his arm strength and went through his progressions well without looking mechanical.
The Packers have indicated that Rodgers will start at quarterback so long as he is healthy and the team is still mathematically in the hunt for a playoff berth. In other words, until they lose one more game.
Gutekunst has since said that he’s seen enough in practice, preseason and training camps to decide on Love’s fifth-year option even though he’s only played a handful of regular-season games.
Teammates have also spoken positively about Love. De’Vondre Campbell, who face Love in practice frequently when the backup quarterback runs the scout team, spoke up about Love earlier this season saying, “He’s a starting quarterback. He’s better than a lot of starting quarterbacks.”
Another key question is what does the future hold for Rodgers? He has already said he’s close to retiring and has thought seriously about it during the past few offseasons. He has two years left on his current contract but each offseason, AR-12 will have a decision to make.
Gutekunst will have to have a heart-to-heart talk with Rodgers. If Rodgers intends to return for both remaining years of his contract, then it may not make sense to sign Love to a fifth-year option. Then, it would make more sense to possibly trade Love if they can get enough in return.
If Rodgers intends to return for just one more season, however, the Packers should pick up the option assuming Gutekunst feels confident that Love is ready to become a starting quarterback in this league. Rodgers will turn 40 next December and we have seen he is prone to injuries this season. Having a quality backup like Love around for one more season would make sense.
There have been rumors that Love doesn’t want to sit one more season behind Rodgers. It’s hard to blame him for not wanting a chance to play and show what he can do.
Remember, Rodgers sat three years behind Brett Favre before the Packers dealt Favre to the New York Jets. Love is now in his third season backing up Rodgers. A possible trade request by Love would only complicate Gutekunst’s job. Would Gutekunst be able to convince Love to stay as the backup one more year if Rodgers plans to play one more year?
One way or the other, Gutekunst must sort out the quarterback situation this offseason. He must determine what’s best for the franchise, not necessarily what’s best for any one player. The Packers have had elite quarterback play for three decades now. Figuring out how to maintain that in 2023 and beyond may be the biggest and most difficult set of decisions Gutekunst must make in an offseason full of tough choices.
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Comments (151)
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
December 17, 2022 at 11:23 am
The decision seems so clear and yet there is a never ending debate about this topic. I just hope the front office stays true to what is in the best interests of the GBP.
PackyCheese500
December 17, 2022 at 12:42 pm
I hope the FO does whatever can give the Packers the best chance of winning a ring in the next 5 years, and what is in the best interest of the Packers Football team, not in the best interest of any player, owner, or coach individually
Since'75
December 17, 2022 at 03:52 pm
Are we clinging to Gute's response in 2020 about the Love pick?
"We made that move because it was in the best interest of the GBP's"
Staying true?
Gee...it seems to me the Packers braintrust didn't have much faith in Love, so much so that they shoveled a lot of money to Rodgers to keep him around 10 months ago.
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I'm not so sure resigning Preston Smith was in the best interest of the GBP's.....in whose world did Preston earn 13.9 million this season?
I'm not so sure letting the receiver room deplete in talent over the years was in the best interest of the GBP's.
We should just keep giving Packer management a pass on everything and just keep dumping on Rodgers....after all, everything is his fault right?
Now somebody hit me with some more kool aid, Carrying this G around is getting me thirsty.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
December 17, 2022 at 05:49 pm
For years and years everyone blamed the defense for Rodgers' playoff failures. So they focus on defense in the draft. Now everyone complains about the offensive talent. This might be news to some, but the Packers only get 1 first round pick just like everyone else. And when the team is usually good, those first round picks are late in the round. If it were up to some fans, this roster woulr have 8 1st round receivers and those same fans would still blame the front office for the lack of defense.
Since'75
December 17, 2022 at 04:29 pm
Was the Joe Barry hire in the best interest of the GBP's?
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Or is the defense performance Barry's fault?
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Consider this.....
1) The defense was a problem long before Barry got here.
2) All Barry did was accept a job offer.
3) The Packers themselves have to do their due diligence in searching for the best defensive coordinator.
4) Was Joe Barry the best coordinator available? If he wasn't, then it comes down to....
5) Was the Packers hiring of Joe Barry done in the best interest of the Packers?
Consider Joe Barry's history in the NFL, now you tell me.
Hint: 0-16
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I'll find a way to pin the Barry hiring on Rodgers though, give me a few minutes.
Coldworld
December 19, 2022 at 09:21 am
Why does everything have to be on Rodgers or be such that he’s totally exonerated? Neither is true.
The problems start with Murphy, his structure, his hires and decisions. One of those is Rodgers and his contract and that is part of the problem and Rodgers attitudes to players and plays may be a subsidiary factor along with his distorted positioning given him by Murphy.
So it’s not Rodgers fault for the most part, but he’s certainly now part of the problem and had a role in prior failures too. It just time to move on for both and it won’t get better till that happens (plus a lot if other things in the Packers end). As such people don’t have to hate or blame Rodgers to rationally discuss parting ways him as part of the solution.
WestCoastPackerBacker
December 19, 2022 at 12:38 pm
The "structure" you are unhappy with has worked for other franchises and led to 3 seasons of 13 wins each. Can't be all that awful. But this year, injuries, the loss of a Hall of Fame talent at WR, and a hugely disappointing defense have led to a poor showing and a poor record. By all accounts, LaFleur hired Barry and that's the usual structure in the league. Barry's poor performance is more to blame than anything they have control over (they don't have control over broken thumb, multiple injuries to WR and offensive line). I don't see what any of that has to do with the way the FO is structured.
Rodgers won 2 MVPs in a row and I can't imagine a GM out there who wouldn't pay the guy what he was worth after those two stellar seasons. Its only in hindsight you can fault that decision. And Rodgers has high standards for the guys he throws the ball to, as does Tom Brady, as did Peyton Manning and any QB who has mastered the position. Somehow people think Rodgers high standards hurts instead of helps the Packers. Has anyone underperformed b/c of something Rodgers said or did and then gone on to succeed elsehwere with a more "friendly" QB? I don't think so. He throws to guys when they are ready. MVS had a good rookie season, as are Doubs and Watson. Rodgers regularly gives kudos to Packer players on both sides of the ball. I'm glad he doesn't throw to guys that haven't learned the nuances of the routes; that prevents interceptions. The whole "Rodgers attitudes" story is media created and supported. He's friendly with pretty much everyone he's ever played with other than Greg (I'm worth more than you think I am) Jennings, and it's obvious that one's on Jennings.
