The Packers Should Be Sellers At the Trade Deadline

The Packers are already two and a half games behind the lead in the NFC North

The Green Bay Packers had the opportunity to be self aware and decide their future in the offseason. They thought the roster was good enough to compete with some adds, so they gave Aaron Rodgers a big contract extension and kept most of their defensive free agents. Their plan, though, was clearly flawed.

The lack of offensive weapons has been costly, and Rodgers getting closer to his 39th birthday doesn't help. Thinking critically, the Packers were always going to regress after trading Davante Adams, and there was little room for this roster to get better, especially considering how unpredictable and volatile defenses are in the league. A series of poor performances against mediocre teams left clear that this is not a championship-caliber roster. Now, the schedule just gets harder — next week, for example, the Packers face the Buffalo Bills, widely considered the best team in the NFL. It's unrealistic to think they have a real shot to compete for the Super Bowl.

The time for wishful thinking is gone, and the Packers should face the hard reality they avoided in March: it's time for a rebuild.

The proposition is not to tear the roster down, because they have several foundational pieces to build around. It's also impossible to get as much value now as they would have gotten in the early offseason period. But there are moves to be made thinking about the future — because the present isn't good enough to justify anything different.

There's no way to trade Aaron Rodgers at this point, but there are other pieces who won't be in Green Bay when the team is competitive again after a retooling. Left tackle David Bakhtiari is one of these pieces — he is still really good when active, so a true contender might be willing to take the risk. As he is 31 and has a serious injury history, it's probably time to move on.

Defensive lineman Dean Lowry should not be part of the future either, because he's expensive, his level of play hasn't been great, and his playing style is not a good fit for what the coaching staff looks to build, with heavier linemen inside. 

Even other players who are useful today — such as Robert Tonyan and AJ Dillon — could be moved, because the Packers will need extra draft capital to competitively rebuild the team in seasons to come.

Fans obviously want their team to compete and maximize their championship windows. Front offices, however, need to analyze their situation critically and rationally. And the fact is that this Packers team isn't good enough. It's time to understand that and move accordingly. If they don't, the roster still won't be sufficient to win in 2022, and the rebuilding process will be longer and harder.

Photo:  Sarah Kloepping/USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin / USA TODAY NETWORK

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Wendell Ferreira covers the Green Bay Packers for Zone Coverage and Cheesehead TV. He is a Brazilian journalist with over a decade of experience covering the NFL, soccer, NBA, and MMA. Follow him on twitter at @wendellfp  

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Bure9620's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:07 am

Agreed. The window is closed folks...It is time to blow it up. The problem is we signed 12 to a $250 million deal and have a 1st round QB riding the bench in year 3....Had the Packers moved on, they could gave traded Rodgers and opened a new window rather quickly.....now? God. This team is a trainwreck with NO cap space!!! Atleast the Panthers know who they are right now and know it is rebuild time. This team will suck in 2023 as well....Then what?? Trade Love? Release Rodgers? Draft another?? This is fireable for Gutekunst...

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Fubared's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:11 am

Ya but the problem, the new QB would have looked bad and costs Gutt his job so no way they would have gotten rid of Rodgers and risked being fired. It was always about longevity of the coaches and Management not the team needs.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:43 am

You dont know that. Rodgers looked bad early in his career then hit his stride in year 3. Love hasnt even been given a chance beyond a spot start midway through a season where he got almost no reps prior to that week. How the hell is he supposed to look good from the bench?

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:55 am

I think it’s highly unlikely Rodgers’ resigning was down to Gute either.

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dobber's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:50 pm

I agree in that it seems pretty likely that the decision to resign 12 came from above Gute.

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Since'61's picture

October 24, 2022 at 07:49 pm

As Murphy stated publicly, "We're not idiots!" Thanks, Since '61

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Johnblood27's picture

October 25, 2022 at 07:58 am

CHTV comedy gold!

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Johnblood27's picture

October 25, 2022 at 07:58 am

there is a peanut butter cookie just millimeters from your grasp...

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Since'61's picture

October 25, 2022 at 08:32 am

I've got it Johnblood27! Thanks, Since '61

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dblbogey's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:23 pm

I wish we could trade Rodgers for the back up Washington QB who just whipped us.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:30 pm

I wouldn’t say Rodgers looked bad early. IIRC he threw for nearly 4000 yards and had 35 TDs his first year as a starter.

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lkcsmith's picture

October 24, 2022 at 03:35 pm

You are right. Rodgers played 7 games between 2005-2007, 35 completions out of 59 attempts, 329 yds and 1 TD and 1 int. Not bad for a non-starter.
In 2008 when he became the starter, he had 4038 yrs and 28 TDs in 16 games.
These are facts but people want to remember what they want to remember.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:38 pm

For those that obviously don’t remember, hears a quick comparison of their actual records in context. Not much in it. Nothing more annoying than folks who obviously didn’t live through it lecturing on the basis of a superficial stats grab.

https://wisportsheroics.com/packers-comparing-jordan-loves-and-aaron-rod...

There are others out there, but that’s helpfully simple and essentially state nothing much in it.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

October 24, 2022 at 08:17 pm

So you think Love is going to throw for 4000 yards and have 32 tds his first year as a starter? Stop being a jag off.

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dobber's picture

October 25, 2022 at 07:47 am

I wish we'd just quit comparing #12 and #10 at the early stages of their careers based on a very limited sample size for #10.

The point has been made: we really don't know what #10 will be. He needs to play to find out. Let's leave it at that.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

October 28, 2022 at 07:26 am

A three year extension at $150 million guaranteed in a year a fifth year option needs to be decided says we know what Love is gonna do.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

October 28, 2022 at 07:26 am

A three year extension at $150 million guaranteed in a year a fifth year option needs to be decided says we know what Love is gonna do.

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Coldworld's picture

October 25, 2022 at 08:15 am

Think all you like, but I’m just giving the context you clearly don’t have or choose to forget. You don’t know what Live will do, we didn’t know what Rodgers would.

If all you have got in response to actual facts is unsubstantiated guesswork and insults, you aren’t worthy of reading or further responses.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

October 28, 2022 at 07:29 am

All I did was state some facts in response to a post that wasn’t comparing anything. You came back with the insult (i.e. being a jag off). I just told you to stop being one. Maybe you should.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

October 24, 2022 at 08:07 pm

We’re both wrong. 32 TDs. He ran for 4.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:27 pm

That wasn’t early.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:27 pm

That (still) wasn’t early.

Duplicate, sorry

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

October 24, 2022 at 08:57 pm

That was his 4th year in the league. He was awful in the preseason games he played and what little regular season reps he got his 1st 2 seasons. Amd when I say bad, I mean really really bad. It wasnt until that cowboys game in his 3rd year where he came in for a banged up Favre that he gave anyone any hope he could be the future. He had largely become an afterthought before that game.

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Since'61's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:17 pm

Didn't last very long with the Patriots. Chain of command issues???

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Hematite's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:24 pm

👍

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davekenya's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:10 pm

I don't buy the idea that Gute and the brass didn't actively try to trade AR in the off season. And that another suitor (Denver) had a viable offer package on the table. They had cap space, draft pics, and current tradable players to create an equitable deal. And newly hired head coach Nathaniel Hackett to offer AR offensive scheme continuity. Was Hackett ultimately picked as Head Coach to add attractiveness for AR to go to Denver? Would being closer to the home of his (then but not now??) The fact that then-gf Shailene Woodley owns a house in Boulder, Colorado had been viewed as a factor further naturalizing AR going to the Broncos. (Coincidentally??? in March, AR 'reupps' with Green Bay; in April, AR and Woodley officially are reported to have 'broken up'; in August, Woodley buys a home in L.A.)

So...why wasn't a trade made as AR had perhaps his highest market value - coming off consecutive MVPs and showing no signs of decline? My guess - AR. I think he greatly values retiring as a Packer and being a 'one team player'. I think viewing it historically 'down the road', he sees this as admirable. Which it (in many ways except the 'cap' is). And does he actually still want to 'stick' it to every team that bypassed him in the draft by stating 'you didn't want me then...fine...you can't have me now either'. So...speculating of course...AR categorically stated 'if you (threaten to) trade me, I'll retire instead. You'll get accelerated cap, get no trade return, and get no more good/great playable years out of me.'

Gute was left in a tough spot. It would be extremely high risk/irresponsible to call AR's 'I'll retire if...' threat. He may have very well been left with no choice but to rework ARs contract...hope to continue to get good production from AR for 3 years...and then likely AR retires.

This is all speculation, of course, on my part. But I present it simply as a different way (with modifications for where my logic is off) for viewing what the front office and AR did and didn't do this past offseason. That life often isn't as simple as we make it out to be.

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Rarescope's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:30 pm

I was ready to rip this comment apart but I read it until the end - thank you for pointing out how much conjecture is in here. The GF part of the conspiracy I think is a bit of a reach but I'll continue with a more tempered reaction to what I was originally going to write:

"I don't buy the idea that Gute and the brass didn't actively try to trade AR in the off season."

I'm guessing it was the exact opposite. Enlightened football fans though we may be, I think we often overlook the simple bottom line - ARod is a Super Bowl winning QB who has had many years of success. That = a highly big draw of fans world wide. I just don't see little old Green Bay trading away a HOF QB without serious angst. Favre was a media trainwreck for years before he left. ARod tempted my patience the past couple of years but was at least honest enough to admit that he didn't know if he'd come back or not. My bet would be that the FO did everything they could to keep him around. After back to back MVP seasons they'd be fools not to - and fools to go for it if things turned out the way that they apparently are...

I'm still patiently waiting to see how this season plays out and hoping for a big reveal at the end because frankly I'm sick of all of the conjecture about what the problem might be.

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MainePackFan's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:30 pm

I think you make good points. AR has said for years he wanted to finish his career in GB and play into his 40's. and I believe him.
When Gute drafted Love and didn't restructure AR's contract to open up much needed cap space, it sent a message to Rodgers that the Packers may not be as into him as he was into them in spite of a very solid 2019 season.
That's when AR made a decision to control his future. People can hate him for it, but he parlayed that attitude into back to back MVP's. If he wanted out of Green Bay he would have done what Adams did and forced his way out.
I get many here at CHTV wish we had moved on, but we didn't. I will trust that Rodgers and Co. will figure this out. Perhaps I am the eternal optimist, but as bad as this has been, I am not as ready to admit defeat as many of my friends here at CHTV.

That being said, I could be wrong :)

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Destintrue's picture

October 26, 2022 at 08:39 pm

Big surprise none of these AR haters replied to your comment stating facts.

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Eric Zenk's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:15 pm

Agreed. Time to make a statement.

1. Trade under performers while you can get something for them NOW.
2. Let Rodgers walk into retirement in 2023 or trade him for whatever they can get, which may not be much now that the Russell Wilson trade has back fired thus far in Denver. 'Russ' is younger than Rodgers, so the Packers by not trading Rodgers in 2022, ( as my son and I agreed needed to happen after the loss to the Niners), have cost themselves a lot of trade or draft capitol in 2023 they could have received.
3. The Packers will suck in 2023, but by getting rid of over under performers now, this will send a message...there is no entitlement in Green Bay. Perform or be gone.
4. Letting guys like Bak and Lowery go now will get them something or more salary cap hits that must happen before they can rebuild. It also sends a message to MLF and Love, they'd better show some level of improvement in 2023 or fire MLF and trade Love.
4. Speaking of MLF, he gets one year, 2023 to show that he's this offensive minded guru by mentoring Love for one season. If neither guy pans out then the choices are clear. And MLF won't have Rodgers to bail him out, and we'll really see if he or Rodgers was the reason they changed so many run plays to pass plays and refuse to run into a loaded box with Jones and Dillon to create that physical mind set this team hasn't had in a long time.
5. The silver lining is the cap problems will be almost wiped out by 2024, and we'll know if MLF can REALLY coach and if Love can play. I am in the camp with those who believe you evaluate Love in mop up duty duty against the Saints or in the Chiefs game in 2021. As mentioned above MLF should be able to structure the offense around what Love can do versus having him run the offense meant for Rodgers.

6. If neither pans out, the Packers will have high draft picks in 2024 and should have a new coaching staff with a more physical, disciplined philosophy or at least they should.

7. This transition should be on warp speed if Buffalo steam rolls them on SNF. The last three weeks were an embarrassment. A lopsided, blow-out loss on national TV to the Bills e.g. 56-10 falls into that category IMHO.

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jurp's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:24 pm

I think we move on from MLF sooner rather than later. A couple blow-out losses in the next few weeks and maybe a loss to the Bears to put the cherry on top of the losing streak could do it. In a sane, normal world where the GM actually wields GM power, it WOULD happen, but in Murphyland, who the F knows.

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GP1's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:06 pm

Obviously I don't know but it would appear that Gutey was looking to the future with his drafting and roster build and then someone went and paid Rogers a Kings ransom to remain when his best days are behind him. I think that someone was Murphy who is desperately trying to finish his tenure with another S.B. Now we are buggered.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:32 pm

"A key factor will be whether Aaron Rodgers comes back for the 2022 season. [Head coach] Matt [LaFleur], [general manager] Brian [Gutekunst], executive vice president/director of football operations Russ Ball and I are all in agreement that we want Aaron to come back. He is likely to win his fourth league MVP, is the unquestioned leader of our team and is still playing at a high level at 38.”

Mark Murphy, “Murphy Takes 5”. Packers.com, February 5, 2022.

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Coldworld's picture

October 25, 2022 at 08:13 am

Bure, If I thought Gute was the guy behind extending Rodgers, I’d be completely in agreement. However, it seems pretty clear to me that was Murphy and that that decision was a dusaterous as it was incompatible with the roster. Whoever it was it looked nuts and has proved to be so.

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Destintrue's picture

October 26, 2022 at 08:31 pm

We missed completely missed on our WR picks this year in the draft and some how thought Jordan Love was a better idea than Justin Jefferson. We refused to build our team around our MVP QB and that's why we're here. Rodgers is still doing alright despite having the second worst WR room in the league. Trade for a competent WR1 and we're instant contenders. Giving up on the team this early is not the way. We still have a very good Defense, just get 1 competent WR for the dude that won MVP less than a year ago.