Leatherhead
December 19, 2022 at 12:57 pm
I like the structure. Previously, the GM hired the coach and had the last word on all personnel decisions. Now, the HC is a co-equal with the GM, and decision making has to be more collaborative, which decreases the likelihood of big mistakes, IMO.
I can't be unhappy that the MVP of the league has been our QB for the last two years, and consider that good management. It could have been different. The excuses for Rodgers not throwing to certain players for whatever reasons went out the window for me when we went 0-6 in goal-to-go situations against Tampa and you could see obviously open receivers ignored so that he could force the ball to Adams.
Rarescope
December 17, 2022 at 09:12 pm
The only debate is that manufactured by our beloved CHTV. They need something to write about but it’s all blah blah blah until the off-season when real decisions are made - and not by our beloved CHTV authors and/or commenters. Try to enjoy the season now, for the dreaded NFL bereft off-season is coming.
Johnblood27
December 17, 2022 at 11:19 pm
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Barnacle
December 18, 2022 at 05:26 am
Unfortunately,, the front office does not know what is in the best interest of the club?
Leatherhead
December 18, 2022 at 01:21 pm
The decision has already been made. They drafted, and developed, Love for a reason b
Ferrari-Driver
December 17, 2022 at 11:38 am
Whatever the organization decides to do with Love, I hope it doesn't involve trading him for a 3rd round draft pick.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
December 17, 2022 at 01:38 pm
I don't want to feel like the Falcon fans must have felt about Favre if the Packers trade Love.
Frankly, if the Packers trade Love there is absolutely no way they could ever get back what he should be worth. If Love leaves the team for any reason the drafting of Love was a humongous mistake.
HarryHodag
December 17, 2022 at 03:20 pm
Unless, of course, Aaron Rodgers decides to come back in '23. At that point you trade Love (and some other assets) to the Texans for the top overall pick.
Love is attractive and he's young but experienced and trained, ready to take over. Houston drafting a QB #1 is a project. Love is ready to go.
Green Bay then drafts the top QB in the draft and when Rodgers finally heads to Peru, he can take over.
If Rodgers retires, and possibly traded though unlikely, Love takes over.
Either way the Packers win.
PackyCheese500
December 17, 2022 at 03:31 pm
The Texans would never do that.
dobber
December 17, 2022 at 03:38 pm
BILL O'BRiEN! WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?
13TimeChamps
December 17, 2022 at 04:09 pm
That's what it would take for that to happen. We can dream I guess.
Coldworld
December 17, 2022 at 03:38 pm
Rodgers back in 2023 is a disaster that no pick will compensate for if it costs us Love, even if he’s only average. Worse cap hell for another 2 years and no even prepared QB in 2024 or an aging Rodgers just when Watson should be really ascending, Doubs too.
Rarescope
December 17, 2022 at 09:17 pm
Hey Coldworld, wanna borrow me your crystal ball so I can know which stocks to buy and sell next year?
Coldworld
December 18, 2022 at 08:48 am
Name the prediction there that requires scrying? The additional cap triggered if Rodgers is in the roster to start the season is set in stone. If Love isn’t here then obviously we will be starting a new QB journey behind Rodgers. The cap suggests it will be a rookie or unproven retread. Rodgers will be 40 next season. Watson, Doubs and this years rookies are likely to take a couple more seasons to reach their full potential. Rodgers will be 42 by that time. Nothing requiring clairvoyance there, just a little calm assessment.
MainePackFan
December 17, 2022 at 08:14 pm
I like your thinking Harry, but I don't see Houston trading the number one for Jordan Love. I think the Packers already know what their plan is. Both Plan A and Plan B :-)
Rarescope
December 17, 2022 at 09:15 pm
Hmmmm… interesting BERY interesting…….
WestCoastPackerBacker
December 19, 2022 at 12:40 pm
The whole point of getting a rookie QB is that cheap 4-5 year salary which gives you cap room to build up the rest of the roster. Love has in no way shown he's worth a 1st round pick, must less the very first pick.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
December 17, 2022 at 04:58 pm
Thats never going to happen. They're never going to trade him. When Gutekunst said "we know what we have" he was also saying he understands just how valuable Love is. A young ascending qb with his elite set of traits is extremely rare. The most rare commodity in the NFL. They're not letting him get away just so Rodgers can continue the super bowl charade.
Since'61
December 17, 2022 at 07:35 pm
The problem is that the Packers still don't know which elite traits Love has if any. All the more reason why they should be playing him during these final four remaining games. Whether they decide to keep him or trade him they should do so based on observation and facts in real NFL regular season games. Making decisions based on practice performance or preseason games is foolish.
If the Packers want to trade Love this is the time to showcase whatever skills he does have to enhance his trade value. Gute saying he knows what the Packers have could just be GM speak to raise Love's trade value. It could also be Gute subtly telling Murphy that I want to start Love but you stuck me with Rodgers. I don't think that we can take anything these characters say at face value. Thanks, Since '61
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Rarescope
December 17, 2022 at 09:31 pm
“I don't think that we can take anything these characters say at face value. Thanks, Since '61“
Of course not - which just goes to show go ridiculous it is to sit here and debate about what they mean/should do. It’s three dimensional chess. They need to talk to the press because it’s part or the gig. Feed the masses. It doesn’t mean anything. They’re either trying to pump value, appease other interested parties, or just getting through another meaningless press conference or any other number of possibilities. Who knows who cares? I know that hated Vikings team played one of the most entertaining nfl games ive ever seen earlier today, and gosh darn it but I can’t help but feel a kindred spirit with the bills mafia out there throwing snowballs… hmmm … that gives me an idea… if I ever go to a ball game at Lambeau I’m packing cheese curds and they’re going to be raining down on whomsoever is unfortunate enough to be playing against us!!!
Barnacle
December 19, 2022 at 10:26 am
Gute knows Love’s value, but how many trading partners know?
So in 2024 Gute could have AR for $50,000,000 plus Love on a franchise tag ($40,000,000). Hey Gute, who are you going to start at Quarterback?
Our high inexpensive draft choices should show some promise just in time for some big contracts. Of course we will be in cap hell because of our overpaid QBs. Therefor we will have trained and developed good athletes for some other teams.
Gute’s personnel retention and cap management methods do not make sense. If we offered Gute for a 7th round draft choice, I doubt any NFL ream would take him.
Fubared
December 17, 2022 at 08:59 pm
Or a 4th and a six pack.