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Fubared's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:08 am

Okay what am I bid for Stokes? No interceptions in three years, no pass break ups, a couple of tackles, lets start the bidding at $5 and you eat his salary too!
Next Baktiari, a fine O linemen with a little knee problem who is only making 25 mil a year, we pay deerly for past performance. Lets start the bidding at 20 mil a year and we toss in Amari Rodgers if Bak cant play at least three games for you.
Now here is a steal, Watson, un used, very fast receiver who has all the tread on his tires resting peacefully on the bench since forever.
Last Rashan Gary, gets one sack a game and is playig lights out and has zero intention of re signing with us, might as well send packing now.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:45 am

For starters, Stokes is only in his 2nd season. 2nd, theyre not trading guys on rookie contracts with multiple years left on their contracts. Hes a building block for the future. Hes not a trade piece. They need to trade expensive players like Kenny Clark or Preston Smith or Adrian Amos. Those are the kinds of guys you sell off in a lost season.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:56 am

Seems to me there’s not much wrong with Stokes that isn’t related to soft coverage. Training, system and instruction.

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ddepula418's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:33 pm

Agree, Stokes is horrible. Bad penalty yesterday, even if it was questionable call. Got burned on first Washington TD, he broke outside and his man get to the goal post. Axe him now!

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jurp's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:25 pm

On a single-game sample set? Sheesh.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:42 pm

Being physical is bad? Hmmm. I guess we want them playing off and passive. Most times that’s not called, as you seem to admit, but it makes stokes a bad player?

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Hematite's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:32 pm

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:26 am

Who can we trade? Lowry? Guys still on rookie contracts? That’s about all our cap permits because of the way we’ve structured our veteran contracts to push money into our future. I don’t see a lot of interest in what we can offer being likely, but at this point, if there is and that player isn’t a key part of our future, yes.

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dobber's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:50 pm

^^THIS^^

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Bure9620's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:14 pm

Yup, we have practically zero wiggle room outside Lowry. Next season is a disaster for cap room. The only solution I see is unloading vet contracts and starting new.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:10 pm

We could maybe spread Jones via extension, if we let Rodgers walk. If not he and Bakh likely leave. Crosby maybe, Lewis, likely comes off, as does Lowry. Watkins and Reed are also scheduled to be FAs. Unfortunately the dead cap sticks, but those do have at least a positive effect after this year. Amos comes off if we don’t extend, I think. We will no doubt spread the hit with with Gary and Savage, Love too if we extend. Nijman and Jenkins have to be addressed too.

That’s not a vast amount back due to how they’ve mortgaged and any growth likely spent on youth we want to keep. As I understand it, if Rodgers comes back, we are basically cap free with such moves, due to his significantly higher cap hit.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 24, 2022 at 07:11 pm

We have to check to see who can be traded and cross reference that with whom does GB want to trade.

GB can trade anyone who will be a UFA or RFA in 2023. So that includes:
Amos, Cobb, Lowry, Lewis, Crosby, Tonyan, Reed, Nijman, Watkins, Jenkins, Gary, Savage and some others. Probably day three picks for these guys since they are half year rentals and not difference makers, save possibly for Gary and Nijman.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 24, 2022 at 07:11 pm

We have to check to see who can be traded and cross reference that with whom does GB want to trade.

GB can trade anyone who will be a UFA or RFA in 2023. So that includes:
Amos, Cobb, Lowry, Lewis, Crosby, Tonyan, Reed, Nijman, Watkins, Jenkins, Gary, Savage and some others. Probably day three picks for these guys since they are half year rentals and not difference makers, save possibly for Gary and Nijman.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

October 24, 2022 at 09:10 pm

Clark and A..Jones are both due $20 mil next year. That would be a good start. Amos isnt under contract for next year but is already owed 7.5 mil next year thanks to restructuring so getting something for him wouldnt hurt either. Then theres Douglas, Campbell, and Preston Smith. Id dismantle most of the starting defense beyond Jaire, Gary, Stokes, Walker, and Savage (call me crazy but i still have faith he can turn it around.) Theres no half measures in this sport. The experiment failed and now its time to tear it down and try a new approach. If Lafleur ends up getting canned, they might want to give Demeco Ryans a call. Time for this team to try a defensive head coach for a change. Build a team with some attitude and some balls.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:34 am

This is dumb. The Vikings are pretty average by most metrics, have a three game stretch of the Bills, Cowboys and Patriots coming up and have Cousins at QB.

The Packers might not catch them for the division but don't act like the Vikings are unbeatable.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:58 am

They are not great but we are an offensive disaster. Winning the division was never the goal at the cost incurred. If it was that’s a firing offense in itself.

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Bure9620's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:15 pm

100%. We structred contracts to be all in and we are a turrible team.

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SinceLombardi's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:29 pm

So mortgage the future for another 1 and done? The reality is the Vikings only need 9 wins for the division.
IF we improve we might get to 6-7 wins.
This team has no heart. They are not competing for anything except draft position.

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dobber's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:53 pm

That's the issue, isn't it? Adding pieces (to try to right the ship) by trading draft capital at this point feels like throwing good value after bad. They're going to have to play it out with what's currently in the locker room because the cap implications of dealing anyone of any real value are untenable.

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dblbogey's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:31 pm

This year's draft isn't looking great. We've got nothing from Wyatt, Christian Watson, Sean Rhyan, and little from Doubs. I guess it's early and they have talent so we'll see.

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jurp's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:27 pm

The trade up to get Watson will piss me off for a long, long time.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:38 pm

Me too ( though I acknowledge that he’s got phenomenal upside if it materializes).

What really burns though is that we knew we had to go with rookies. I was hoping we’d work them in with Rodgers and do so within specific roles and route trees to allow them to contribute around Cobb, Watkins and Lazard, among whom it was pretty certain injuries would occur. We did nothing. We ran the vets with Rodgers almost exclusively till near the end and used the rookies on our standard development, do everything, play everywhere track—a 2 to 3 year path!

Watson missed camp but we installed him as a 30 snap a game player but then didn’t throw to him enough to allow his speed to get respect. Doubs averages under 5 yard a target and, when he does go deep is isolated and he’s heavily covered.

I could go on. I won’t, save to say that it’s beyond inept and it was extremely obvious that was the only way to give us a chance to make the improbable re-re-reunion work without Adams other than just doing the same thing with less good receivers. I don’t know anyone who thought the vets we had would get us anywhere near January alone, but that seems to have been LaFleur’s plan.

To add insult to injury, he then goes so cautions and vanilla that defenses can sit 10 yards from scrimmage and guess our routes and choke running lanes while overloading, stunting and blitzing without fear of big plays. A recipe for disaster overlaid with another. We also see other poor coaching signs as well as indiscipline creeping in. I actually feel sorry for Rodgers, which I never thought I’d be saying this year.

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Eric Zenk's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:32 pm

Unless Rodgers finds the fountain of youth, the receivers start to catch stuff thrown to them on a regular basis, the special teams from 1996 is transported forward in time to 2022, the Packers MIGHT not win another game the way they are playing. Two of three phases of football on this team self destruct weekly, while the last one, defense plays one good first half while committing undisciplined penalties that occur at the absolute worst times in the game. Why? B/C they are NOT a top 5 impact defense everyone thought they'd be. They are an average to good defense that is gassed when on the field for almost 3 quarters each game prone to dumb mistakes with penalties, tackling and pass coverage issues that apparently cannot be corrected. Say goodnight Joe Barry.

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NJ-RICK's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:38 am

I've been saying it for years to get rid of this guy GUTE... He is cancer on this team... Horrible drafting and a lack of signing talented free agents. Finally everyone is coming around to what I've been saying for years. Time has come to clean out Upper MGT. Picking Kevin King over T J Watt. Dean Lowry, OMG this guy should have been long gone. I'm afraid at this point in the season its time to sell and not buy, the team looks totally out of sync offensively and defensively. They lose to a 3rd string QB that is embarrassing... Some coaches need to be reeled in ASAP where is the accountability. Remember what Zadarius Smith said when he was signed by the Vikings the Packer organization/upper mgt didn't even bother talking to him... And we have heard this from other packer players who have moved on from the Packers to other teams in the NFC North. Very Sad...!!!!

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SonsofSamkonGado's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:52 am

I think Kevin King was a TT pick, but you're not wrong about the rest of his picks:
2018
1st -Jaire hit
2nd - Josh Jackson miss
3rd Oren Burks miss
4th J'Mon Moore miss

2019
1st Gary hit
1st Savage miss
2nd - Elgton Jenkins hit
3rd - Jace Sternberger miss

2020
1st - Love doesn't contribute
2nd - Dillon Overdrafted and rarely contributes
3rd - Josiah Deguara miss

2021
1st - Eric Stokes hit
2nd - Josh Myers miss
3rd - Amari Rodgers miss
4th - Royce Newman miss

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:02 pm

No GM hits above about 50 percent over time. Gute’s done ok, but we have a team designed for the morning after the last dance but refused to accept it was over and crippled our cap flexibility’ in the process.

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davekenya's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:35 pm

Agreed. Gute's done ok compared to his peers across the league. And actually statistically better given the team's draft capital has had them starting with picks near the end of each round.

Two general gripes I have about the Pack's drafting have been:

1. Never having picked a WR in round 1. I can still hear as far back as Wolf reflecting that one of his 'mistakes' was not getting a top end complimentary WR for Favre (Sidenote: I'm almost over the Pats sneaking in b/t day 1 and day 2 of the draft and 'stealing' Moss from the Raiders when a Packers' trade deal seemed locked up. Moss with the Pack would have been interesting and entertaining. I appreciate the 'no WRs in Rd. 1' topic has been beaten to death (https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/why-the-packers-wont-take-a-wide-receiver-...)...but not since 2002? And only team in the league with that drought? I guess the Pack's draft philosophy - in addition to BAP - is 'shore up your weaknesses' rather than 'enhance your strengths' (in this case, get top receivers for your top QBs).

2. Over drafting DL with high picks and below average value return (exceptions for Clark and Raji). It's either a flaw in how they consistently grade DL, drafting/playing them out of position and not learning from this, or poor coaching. I mention coaching as the opposite has seemed true for the OL -- lower draft picks seem to have (on average) played well above what their draft values were.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

October 24, 2022 at 09:15 pm

Bills and Chiefs are the best passing teams in football. Wanna know what they both have in common? Neither team has a single 1st round receiver on their roster. This whole 1st round receiver narrative really needs to die once and for all.

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Bure9620's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:19 pm

Ya and we are morning after, hung over with a lipstick stain wondering where we are and what happened....

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NJ-RICK's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:12 pm

Thank You for clarification missed on GM Thompson who drafted King. I wasn't a big fan of him either. But you listed all the misses on draft picks from GUTE that reinforces my statement. Upper mgt is serverly lacking in Packer land..

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jurp's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:30 pm

You conveniently forgot the MVS hit in 2018, Savage is a hit, not a miss, because he's starting . Love is an unknown, and Dillon is a hit - at least he was last year.

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Packers1985's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:40 pm

Starting doesn't mean a hit. So as per you Newmann should've been a hit too since he started last yr and this year too? Hit or miss is rated based on the draft capital spent and services they provided to the team during that year and also comparing the performances across the board that yr.
Coming to Dillon yes he has been good but many expected him to be our answer for Derek Henry . For me picking him at 2nd is a bit of a reach for usually we could've drafted bruiser backs much later in the drafts too.

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Packers1985's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:36 pm

Too early to be calling stokes a hit. He too like savage had a good to promising first yr but again he got burned covering real Wr's like JJ and usually the one who gets picked on crucial moment. I wouldn't be calling him a miss or a hit yet as it is too early.

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cheesehead1's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:55 am

I could be wrong , but I believe it was Ted Thompson who drafted King.

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13TimeChamps's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:59 am

"Finally everyone is coming around to what I've been saying for years."

No, EVERYONE isn't coming around to your nonsense. And Kevin King was drafted by Ted Thompson.

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CHEESEHEADDALLAS's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:25 pm

Our Gm should have been run out of town after the Jordan love draft he sucks and as long as his but buddy’s are their we will too

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

October 24, 2022 at 09:18 pm

Actually, seeing how far Rodgers has fallen off the cliff, I feel Gutekunst has been vindicated for drafting a qb. Unfortunately, Murphy wont let Love have his day with this team. So they'll just go down with their sails hitched to Rodgers' sinking ship instead.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 25, 2022 at 09:36 am

RTS, I don't know if Rodgers has fallen off the cliff. The last two seasons, we've brought back the league MVP (at a cost), but I don't think we're going to be in that position after this season. The Rodgers Era is ending. Thank you for a long stretch of exceptional play. If drafting Love spurred Rodgers to two MVP seasons, then Love is one of the best draft picks we ever made. I'm pretty sure that he'll be our next starting QB, and unless he's a lot worse than the other QBs taken in that draft...Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Hurts....he'll do OK.

IMO, this is the end. Rodgers won't be the MVP and we won't be one of the best teams in the league. We could miss the playoffs this year. In either event, I wouldn't see him returning to Green Bay next year. Retirement is probable, in which case we'd have a better cap situation going into the future.

This 30 year streak of Favre/Rodgers is a long stretch of putting a capable QB on the field with a decent team around him, and that's easier said than done, just ask Chicago.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:50 am

What could we get by packaging Rodgers, LaFleur, and Gute?

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dblbogey's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:32 pm

A banana maybe.

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CHEESEHEADDALLAS's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:21 pm

Throw Murphy in their and we would have a winning team

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cheesehead1's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:56 am

nj-rick…..I believe it was Ted Thompson who drafted King.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:29 pm

or his hologram...

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SinceLombardi's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:30 pm

But it was Gute who kept him for a season after his epic collapse against Tampa

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 24, 2022 at 07:25 pm

Gave the money to Jones, also. I would have drafted Jonathon Taylor over Love and kept the four pick. A veteran backup is your security blanket behind Rodgers. The die has been cast. Set the wayback machine...

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

October 24, 2022 at 09:19 pm

Draft a running back in the 1st round so Rodgers can not give him the ball?