Johnblood27
December 17, 2022 at 11:20 pm
rumor has it that when Gutey was offered a third round pick he asked for a fourth instead...
whysoserious
December 17, 2022 at 11:49 am
If Gutey believes Love is a starting quarterback, if De'Vondre believes he is al;ready better than some nfl starting quarterbacks, if Sauce Gardner believes Love to be a good quarterback then the Packers would be idiots to choose Rodgers for one more season and get rid of Love.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
December 17, 2022 at 01:39 pm
Seems so blatantly obvious Why! Are the Packer organization too close to the forest to see the trees? 🌳
Coldworld
December 18, 2022 at 08:52 am
The acceptance that Rodgers is not the future, something that many thought blatantly obvious given cap and roster last winter, would be a huge admission by Murphy of a very expensive and lingering error. Denial is much more palatable for him.
Since'61
December 17, 2022 at 07:38 pm
As Murphy said before they re-signed Rodgers, "We're not idiots." If they know what they have in Love why did they pay Rodgers $50 million dollars per year for the next 3 seasons. They had their opportunity to move on to Love during the 2022 off season and they let it pass. Thanks, Since '61
Alberta_Packer
December 17, 2022 at 08:11 pm
Calling Murphy an "idiot" now - would be an insult to idiots.
croatpackfan
December 18, 2022 at 01:31 am
I agree. So, now I apologize to all idiots for me callung Mark Murphy the Idiot. Now, I believe I deeply offended them.
Coldworld
December 18, 2022 at 09:09 am
You don't need to be an idiot to thoroughly misevaluate a situation. Indeed all great leaders have. The difference is that they don’t ignore the lessons from the real world and are willing to both reassess their assumptions and respond.
The test for idiocy is standing resolutely behind an obvious mistake once its flaws are in plain sight. The test for Murphy is now: the next few months. Should he fail it then that epithet will be appropriate.
One might argue that the reluctance to test Love is a sign of an inability to face up to and learn the lessons of experience. Not a good augury, but as yet there is still time for partial redemption.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
December 18, 2022 at 11:54 am
AP,
So true!
WestCoastPackerBacker
December 19, 2022 at 12:46 pm
All Gutey has done is built up a roster decimated by Ted Thompson's later years at GM, bring the QB back to MVP level with the roster and coaching and had 3 seasons in a row of 13 wins. Now they suffer injuries and loss of top receiving talent and Gutey is an idiot? There are some real idiots out there running NFL teams, but none of them reside in Green Bay or the surrounding area. There are some idiotic fans that think they know better than guys who have spent their entire careers scouting NFL talent.
Yes, he's an idiot for wasting a pick on Rashan Gary. How's that look now? He's an idiot for not getting a first round WR in 2022. How's his second round pick looking now? How about finding guys like Campbell, Rudy Ford and Rasul Douglas? Is that being such an idiot it insults idiots to call him one?
These ridiculous fans cannot tolerate a down year, which much of the rest of the league's fan have done for decades. But GB fans are so spoiled, they whine every time someone's decision doesn't work out. And they whine with the hindsight the front office didn't have when they made their decisions.
It's got to spoil the fan experience. It would for me anyway.
Guam
December 18, 2022 at 08:05 am
That is the question, isn't t Since'61? I suspect they weren't sure of what they had in Love, just like they weren't sure what they had in Rodgers during his second year. If Love blossoms this year (his third) like Rodgers did in his third, that contract is going to look very foolish.
I really wish they would play Love during the last several games this year so they can be sure of what they have - one way or the other. It would make the offseason decisions much clearer.
Coldworld
December 18, 2022 at 08:57 am
‘61, they don’t know, that’s the point. Just as Ted didn’t know in 2008 when he drafted Brohm and Flynn. You can’t know till it’s tested in anger. TT was just honest enough to admit that. Gute, to be fair, couldn’t without inviting cries of why aren’t you playing Love now then? That’s a call he’s not able to make, Murphy has to, and Murphy is the reason Rodgers is still here at great cost.
Murphy also predicted Rodgers would win another MVP in that statement. With that cap and the roster, that should give pause for thought about the acuity of his perception.
Since'61
December 18, 2022 at 10:48 am
Agree CW. Murphy tied the FOs hands which is why they don't know what they have. Thanks, Since '61
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
December 18, 2022 at 12:00 pm
Since,
Rodgers was back-to-back MVP and if they didn't resign him Packer fans would have roasted Murphy & the organization. Period! They lacked gonads and foresight and took the safe route resigning Rodgers. Murphy for Christ sakes offered Favre $20,000,000 to stay retired. Who is the idiot?
Love was also only 23-years of age when Rodgers was signed and he essentially did not have a rookie year due to covid. There are a lot of moving parts with the aforementioned. Love has now matured and has had enough experience and appears to have refined his focus in preparation. I have said this before but covid set Love back one full year in his development, which had a huge impact on the decision to resign Rodgers. If Rodgers contract was up this offseason with Love's obvious development it would be interesting to see if the Packer brass would still resign Rodgers?
croatpackfan
December 19, 2022 at 01:35 am
It is not why they extended ACR contract. It is how they did it. If you wants to add another year to evaluate back up, you do not sign that long term SC cripling contract, but, maybe rich up to maximum you can spend, one year deal with possibility to extend it. And not all guaranteed.
Coldworld
December 19, 2022 at 09:24 am
The decision was questionable, what they gave up in terms if money, cap flexibility and control was heinous and irresponsible.
Coldworld
December 17, 2022 at 12:22 pm
The only thing that would shed light in this dilemma is seeing Love play, but the Packers can’t or won’t face up to the reality that next year is the mindset to win something from the disaster of this season. That probably suggests that next season will be shaped by similarly abject strategies, coaching and personnel choices.
canadapacker
December 17, 2022 at 12:52 pm
You are 100% correct - but the way that the Vikes are playing lately - losing already badly to the Colts??? It is not impossible for us to get to where Love will NOT Play this year. I would really like to see him play both against the Vikes and the Lions - only can hope that both Washington and the Giants can get enough wins to beat us out and then let Lafleur put Love in. As far as the 5th year option - I believe that that is a no brainer - it will be approx 19 mill because he has not played many snaps in his career. So while our total QB spending is high - he is a bargain and even at that it would be a tradeable commodity at the price. Or maybe even extend him . So if AR comes back and Love remains - much like Jimmy G - then the moves can be made during training camp next year.