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:57 am

It's Over Johnny, and Yes, The Switch is Turned Off, Just like That.

The playoff train has left the station and the Packers are standing on the platform waving goodbye. There are no 'wow' plays coming from anyone, unless they come from the opponents. With the Bills, Cowboys, Eagles, Titans, and a Lions team that seems that can out roar us, instead of themselves is horrifying. To stand on the platform believing the playoff train is backing up to get you aboard is beyond 'blind optimism', and a phrase I have not used in quite a while.

I know trading Rodgers now is near impossible, but I think it is a reasonable thing to at least play Love half a game, since the Offense, or Rodgers barely plays half a game now. Yes, the MLF factor is still in play, but, perhaps with less to no pushback from Rodgers, this team might, at least, play a good half of football.

We won't be in the playoffs, but they'll know where they are with Love, more than do now with Rodgers going forward.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:08 pm

Once we accept it’s over, which with this leadership will be mathematical impossibility only I suspect—something the Bears and Lions are trying very hard to spin out till the end of the season—Love should play every snap.

Personally I’d sit Bakh too as long as Tom and Nijman hold up. I’d be willing to let Watkins and Cobb go or sit and just play youth at that point where possible. Once the door closes on meaningful success, only things that may help next year become relevant. Unfortunately, I don’t think this leadership is the type to be that strategic.

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SinceLombardi's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:32 pm

MLF doesn’t have the guts to sit Rodgers at halftime.. unless he’s getting battered

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davekenya's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:44 pm

Yeah...somehow they need to give Love a few consecutive starts to more properly evaluate his value/talent as the heir-apparent. With Rodgers' thumb being an issue, now's as good a time as any - if it can be sold to AR, the fan base, and the team. My fear would be that the team interprets this as 'giving up on this year' which would mean some players not playing as well which would mean Love would not get the proper evaluation he deserves. But...how else to determine what you have with Love? The Packers will need to decide whether to exercise Love's fifth-year option, which would be in 2024, a year beforehand. The deadline for such options has taken place in early May...so would be May 2023. He'd be due $20M -- where's this money coming from? Since the team really can't afford both AR and Love next year, they'd basically be playing Love to (for better or worse) accurately determine his trade value. So...Love is gone, AR gone in 2 years...where's the heir-apparent now? Yuk - save this topic for the off-season.

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jurp's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:33 pm

".where's the heir-apparent now? "

A sophomore in a Power Five conference?

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

October 24, 2022 at 07:22 pm

And you couldn’t be happier, no doubt.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:57 am

I think being sellers at the deadline would be as useful as a rummage sale to get the money for a $200,000 mortgage balloon payment.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

October 25, 2022 at 07:35 am

Rummage sales often occur as an estate sale. This teams super bowl chances are dead. Time to collect a nickel here and there and move on…

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dobber's picture

October 25, 2022 at 07:52 am

The Packers have no room to deal: they can't take on much in the way of additional contracts and they can't deal away guys who accelerate load onto 2022. Their lot has been cast. They've got to make it go mostly with what they have on hand.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 25, 2022 at 09:48 am

Agree, dobber. The die has been cast. As Coach Norman Dale said in Hoosiers, "This is our team".

I do think people are throwing in the towel a little early here. We're 3-4, and only a handful of teams in the NFC are ahead of us. Other teams are dealing with injuries, bad luck, and bad officiating too.

Our people have to execute. Receivers have to catchthefrickinball. These people have executed in the past, excepting Tom and Doubs who are rookies. Everybody else has been around the track before.

There's no reason that this team has to collapse. We're not Detroit.

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PhantomII's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:01 pm

In order to compete and win in the post season: You need a #1 WR, #2 WR a very good to Elite TE and a good run game and decent OL to compete Offensively. We have an electric RB with good hands in the pass game with good run after catch ability and a big RB for short yardage or game closer. Our RB being dynamic can cancel the #2 WR position out if used effectively, which he has not been. We have no #1 or 2 WR and a below average TE group. We do not have the offensive weapons it takes to do what we need to do against good teams without ML calling a flawless game.......and that's not gonna happen. Our Rook WR's are not going to suddenly become all pro especially because our QB will not spend the time it takes to get it where it needs to be. Last point, we have no money to entice anyone here.Gute loves his draft picks too much to use them to get a good cheap WR from a bad team.

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SinceLombardi's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:33 pm

Unfortunately Aaron Jones will be old by the time this team is once again competitive

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dobber's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:57 pm

Yes, he's likely--at best--a bridge piece at this point, but he might be the one who puts butts in the seats while they regroup. He has a big roster bonus that comes due in March, and a large 2023 salary. Depending on what they think of Kylin Hill or some other back's ability to play next to Dillon, he's likely an off-season cap casualty. They save about $11M with a cut, but they could also decide to restructure another two years and push his hit back.

"Gute loves his draft picks too much to use them to get a good cheap WR from a bad team."

Why would anyone deal a good WR cheaply?

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Leatherhead's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:19 pm

A good question, dobber.

Regarding Jones, he'll be turning 28 by Thanksgiving or so. Pro-football-reference credits him with 57 career TDs, and if he scored another 20 or so,he'd vault up the all-time list.

He's really good. If there's one skill position where a good Day 2 rookie can make an immediate impact, it's at RB. We have Dillon and Hill already.

I'd hate lose a guy like Jones, but I'd hate it worse if we didn't have blockers.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:52 pm

Hill is coming off an ACL. It would be pretty typical for him to be unimpressive this year. That means we likely don’t get to see his potential as it truly is till camp next year. That adds uncertainty.

Frankly, my frustration with Jones’s usage is more than just the number of times he gets a hand off. Jones is actually a more than competent route runner and catcher. He can play I. The slot and he can run complex routes and catch balls in an extended radius. Yet we never seem to use him in true receiver routes even when we have a shortage of WRs. We send him on wheels and leak outs. His TD on Sunday was supposed to be a flat pass.

Why don’t we use him? For goodness sake he’s talented and A threat post catch. What the hell is wrong with LaFleur that he can’t even get his best player involved in the ground and in the air? If we could, paying him as a dual threat (we are) would make a lot more sense to continue.

If 80 percent of the offense ran through Adams last year, why is Jones getting 10 percent now?

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Johnblood27's picture

October 25, 2022 at 08:29 am

CW - the plan to use Jones as a dual threat is very easy to set up.

just go back to the plan for Marshall faulk when he was in St Loo with the greatest show on turf.

The nfl is a copycat league and copying from the past can certainly work (copying from the future isnt really an option, is it? lol)

copying from the present has the disadvantage that defensive coordinators are actively working on stopping the present flavor of success.

copying from the past throws a "new' wrinkle into the plan and as the saying goes... everything old is new again...

zig when they zag and vice versa...

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jurp's picture

October 25, 2022 at 08:36 am

To your point, the shotgun is essentially a variant of the old Wing formation, IIRC. I seem to remember the announcers on the game when Landry ran it out for the first time even saying something, like "Dallas appears to be running the wing formation?" The Wildcat, is simply a variation of an old formation.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 25, 2022 at 09:57 am

"If 80 percent of the offense ran through Adams last year, why is Jones getting 10 percent now?"