PackyCheese500
December 17, 2022 at 01:28 pm
We have already been eliminated from the NFC North title. Best we could do is a Wild-Card
canadapacker
December 17, 2022 at 05:22 pm
I know/knew that - it just seems that the Vikes are playing lousy D so we should be able to beat them and now that they are in - they might rest some of their players. Of course our great play it off DC will still have to find a way to stop Jefferson.
Coldworld
December 17, 2022 at 06:07 pm
Biggest comeback ever …. Getting it out of the way while we are irrelevant at least.
BirdDogUni
December 18, 2022 at 09:28 am
The fact that they were down 33 - ZIP to the lowly Colts is a testament to the team to the west.
I guess our defensive coordinator isn't the only one who needs termination.
splitpea1
December 17, 2022 at 12:22 pm
If Love plays well again (that's if he ever gets the chance), and Rodgers decides to return, then he should demand a trade in no uncertain terms. He's already hinted that he's not interested in sitting for another season. And who can blame him? The poor guy is turning into a fossil as the Packer organization continues to dick around with their improbable playoff possibilities.
You don't draft a QB in the first round and expect him to sit for four (!) years--or really anywhere close.
PackyCheese500
December 17, 2022 at 12:40 pm
If Rodgers ends up returning, then the Packers (specifically the coaches) need to make it clear to him that Jordan Love will be the QB1 in 2023, and that it will be Rodgers sitting behind Love. It does not make sense for the coaches to take any other course of action in 2023
Of course, if we end up retaining MLF and Barry, that probably won't happen. MLF has no guts and Barry has no sense.
TarynsEyes
December 17, 2022 at 12:57 pm
That will never happen. If I was Rodgers, and they say that, I'm claiming a back injury, go to IL for the season, and collect no go money while insuring I can't be the backup to Love. An egotist like Rodgers will not go simply into the night passively. In this case, revenge for Rodgers will rule over his need to play. I'd expect the FO to counter with a trade that will result in very little return and still in cap hell.
PackyCheese500
December 17, 2022 at 01:13 pm
That is probably what would happen.
But, hypothetically, wouldn't the coaches have power over who starts and sits? The players couldn't control that, right? Unless your coach is Matt LaFleur
TarynsEyes
December 17, 2022 at 01:29 pm
That's the $59 million dollar question, for next year, at least.
Philarod
December 18, 2022 at 10:27 am
Call him an egotist as you will, but what QB who is remotely in Rodgers's class would just willingly become the backup or happily retire with lots of $ on the table and (most likely) the ability to still play at a high level? I'll start the bidding with nobody.
croatpackfan
December 21, 2022 at 01:43 am
You have one small wrong assumption:
"...(most likely) the ability to still play at a high level?"
The ability to continue playing at a high level for ACR is not "most likely", but questionable to say the least. For his sake and the team's sake, he should retire and collect the money.
13TimeChamps
December 17, 2022 at 03:14 pm
No way in hell will GB, or anyone else for that matter, pay someone $50 million to be a backup. Never gonna happen. That would be totally asinine.
Johnblood27
December 17, 2022 at 11:24 pm
...and Packers FO aren't idiots, right?
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
December 18, 2022 at 12:19 pm
I firmly believe Gutey has already seen enough of Love that he is planning on resigning Love to the 5th year option. No, I do not expect Love to be traded. He is the future at QB for the Packers and there wouldn't be anyone wiling to trade enough draft capital for him at this point to even consider a trade.
As everyone is saying ad nauseum Love just has to play and not a total of a game or so the rest of the year in order to truly evaluate him. I'm convinced the Packers know exactly what they have in Love, which is he is going to be a very good QB in the NFL. The Packers have a plan which is why I believe there is a very good chance Rodgers leaves for another team in 2023. Everything to do with Rodgers is all about Public Relations and the Packers have to handle it like your very best dining room china. The Packers absolutely cannot afford to lose Jordan Love as he is the future. I have no doubt there have already been talks with Rodgers and there will continue to be conversations with Rodgers going into the off-season. At minimum, the Packers have to let Rodgers know if he comes back there will be an open competition between him and Jordan Love in 2023. There is zero chance Rodgers would be willing to take a back-up position if Love out performs him. There is still a lot of things that can happen between now and the rest of the season but at present I am convinced Rodgers is traded in the offseason, or in worst case scenario both Rodgers and Love is on the team in 2023. I do not see Love traded in any scenario because he is the future of the GBP's.
PackyCheese500
December 17, 2022 at 12:44 pm
There was no mention of a Rodgers trade in this article. I am curious why this is, as this is a very real, possible, and practical possibility.
BirdDogUni
December 18, 2022 at 09:30 am
Only if AR wants to be traded and tells them that's what they are going to do, If you haven't realized it, AR is driving this train as long as he wants to.
Alberta_Packer
December 17, 2022 at 02:37 pm
Management should pickup Love's 5th year as much as they should have traded Rodgers last off-season. Both would have been, or be, for the betterment of team. However this front office has not been endowed with much good sense. Also, speaking of contracts, when does Murphy's expire?
Coldworld
December 17, 2022 at 03:42 pm
Not soon enough. Man has wasted Rodgers and then screwed the franchise to boot.
Alberta_Packer
December 17, 2022 at 05:33 pm
Sad but true.
Since'75
December 17, 2022 at 04:44 pm
Congrats!!
Someone finally with the good sense to look at Packer Management.
Good job Alberta_Packer
NickPerry
December 17, 2022 at 05:12 pm
There's plenty of regular posters who comment about Packers management. It all STARTS with management, Mark Murphy specifically. Once Murphy became more involved, acting like a "Wanna Be" team president, this team has taken a turn for the worse each season. It started with Murphy's "Silos", continued when HE hired MLF, and had interfered with Brian Gutekunst being a GM with the same power as Ted Thompson or Ron Wolf.
Until Murphy is GONE, and another GM is put in place in TOTAL CONTROL of football operations, THIS will be the Green Bay Packers.
Alberta_Packer
December 17, 2022 at 05:49 pm
I'm just waiting for one of the CHTV writers to post an article just "MURPHY" and let the opinions and comments fall where they may.
Since'75
December 17, 2022 at 07:58 pm
Yea Nick, i'll agree and add a bit.
Murphy said...he discovered silo's while searching for a new GM.
When he first said that in early 2018....i instantly thought to myself...well....you've been working with them since 2007 as President. And you JUST discovered this in 2018?
Apparently, they ALL had silo's up.
Anyway...i just want a purge in upper management, they need some new voices and new attitudes.