I do love a good question in the morning with a cup of coffee.

We get to put 5 weapons on the field, and Jones is our best weapon, so he should be on the field the most, and get the ball the most. Right? Beyond that, our 4 remaining weapons are probably Lazard, Doubs/Watkins, Dillon, and Lewis/Tonyan.

If I were running the show, I'd probably play him in the slot and put Dillon as the RB, along with Lazard and Tonyan. Doubs/Watkins/Watson/Lewis as the 5th weapon.

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PhantomII's picture

October 24, 2022 at 10:07 pm

A good cheap WR is on a rookie contract...cheap$ not cheap draft picks. Washingtons Mclauren for Doubs and another #2 and #4 Pick. Doubs will eventually get there but we don't have a couple years to wait. . That would give us a #1 WR NOW when we need it or WR from Denver. Washington is not going anywhere yet. Claypool who Gute should have drafted.

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dobber's picture

October 25, 2022 at 07:56 am

Again: why would a team deal a young WR playing on a rookie contract who is GOOD and has upside? Unless they get you to hideously overpay, that's how GMs get fired.

McLaurin ISN'T cheap...just signed a big contract with Washington, and their dealing him would accelerate a catastrophic hit on their cap. You're just playing fantasy football at this point.

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PhantomII's picture

October 25, 2022 at 09:22 pm

Already have a couple producing WR's. Team needs another weaker position filled. Team is not in contention yet. Team does not want to pay multiple WR's 20 Mill or more and need a OLB or even a QB or a CB??? What are the most picks YOU would lay out for a team missing that one key component to possibly go on a Super Bowl run for a kid 2-3 years pro #2 WR budding possibly #1 WR with a better QB we have? I would go #1 and #2. If Gute does nothing 2022 window is shut and AR may just retire. Did not know Mclaurin was signed early for 23 Mill. /per yr. for only 3 yrs. Gute blew it not getting Jefferson at #20 and Loved instead...Imagine DA and Jefferson on the field together for a few years....Maybe a trophy to boot.

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dblbogey's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:38 pm

Marv Cook, Johnathon Hayes, Dallas Clark, George Kittle, TJ Hockenson, and Noah Fant. All Iowa Hawkeye tight ends.

They've got another one in this year's draft. Sam LaPorta. He's very good and would really help fill a 10 year need - a really good tight end.

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dobber's picture

October 25, 2022 at 07:58 am

This team has demonstrated over the years that they don't know how to use or feature a TE.

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701Packer's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:05 pm

In Summary: they gambled on resigning Rodgers, and lost big time. Now the team will suffer for a awhile.

I am on team sell, but I don't know who really has value considering contracts & injuries. Ex: Bak

Its unfortunate, and at the end of this 6-11 season, I'm not sure what will have to happen next. Rodgers will probably retire, Gute should probably be fired for the huge miss on Rodgers (he wont be fired). ML is tough, but I would very much doubt moving on after 1 bad year.

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Eric Zenk's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:40 pm

6-11? You are generous. They way they are playing they might finish 3-13. J. Alexander said what A. Rodgers would not acknowledge after the Giants loss. Paraphrasing: We'll be in panic mode if we lose at home to the Jets. Well they lost to the Commanders so now it's players playing to stay in Green Bay, (for those who care), and those who run through the motions, they'll be gone in 2023. It's a business and many are over paid and under performing...BIG TIME.

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701Packer's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:21 pm

Yeah I am being generous. This is based on the fact that they will at some point "figure it out" and be competent on offense enough to win some games. Unfortunately once they do that, it will be too late.

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PackyCheese500's picture

October 24, 2022 at 04:40 pm

I see them beating the Bears, Lions at Lambeau, and maybe the Rams. That's it.

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Johnblood27's picture

October 25, 2022 at 08:38 am

murphy only has 3 years before his mandatory retirement at age 70 in July 2025.

NO CHANGES WILL BE MADE PRIOR TO MURPHY LEAVING!!!!!

book it.

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kozmo's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:08 pm

Good Lord...... What they need to do is protect rodgers and catch the ball....theywould have won the last 3 games if they just caught the ball and protected....blocked punts-line....block field-oline....

Rodgers can still play. No ones open, dropped balls.... rodgers would have completed 30 balls yesterday if they just caught the damn thing. Lazard dropping that 3rd down ball....drive dead. It was in his hands.

They ignored the wideout spot for years and this is what you get. Get Cobb back and Christian.....maybe that will turn into something. No one is killing it in the NFC

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T7Steve's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:58 pm

They had to fix the O-line before they worried about receivers. TOOK TILL WEEK 7 to get a line, now it will take a couple weeks for the line to gel completely but at least they can start working on the other stuff.

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davekenya's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:52 pm

Yeah, I agree. Objectively, AR (bad thumb and all) didn't play all that bad. He maybe missed on the deep ball to Sammie, but informally I counted 5 drops yesterday. And he's always threading the needle vs. watching the other team's receivers gallivant wide open across the field. And while under extreme duress from poor pass protection. And with the defenses knowing he can't throw any passes beyond 15 yards downfield (no time; receivers won't get open) so the D can 'stack the line' and minimize gains from those wonderful 2-yard pass plays.

Only 'low hanging fruit' solution I see is more double move plays. As Ds are sitting on the short routes, sell the short routes and have Jones, etc. do double moves and extend their routes. At least try to keep the D honest; hopefully AR has time for these plays to develop.

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kozmo's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:05 pm

they could go after a wideout before trade deadline but im Doubting it. Im guessing they think they have the guys but they need to develop...we'll see what they do....They are in trouble but unlike the national pundits I watch the games. I saw the 7 drops. Thats the problem. Last week I saw the online get destroyed and I saw the blocked kicks....that why we lost. Seems Leflur would learn that special teams are important

I feel for Amari....its the kids dream but he likely needs a reboot someplace else

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SinceLombardi's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:22 pm

The bigger picture would be why allow the people that have misjudged the talent and put a lifeless team on the field to remain in charge

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:36 pm

They paid them.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:40 pm

They are them!

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Johnblood27's picture

October 25, 2022 at 08:39 am

murphy only has 3 years before his mandatory retirement at age 70 in July 2025.

NO CHANGES WILL BE MADE PRIOR TO MURPHY LEAVING!!!!!

book it.

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Philarod's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:38 pm

It's going horribly now (obviously) but it's too soon for panic mode -- even too soon if the Bills stampede us.

I don't think that the two-time-running NFL MVP suddenly lost it, but he's not the guy anymore to turn 6-10 overall talent to 12-4 contenders, as he did for years.

I know that moments have to be seized by we're not even half a season beyond being the #1 seed in the NFC. This is premature!

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Leatherhead's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:00 pm

Thanks for the balanced perspective, Philarod. And I think you are correct, even if we go 3-5 by losing in Buffalo, it's not time to panic unless we also lose the following week in Detroit, which would put us at 3-6 and we'd basically have to run the table to make the playoffs.

Rodgers has an injured throwing hand. Do an experiment. Take your throwing hand, and slam it real hard in the car door, maybe a couple of times. Then see if affects your ability to throw at all. I think it probably does. I remember the same thing with Favre in 2003.