Hopefully they change the by-laws back to where Ron Wolf wanted them so the GM can run football operations with some authority and decision making
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On the other hand i'm grateful i got to sit ringside during a 3 decade run of 2 HOF QB's.
That just doesn't happen in the NFL and will probably never happen again.
Some Packer fans don't realize, having HOF QB's for 30 years isn't automatic.
Which they will soon discover.
Those are the fans who disrespect what we've been blessed with for so long.
Those are the fans...who don't know any better.
Favre and Rodgers both have things us Packer fans don't like....so what.
They are two of the top icons in the NFL. Two of the best.
They gave their heart and soul to this team and will forever be Green Bay Packer legions.
Show some pride and show some respect.
Johnblood27
December 17, 2022 at 11:28 pm
Show some pride and show some respect.
...and then show Rodgers and Murphy the door...
Since'75
December 18, 2022 at 04:27 am
That's about what i expected here.
Johnblood27
December 18, 2022 at 10:22 am
rodgers gets all the respect he deserves.
appreciation for the talent he has displayed throughout his HOF career? Absolutely. He deserves and has earned that.
respect is different and doesnt come only from being a standout performer. there is more to gaining respect than playing a boys game as a man. He has failed at many of the other categories outside football related statistics, and many of those categories are what lead to Championship team leadership.
Count the rings and continue your fantasy Rodgers sycophancy.
Since'75
December 18, 2022 at 07:37 pm
Thanks for the clarification Webster.
That's what i enjoy most, being given the opportunity to learn from fine people such as yourself.
Thank you for educating.
Johnblood27
December 18, 2022 at 08:48 pm
ya know Im trying to be reasonable with you, but you sure do not make it easy.
i express my opinion, yet i don't talk in absolutes like everybody needs to feel the same as i do, differences are ok. when i start saying my way of looking at things is the only way and everyone else is wrong, call me names.
so just keep your smart mouth to yourself and i dont need any nicknames from the likes of you.
if your expectations are not being met here, then take your show on the road to a site that can meet your lofty expectations. im sure there are many for you to choose from, but dont bother with the mensa site.
BirdDogUni
December 18, 2022 at 11:16 am
How many millions of dollars did the organization pay them?
"They gave their heart and soul to this team and will forever be Green Bay Packer legions (sic)."
Seems to me Favre flipped us the double-bird and played for the viks... You can rewrite history all you want, but TT and Gutey haven't put enough talent around Favre or Rodgers for sustained Championship success.
Mark Murphy should be launched from a Silo.
What happens when Jordan Love makes it 3 in a row? (HOFer QBs)
I wasn't happy with TT for drafting AR, but after Farve threw late in the flat to lose the '07 NFCCG at home, I was ready for AR to take over. I was happy Favre retired. I was happy when TT traded him to the Jets.
I'll be happy if Gutey trades AR to the Jets.
I am ready for Jordan Love to lead the Green Bay Packers, even if the organization isn't.
We are at the end of another era, let's just hope whoever is leading this organization in the near future is able to surround our QB with more/better weapons. Better depth. Better schemes. FFS, a better Defensive Coordinator.
/End Rant
Alberta_Packer
December 18, 2022 at 01:43 pm
"Mark Murphy should be launched from a Silo." Poetic.
ricky
December 17, 2022 at 03:17 pm
The Packers had a similar question a lot of years ago, when they had an aging Favre under center, and a young, unknown quantity in Rodgers sitting on the bench. In that case, they chose wisely. In the short term, it was difficult. Over the long term, they were proved to have made the right decision. Now, because the front office made a major mistake in re-signing Rodgers, there is the debate of what to do with Love. At this point, the best thing to do would be (tacitly) admit the error, trade Rodgers for whatever you could get for him, and make Love the starter. Could Rodgers have another MVP and/or a SB in him? Sure. But, as Kevin Greene said to Clay Matthews in the Super Bowl, "It is time!" And in this case, it's time to move on to the next era.
Coldworld
December 17, 2022 at 03:46 pm
If Rodgers does, it’s not here with this cap situation and all that entails. More likely he’s going to be like the post GB Favre
HarryHodag
December 17, 2022 at 03:23 pm
The entire 'what to do with Love' argument is based on Aaron Rodgers' future. If Rodgers returns, and as cash strapped as the Packers will be, it's unlikely they will fork up the money for Love.
In an earlier post I outlined a trade that would bring the Packers a positive outcome.
PackyCheese500
December 17, 2022 at 03:28 pm
Duplicate
13TimeChamps
December 17, 2022 at 03:37 pm
Duplicate
Johnblood27
December 17, 2022 at 11:31 pm
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PackyCheese500
December 17, 2022 at 03:29 pm
If Rodgers returns the coaches need to make it clear that Love will be the QB1. It is not fair to Love otherwise,
But that is unlikely.
13TimeChamps
December 17, 2022 at 03:38 pm
I'm trying to understand the logic behind having Rodgers backing up Love next year. I'm not finding any. If Love legitimately wins the job during camp, that's another matter altogether. Although that doesn't seem to be a part of your thought process.
Assuming he doesn't retire, the options are either trade him, release him or play him. Benching him achieves nothing.
13TimeChamps
December 17, 2022 at 03:51 pm
By the way, I would have no issue with the Packers informing Rodgers if plans on returning next year, he would have to fairly compete with Love for the QB1 position. But to just hand it to Love is wrong on a number of levels. I could see the NFLPA getting involved as well, not to mention a divided locker room.
PackyCheese500
December 17, 2022 at 06:33 pm
Fair points you make. My reasoning is that if they cannot find a suitable trade partner for Rodgers, then why should that hurt Love's development? Hold a fair competition, but remember that Love is the future
Since'75
December 17, 2022 at 08:55 pm
I'm not sure why anyone would think Love could beat out Rodgers in camp.
Because of his 10 snaps against the Eagles in the 4th quarter?
Better yet, i would be shocked if someone tried to tell Rodgers this. or even attempt to.
But just for grins, just for entertainment. 😁
Lets say they compete in camp, and for whatever reason Love is named the starter, Rodgers will make 3.5 million PER GAME, holding a clipboard...lol
Could you imagine ......😮
The Packers would be the laughing stock of the NFL.
They'd show Rodgers on the sidelines multiple times during EVERY game, telling that story and what he's making.
The Packers would look like fools.
barutanseijin
December 17, 2022 at 09:56 pm
Why would anyone think Love could beat out Rodgers in camp?
Maybe because we're not living in the past and we're seeing some shitty QB play from a certain #12.