Personally, since I think it's more important to win the Detroit game than the Buffalo, game, I let Rodgers rest that hand and go with Love this week, with a gameplan designed with him in mind. The offense has only put 46 points on the board in three straight losses, so I'm not overly concerned it will be a lot worse with Love.

If, by some miracle, we can get to 4-5 and breathe some life into the offense, we'll have a shot.....there's no reason to give up on the season. If we go to 3-6, it might be time to have 'the conversation'.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

What is wrong with the Packers? Many things, obviously, but the big one for me is the fact that the offense isn't staying on the field, isn't moving the ball, and isn't scoring. In the off season, the focus was weapons. When the season started, it was the Oline. But now everybody is back on the Oline and it didn't look that bad. Maybe we should look at the weaponry.

You get to put 5 weapons on the field at a time. Jones is above average. Dillon is no worse than average. Lazard is a solid piece. But we're not getting much from the other skill position players.

Cobb...hurt
Watson...hurt
Watkins...been hurt
Deguara...rarely targeted.
Amari Rodgers....rarely targeted.
Doubs...he's been healthy enough to line up and play a lot, but most of what he's done has been short stuff. And he's dropped his share already.

Tonyan and Davis? Tonyan has had a few moments. Lewis? He's a blocker.

IMO, we're going to have to get more production from some of our skill position players. Right now, our best 5 would probably be Jones, Dillon, Lazard, Doubs, and Tonyan. Only Jones is really producing.

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Philarod's picture

October 24, 2022 at 03:23 pm

Good reply, Leatherhead -- I think I agree with all aspects.
Per Lazard, if a quibble, I think he's a WR-3 for a good offense.

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jurp's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:39 pm

If AR's thumb is hurt that bad WHY THE HELL IS HE STILL PLAYING? It's actually NOT his decision whether he plays injured or not - that's on the medical staff and the coach. I assume that the medical staff has cleared AR to play - so that means, his injury isn't nearly as serious as you say it is. Face it, he's lost some of his magic. Happens to the best of them.

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GPG1985's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:59 pm

IF they decide to sell Gary, Jenkins, and Savage should be on the block if they don’t plan on signing them to long term deals (I wouldn’t want to, but other guys have such big contacts they would be hard to trade)..The Pack could have up to 68 mil dead cap when Rodgers retires, so they will need as many players on rookie deals as possible..I don’t see them being big sellers since Gute would basically be admitting he was wrong.
When Rodgers finally does retire hopefully they draft a fun, energetic quarterback, so at least the games are enjoyable to watch. That Taylor Heinike may not be the best quarterback, but you can tell he’s got passion and dude has heart. Give us some of that!!

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PackyCheese500's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:33 pm

Jenkins is still a good Guard. We probably wouldn't get much for Savage. I think we should move him to nickel CB permanently; that's his best position. We are NOT selling Gary no matter what!

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GPG1985's picture

October 24, 2022 at 09:06 pm

100% agree with you..Gary is a beast and Jenkins was an All-Pro Guard before the injury..I just hope the money is there to make that happen with Rodgers and Bahk’s contracts..salary cap #s can be manipulated and I read salary cap could be over 250 mil by 2024, so hopefully that helps cushion the blow..GPG

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

October 24, 2022 at 09:23 pm

If they trade Gary, literally everyone in the front office and board of directors should be banned from the NFL forever. You dont trade a 25 year old elite pass rusher. Not in a million years.

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gpt999's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:17 pm

GB should be sellers. Too bad they had to squander games and cash on a flawed "all-in" strategy! Many parts are needed - from the front office, to coaching, to players to make this a competitive team.

One idea - SF seems to be all in with the CMC trade. They really do need an upgrade at QB. What about Rodgers to SF for Jimmy G plus a draft pick? Rodgers would love to go back home and SF has the receivers to complement him. For GB, we just need a competent guy like Jimmy to hand off.

Pittsburgh is in the same boat. Rodgers likes Tomlin. The Steelers have good receivers. Why not?

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PackyCheese500's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:31 pm

If the Packers can negotiate some way in that they take most of Rodgers' cap hit this year and most of the dead money in the next 2 years, then I think that would be a great idea! Although I would see Jimmy G backing up Jordan Love , wouldn't you

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wimiller's picture

October 24, 2022 at 07:05 pm

who would take Rodgers with that contract along for the ride> no team would take him unless we paid about 3.4 of his contract, that is the real cost of paying him as if he were the Rodgers of ten years ago. I would unload him just for morale purposes. but yes it is rebuild time. that should have been obvious by the time we 'beat' New England, let alone have lost to the Giants, Jets, and Commanders to make the point even clear i would bet to our front office.

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PackyCheese500's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:27 pm

I agree COMPLETELY with what you are saying, Wendell. Here are some trade ideas I was proposing:

Next offseason, trade LT David Bakhtiari to the Kansas City Chiefs for a first round pick. The Chiefs' LT, Orlando Brown, is likely gone after this season, as he's playing on the franchise tag. Bakh's cap number in 2023 is just 5 mil, and to get an all-pro LT to replace Brown for that cheap of a cap hit would be good for the Chiefs.

Before the trade deadline, trade RB Aaron Jones to the Buffalo Bills for a second-round pick. Jones will be 29 next year, and he has a enourmous cap hit in 2023. Even though he's their best offensive weapon right now, he doesn't have a future past this season in GB. The Bills are still looking for an answer at RB, and after losing out on CMC, they can get another dynamic, dual-threat offensive weapon. AJ Dillon should stay because he is cheaper. See what Tyler Goodson and Kylin Hill have to offer.

The only trade that we would buy for that I could see would be trading a 3rd-round pick for Steelers WR Chase Claypool. He would be very affordable, and he could be part of the bigger picture

Also to trade: DL Dean Lowry to the Las Vegas Raiders for a mid-late day 3 pick. WR Randall Cobb to the Dallas Cowboys for a late day 3 pick. WR Sammy Watkins to the Los Angeles Rams for a mid-late day 3 pick. TE Robert Tonyan to the Dallas Cowboys for a 3rd to 4th-round pick

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kozmo's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:43 pm

So you think that the Chiefs will trade a first for a player who's knee is destroyed? He can't stay on the field....

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PackyCheese500's picture

October 24, 2022 at 03:13 pm

Or second, maybe, but he is already better. He was just held out for cautionary reasons on Sunday, as he is relatively early back from his recovery

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MEO73's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:33 pm

We have the back to back MVP. Three consecutive seasons of 13 wins. Essentially the same roster with one huge, but not irreplacable loss (Davante). Unless MLF cant coach anymore or AR has had the most significant year to year drop off in QB/MVP history, we're probably not suddenly in "burn it down and start over" mode. I'm not a Gute fan. Definitely not a Barry fan (I would not have hired him and would happily fire him), but it's a little premature to nuke the place.

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davekenya's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:58 pm

Agreed. Many are in reactive mode - easily understood. The defensive went into the game ranked #1 in pass D and likely didn't drop much...so there's something positive there. Even if the were to lose Gary to free agency, they'd be returning an 'okay' defense next year. So...could throw basically the entire draft to the offensive side of the ball...which would have to improve the O I'd think. So maybe all's not lost big-picture-wise.