Johnblood27
December 17, 2022 at 11:34 pm
didn't it come out that in all the favre-gate back-and-forth that McCarthy told favre that he would have to compete for the starting job with rodgers if he decided to come back... and when he did come back they shipped him out of town.
Since'75
December 18, 2022 at 04:21 am
Love beating out Rodgers?
Whatever makes you feel good.
Keep the dream alive boys
Johnblood27
December 18, 2022 at 10:18 am
rodgers has NOT been great this season.
love is a very talented and now after 3 seasons somewhat seasoned.
stranger things have happened.
nobody thought mahomes would push alex smithout the door in kc either.
Since'75
December 18, 2022 at 07:59 pm
Yes, Love looked seasoned good in his 3 minutes and 6 pass completions of work.
Now who is this rookie 7th round pick Brock Purdy i keep hearing about.
I think they call him Mr. irrelevant?
Between Purdy and Love, who has impressed you more?
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You're absolutely right Johnny,
Rodgers hasn't been great this season.
HOW DARE HE...be anything but great...EVER!!
I mean, who does he think he is....human?
**************
Funny thing John....
I remember back in 2015 Packer fans writing Rodgers off.
Wanting Hundley to start of all things.
Rodgers had substandard seasons with passer ratings in the (gulp) 90's
I'll tell you what i told them back then.
1)That i would ride with Rodgers until he is no longer a Green Bay Packer
2)Rodgers didn't just forget how to play QB (especially directly after two mvp's)
.
Here's the truth Johnny....A lot QB's would be happy to have a career of Rodgers "worst years".
Rodgers worst years, are pretty damn good to a lot of QB's.
Lol...Yea, i don't think Love is pushing anyone out the door Johnny...lol
Is that based on Love's 3 minutes and 19 seconds body of work?
That's cute. 😏
Johnblood27
December 18, 2022 at 08:50 pm
do you know the meaning of the word 'somewhat'?
you can keep rodgers and start your own franchise. you both deserve it.
Since'75
December 19, 2022 at 06:39 pm
Oh come on now Johnny, were just having fun spitballing.
Chinupnsmile my friend.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
December 18, 2022 at 01:03 pm
First, the Packers are already look like fools & the laughing stock in the league because.....
1. Drafting Love when the did and then not playing him How many times have they shown Love on the sidelines during games and talking about the draft capital to select him?
2. Signing Rodgers to his rediculous contract
3. Not playing Love to see what we have in him
4. Playing Rodgers over Love with a cracked thumb & injured ribs.
5. Pretending the Packers have a chance to make the playoffs, so they can continue to play Rodgers.
Since'75
December 17, 2022 at 08:38 pm
I'm not sure why anyone wonders if Rodgers returns next season.
Who walks away from 59 million dollars...seriously.
Packers 5th year option Love.
Rodgers guaranteed money ends next season, he retires after 2023 and him and the Packers walk away clean and drama free, like they should.
Love starts for the Green Bay Packers in 2024. Simple.
It's my guess, but i believe that's how its going down.
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It's been reported Gute signed a 5 year extension, so the way i have it laid out is Gute can see his 2020 plan actually put into play.
Then Love and Gute are either going to climb the mountain, or die trying, but they'll be doing it together.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
December 18, 2022 at 01:05 pm
Where I differ is I believe Rodgers plays for several more years. At minimum, thru 2024 with a decent probability beyond. I can only imagine how tough it is to walk away in your early 40's if you are still able to play.
Rodgers will be back next year without any question but the question is will he be with the GBP's? To me....that is the question!
Coldworld
December 17, 2022 at 03:50 pm
Unless Love is utter rubbish, you don’t trade him away to keep a 40 year old QB on a cap strapped roster that is likely finishing with an under 50% record or close. That’s would be the most ludicrous decision imaginable.
Since'75
December 18, 2022 at 08:17 pm
Along those same lines....
Why invest a 1st and 4th round pick in somebody you clearly wanted, trained and invested 3 years in him. And trade him for a late round draft pick?
That would be like Gute admitting, he's not very good at his job.
Since'75
December 20, 2022 at 06:27 am
Rodgers has 59.3 million reasons to come back next season. I don't understand the "if Rodgers returns" thought process.
The...what to do with Love argument was decided by Murphy/Gute when they handed Rodgers a winning lottery ticket 10 months ago.
I think they 5th year option Love, because they want to see it through.
I could be wrong but i think Rodgers retires in 2024 and Love gets the starting nod.
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You don't trade Love away because....
1) You don't get enough in return.
2) You have 3 years of training in him, plus 10 million dollars so far
3) He knows this offense, he (should) be ready to start
4) Don't use another #1 pick on a QB before you give Love a chance.
5) The Packers owe Love the starting job because they screwed him by giving Rodgers more money, thus making Love sit on the bench longer.
6) If they traded him, it exposes what a colossal mistake it was drafting him, instead of drafting a receiver when the team was on the cusp of getting to the SB.
The voice of reason.
croatpackfan
December 17, 2022 at 03:31 pm
"There have been rumors that Love doesn’t want to sit one more season behind Rodgers."
As I understood correctly that was only assumption from one reporter. Love never said anything that could be interpreted that way. Even that reporter confirmed that.
Love is not ACR. He is decent human being.
Coldworld
December 17, 2022 at 03:50 pm
Not really a reporter, local sports talk personality. In his own words, Love didn’t say anything close to that, but he (the radio guy) inferred it from the overall conversation they had.
stockholder
December 17, 2022 at 04:16 pm
Rodgers went through Hell to get a shot at the playoffs. He didn't pack it in. He will be back.
And he'll be back next year if Tom, Jenkins, Myers, Runyan, and Nijman, keep producing.
He'll bitch and complain, if his friends leave. But the trade off, is DUMPING LOVE.
And He'll be coming back as long as Gutey keeps getting Weapons. Another Wr. is #1.
And we all know how those 3rd and shorts, turn into bombs. Gutey already wants a TE.
So get those two; and he will come back. Forget trading him. He isn't going to ask for a Trade.
He's a legend and MVP. And he won't die like Johnny Unitas. He's the reason for GB Glory.
People will remember him. For playing with such bad defenses. And how, No one could have done it better.
If the defense was committed as Rodgers. The Packers wouldn't have to worry about their decisions.
But I'm going to point out something your not seeing. The Team got rid of players because they wanted more
playing Time.
The Quote was," if they're not committed to the TEAM." Then they get dumped!
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
December 17, 2022 at 04:52 pm
Lmfao Rodgers has been wavering for years but you never batted an eyelash. Some journalist says, in his opinion, that Love will seek a trade next year and you question his commitment? Is this 12's burner account? Cmon man.
Fubared
December 17, 2022 at 04:45 pm
After just seeing all the talent the Vikes have accumulated, most of that talent has speed to so whomever is the QB, this team is going nowhere fast.
Seriously I see the pack at the bottom of the heap for years to come.
Gm and Management have drafted poorly and gave away the farm so your not going to fill holes with top free agents that ship has sailed.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
December 17, 2022 at 04:50 pm
All the Packers do is draft speed. Not really sure what you're talking about here. Vikings look so much better because they dont have a qb fighting his own organization for control over everything at the expense of his own team's well being.
Alberta_Packer
December 17, 2022 at 07:03 pm
Your QBs perspective is more cogent than Gutekunst's draft record.
Since'75
December 18, 2022 at 08:26 pm
Yea!!...it's all Rodgers fault!!
No receivers coming into the season...Rodgers fault.
Having to rely on 2 rookie receivers for success on offense...Rodgers fault.
All 3rd round draft pick bust the last 5 years...somehow, probably Rodgers fault
I could go on, and on, and on and.... 😏
Man...i love learning new things from all you fine people.
NickPerry
December 17, 2022 at 05:28 pm
At least your consistent with your love for the "Vikes". I lived in Minnesota for 19 years and the only people I can think of who call the Vikings "The Vikes" are Vikings fans. I just don't understand why you continue to come here and spew this nonsense.
Personally I think Gute has drafted pretty well for the most part. Matter of fact in 2 or 3 years I can't wait to see how many GOD to GREAT starters we have out of 2022 draft.
Walker was young and inexperienced and Wyatt has started to flash. Watson, Tom, Doubs, Engabare have all looked REALLY good.
Go back to The Daily Norseman and post comments about hanging another NFC North banner because that's ALL "The Vikes" will EVER HAVE to hang!!!
LOL ... How sad!
PackyCheese500
December 17, 2022 at 06:36 pm
It can still be fixed this offseason, but it is required to trade veterans.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
December 17, 2022 at 04:48 pm
How is it even a tough choice at this point? On one hand we have an expensive and difficult player whos clearly on the downside of his career. On the other hand we have a young and hungry player whos ascending and affordable. I feel like were in the twilight zone right now.
Untylu1968
December 17, 2022 at 05:25 pm
Once again, we are failing to understand that we have the never aging, never needing to be replaced "GOAT" on our squad! All he needs is a new receiving Corp, a revamped Oline, and a top 5 Defense, and we're back in the superbowl conversation. All of this should be a piece of cake, once we're done doling out 50 some million out to a 40 year old QB.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
December 17, 2022 at 05:43 pm
rOdGeRs FoReVeR!!!!
tommynak
December 17, 2022 at 05:36 pm
You say in your article "and then it would make more sense to trade Love". Yes there is a QB that needs to be traded but his name is Rodgers not Love. While it is going to be 1 to 2 years late and the haul you could have gotten will not be as great but the Packers brass needs to cut bait with Rodgers and get out from under as much as they can from this horrendous extension they signed AR to. It's time to move on from Rodgers the same way in which Favre, Montana, Manning were moved late in their careers. It's Jordan Love time and I for one can't wait to see what it holds.
Hematite
December 18, 2022 at 06:45 am
I agree wholeheartedly!
pantz_bURp
December 17, 2022 at 06:03 pm
While I will agree, #12 isn't always the problem...I have to mention, he most certainly isn't the solution either.
I just hope he comes out with a word he spells:
"J-E-T-S"
PackyCheese500
December 17, 2022 at 06:38 pm
You and I both!
Alberta_Packer
December 17, 2022 at 07:20 pm
Dear Santa,
My wish this year is to have Rodgers traded - it does not matter where. I know that it was also my wish last year but with covid and everything - things may have been a bit askew.
Yours truly,
A. P.
PackyCheese500
December 17, 2022 at 08:01 pm
You can add PC500 to the end of that letter!
croatpackfan
December 18, 2022 at 01:47 am
Add one overseas to back up your kindly request.
Hematite
December 18, 2022 at 06:48 am
Sign "Hematite" on to that missive as well please!
Leatherhead
December 19, 2022 at 01:05 pm
It will happen. Rodgers will not be back next year. He will retire, or more likely, he'll be traded. The Packers didn't trade up to pick Love so that they could not play him. The GM thinks he's ready, people who play against him in practice and games think he's ready, and he'll be our starting QB next year, just like THE PLAN was way back when we drafted him. Season him for a few years behind Rodgers until he's ready. If Rodgers isn't ready to retire, he'll be traded.
This is stuff that's been in the hopper for years. It doesn't change on a week-to-week basis.
pantz_bURp
December 17, 2022 at 06:47 pm
When they make their decision on the starting QB next year, I hope it is made at exactly 10 to 9 (am or pm).
PackyCheese500
December 17, 2022 at 07:03 pm
Is that a "pun" because of 10 (Love) to 9 (Watson)?
pantz_bURp
December 17, 2022 at 07:27 pm
Cheese500 your timing is impeccable. (you are correct:)
Plus, #12 loves exquisite wrist watches
croatpackfan
December 18, 2022 at 01:49 am
I believe it is better to wait couple hours. Let them make that decision 10 "before" 12 (am or pm).
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
December 18, 2022 at 01:12 pm
I believe Rodgers will not be on the team next year meaning he will be traded. With Rodgers gone the Packers NEED a veteran back-up QB. They certainly could pick up a QB in the draft but with Love being so young and inexperienced it sure seems like a decent veteran QB will be needed. This will bear watching!
mbpacker
December 17, 2022 at 06:49 pm
What a conundrum the Packers find themselves in! Don't see how this movie ends well. Someone give me some reason that it won't while I sit back, sip an eggnog, and read.
pantz_bURp
December 17, 2022 at 07:32 pm
"Don't see how this movie ends well"...
With a freshly made hickey of course
Since'61
December 17, 2022 at 08:02 pm
Just play Love for the remainder of the season and reduce the speculation about whether he is ready to a starter or not. The hypothesis is that Love is ready to be the Packers next starting QB. Time to prove the hypothesis by letting him play and by coaches and GM observing his play and gathering facts and evidence to prove the hypothesis.
So if Love proves that he is ready to step in as the starting QB what becomes of Rodgers? If he doesn't retire and the Packers can't find a trading partner they will have no choice but to keep and play him next season. They won't pay him $50+ million to sit on the bench. This is the dilemna that the Packers have created for themselves. No one forced them (Murphy) to sign Rodgers to his current contract, no oe forced them to hire Barry and numerous other decisions which brought them to this point. The current situation with the team is a situation of the FOs own making. Thanks, Since '61
Johnblood27
December 17, 2022 at 11:46 pm
rodgers was 6-10 in his first season starting at QB.
as much as i want to see love play the remainder of this season, that small opportunity will most certainly NOT show his ultimate value.
he will need up to 20 starts or more to truly see if he is the future.
just keepin it real...
NickPerry
December 18, 2022 at 06:23 am
Good point JB... While it would be awesome for Love to ball out from Day one, it will probably take a little time. BUT, I'd still like to see those starts begin THIS season!
Since'61
December 18, 2022 at 11:02 am
Exactly Nick. The point about playing Love for the remainder of this season is not to say that Love is the guy for the next 10-15 seasons. The point is to help the Packers decide if they should pick up his 5th year option during this off season.
Picking up Love's 5th year option gives Love and the team 2 years of starting experience and exposure to determine if he will/can be the guy for the longer term.
All I'm saying is why not use these remaining games to actually see what Love can do now in terms of where he is in his development and also to see if he can improve/evolve from game to game. It also gives the coaching staff a preview of what the team could look like in 2023.
There is not necessarily any correct or incorrect approach but there is an opportunity to evaluate numerous players along with Love during actual NFL regular season games upon which better decisions can be made during the offseason. I'd rather evaluate players when they are playing against opposing starters in games that still matter to the opponents at least rather than preseason games when they are playing against players who won't even be in the league at the end of the preseason. Preseason performances tell us nothing. This is a rare opportunity for the Packers because the Packers are usually in contention for the playoffs and playoff seeding at this point. My recommendation is that they take advantage of the opportunity that is right in front of them. they should of the next four games as their preseason for 2023. Thanks, Since '61
Coldworld
December 18, 2022 at 06:11 pm
Exactly. The biggest aid to successful decision making is to maximize the extent of information available and minimize the supposition and guesswork.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
December 18, 2022 at 01:14 pm
JB,
I have said basically the same thing. As a young QB Jordan Love needs a full season starting at QB to develop and for the team to truly have a truly good idea of what he is going to turn into as the starting QB for the GBP's.
Heyward
December 18, 2022 at 01:45 pm
100% right. The people being paid millions to make good decisions have made one bad decision after another the past couple of years. The obvious move is to play Love, but nobody has the guts to tell Rodgers it’s time to take a seat.
Fubared
December 17, 2022 at 09:10 pm
Hey folks they ain't ponying up 56 mil to let love play next year. That isn't even a decision they are considering. Love knows that his agent has spelled it out, time to move on and he is planning on that.
Johnblood27
December 17, 2022 at 11:46 pm
take your braids and go blow your horn, queenie.
croatpackfan
December 18, 2022 at 01:54 am
Johnblood, he is trying to do something for "the Vikes". I believe "Captain Kirk" is in the last year of 4 year contract. You have to understand him. He wants Love to play for Vikings.
marpag1
December 18, 2022 at 03:47 am
I remember when all of the pitchforkers were pitchforking that Gutey was incredibly stupid for drafting Jordan Love. Funny now how many pitchforkers are pitchforking that Gutey is incredibly stupid for not playing Jordan Love.
Pitchforkers gonna pitchfork.
stockholder
December 18, 2022 at 07:36 am
It was a bad selection.
Johnblood27
December 18, 2022 at 10:16 am
that was a bad post.
BirdDogUni
December 18, 2022 at 11:31 am
Most who were pissed Gutey drafted Love was the timing of it. Very poor timing. They'd just extended Rodgers the year before. Why waste Love's rookie contract if they were keeping Rodgers?
Then, they compound their mistakes by extending AR again, almost guaranteeing wasting Love's rookie contract.
Gutey drafted his guy. FO screwed up any possibilities of an easy transition. I love Love, and none of this BS is his fault. Those of us that were pissed off at Gutey for drafting Love weren't against the player, but the piss-poor timing in drafting ARs successor, then wrapping us up into an even more idiotic extension of AR to totally screw the cap and making a transition to Love almost impossible.
Gutey wasn't stupid for drafting Love the person, he was stupid for drafting him when he did!
stockholder
December 18, 2022 at 12:42 pm
It wasn't all in.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
December 18, 2022 at 01:16 pm
Mar,
There is some humor ain't there?
I think you could look at the Christian Watson selection in the same vein.
Coldworld
December 18, 2022 at 06:14 pm
Gute doesn’t get to make the call. That’s not in his job description. I’m happy to pitchfork Murphy though.
Heyward
December 18, 2022 at 01:38 pm
Gutekunst would be insane to pick up Love’s 5th-year option without seeing him start a few games this season. Then again, he was insane enough to pick up Savage’s option, so nothing will surprise me.
Stickfish
December 18, 2022 at 01:54 pm
Food for thought I have yet to see mentioned: The good folks at 1265 Lombardi may have tried in earnest last year to move #12 and failed to find a suitor? If true it would speak more to the wisdom of the other 31 owners that it would a lack of our front office, in this matter anyway. And if true, can’t see another team wanting to willingly assume Rodgers next year. That puts Rodgers back in 23 for a shot at redemption for this year or he quits altogether which is hard to imagine with the ego involved.
I see Rodgers making a move to the IR yet this year to force the hand once again of Murphy and Gute whereby they risk injury to Love if the play him and with that his market value.
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BAMABADGER
December 19, 2022 at 08:13 am
It's not that tough a decision.
1) Give Love at least 3 starts this year and see what he can do against the opponent's first team D. Let him demonstrate if he has the "Right Stuff".
2) If Love shines, do whatever it takes to trade AR. Just getting an NFL team to accept his contract is a huge cap victory. Any draft choice(s) is a bonus.
3) If Love's play is suspect, trade him for what ever the team can get in draft choice(s). Run out AR's contract
4) PS: Jettison Berry asap.
Let's move forward. GPG!
TXCHEESE
December 19, 2022 at 04:17 pm
I think some of this is going to depend on how the last games play out. If Watson and Doubs, and maybe Toure ball out and the offense starts cooking, I could see Rodgers coming back next year for another shot. If things fizzle then maybe GB and Rodgers part ways and Love transitions to the starter position in '23. Remember, this is a fifth year option. Love really doesn't have any leverage in this situation.