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PackyCheese500's picture

October 24, 2022 at 03:14 pm

Gary still has his 5th-year option next year - and my guess would be that the Packers will do whatever it takes to extend him

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davekenya's picture

October 24, 2022 at 03:34 pm

I believe GB has already exercised Gary's 2023 fifth year option this past spring and he'll count ~ 11M against the 2023 cap. This upcoming offseason, they need to decide what to do with Love's 5th year options (~ 20M)

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:03 pm

They won’t exercise Love’s option, almost certainly they will either move on or extend to spread the cap and use incentives. Unless a QB is truly established, the option is just too high in cap terms since it can’t be spread out beyond that year.

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Rarescope's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:19 pm

Classic bystander thinking - why don't they just trade to get the pieces they need?!?!

It takes two to tango folks. The FO gave huge contracts to Bakhtiari, Jones, and ARod on the hopes they would maintain All Pro levels of play. We're almost 2 years away from Bakh's ACL injury and still have no idea if he will ever be able to play regularly again after giving him a monster contract. That's just bad luck and articles like this thinking that they're going to be able to get anything out of him from a trade are just wishful thinking - as are suggestions of trading other players without looking at the cap ramifications of doing so. Oh Great Reynoldo, where art thou?

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PackyCheese500's picture

October 24, 2022 at 03:15 pm

Bak's cap hit in 2023 is 5 million I believe, a large portion of the money is dead. We could easily trade him

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fangirl's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:23 pm

Why is it too late to trade Rodgers?
There are likely teams who would pay for him. SF 9ers?

My 2 cents-the loss of Davante has been irreparable.

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davekenya's picture

October 24, 2022 at 03:40 pm

There had been speculative talk that the 9ers would like AR and the prospects he could take him the distance this year moreso than Jimmy G. Would AR want to be traded? Would GB be okay taking the ~ 40Mish cap hit?

Scenarios of the impact of AR being traded or retiring have just been updated and can be found at over-the-cap dot com.

But maybe with SF acquiring Christian McCaffrey, they think they have what it takes. I also don't know how McCaffrey impacts SF's cap and their ability to accommodate an AR salary if they traded for him.

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arthurl's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:24 pm

It appears now Gute messed up not handling the WRs with the departure of both Adams and MVS. Lazard is the only capable and reliable receiver on he squad. Asking rookies to count is risky and Doubs might turn out to be decent. Watson is injury prone and hasn’t shown he’s any good. Then there is Amari Rogers and it’s evident he is unreliable. Watkins and Cobb are past their best years. The TEs are nothing special either.

Gute should work a trade for a decent WR; maybe that will bring some juice the offense needs. I’m glad they changed the OL yesterday; I think that unit has potential to really be good.

The defense is being handicapped by a crappy offense.

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stockholder's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:53 pm

First off. You're not going to get high draft picks for anyone! If you do. The player to sell is Amos. Savage won't bring anymore than Ha Ha Dix. And that way you see if Savage can play SS. The flip is a conditional three.
Next Lowrey. Is a must move. He's gone at the end of the year and I doubt they get a seventh.
I'd move Love. Rodgers won't retire. They're hooked. Move Love before you have to pay him. Get that TE and WR.
I don't have faith in Gutey's drafting. It's not that they're quality players. It's that they don't pan out.
And we saw how bad Graham was. But maybe he gets lucky. Id ask Rodgers who he wants. Seriously!

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 24, 2022 at 03:35 pm

Lowry is taking snaps from Wyatt. Love is a chip to play. If they restocked the RB room instead of laying a three pick on Rhyan, they would be in a better place to move A Jones.

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SteelyPhil's picture

October 24, 2022 at 03:21 pm

We've had three 13-win teams in as many seasons. The first year under MLF was a bit of an anomaly where they came out ahead in a bunch of close games and were then outmatched in every phase against the 49ers. The second year was our best shot, which was ruined when the Packers came out flat-footed against the Bucs and couldn't make up the difference even after Brady's 3 picks in the second half. Last year, they get embarrassed at home with a piss-poor offensive performance and an historically bad special teams unit that ultimately cost them the game.

That was it. That was the window. We should absolutely be sellers now, although it feels like it's too little, too late. Our cap issues are mostly driven by Aaron Rodgers, whose play has taken a nosedive even accounting for our miserable OL and WRs with bricks for hands, and David Bakhtiari, who I'm not sure has put together much more than 10 quarters of football in the two years since he was paid (to be clear, I feel for Bakh, who is a tremendous football player who got extremely unlucky). Very little anyone can do about that. The front office is going to have to take a long-term view of this team and prepare for a multi-year rebuild.

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ArlenWilliams's picture

October 24, 2022 at 03:27 pm

The Packers should coach better. Lombardi had his offense drill and drill, and repeat and repeat on the field, and become prepared to innovate and... execute within a much smaller number of plays... and they got them right. A clue there?

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13TimeChamps's picture

October 24, 2022 at 04:06 pm

"A clue there?"

Yeah, it's called the CBA, which restricts teams from doing the "drill, drill, repeat, repeat" during practices. Unfortunately, this isn't the 60's. No more running the stadium steps for 2 hours when a player screws up in practice. You're lucky if you don't get fined for yelling at a player.

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Lphill's picture

October 24, 2022 at 03:59 pm

Wow can’t believe how everyone is giving up on a team with 3 losses , the Bucs are 3 and 4 , the Rams last 3 in a row last year , I think the Packers will beat the Bills and turn the season around.

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13TimeChamps's picture

October 24, 2022 at 04:12 pm

Well, first off, it's 4 losses, not 3. And if you can't tell the difference between the offensive talent between last years Rams and this years Packers, I can't help you out.

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beautiful_mystery's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:40 pm

13X's...you seem just a little salty. Hang in there big guy. Better days (including Sundays) ahead.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 07:12 pm

Oh, you are just a gas.

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13TimeChamps's picture

October 25, 2022 at 08:58 am

I see our resident wannabe stand up comedian is back. How about you stick to your lame attempts at humor and I'll worry about what kind of mood I'm in.

And, if that's an actual photo of you, I'd strongly suggest putting down the cheeseburgers and getting on a tofu diet.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 24, 2022 at 04:59 pm

I'm amazed how many good GMs are here. You knows everything.

ACR will bring flush of high draft picks in the trade? To whome. You mention SF - that must be the reason they trade for McCafry. They are preparing to trade for ACR who like to pass, not to give the ball to his RBs. Very logical thinking...

Maybe Panthers will give their precios picks for ACR. He surely has at least 10 seasons of high level plays. I believe Panthers will give Packers all draft picks for 2023 and 2024 draft, just to get guy who can't go through his progression. It is sure thing...

Maybe jags will be good trade partner. They will for sure give 2 1st round and 2 2nd round picks for Bakh. he can't play, but what the hell. They have good and competent GM who will trade their future for LT who once was All Pro, just to sit on the bench. Sure thing...

Hmmm. Lions might be candidates. They have Goff and I think they have a lot of cap space. Maybe they will eat ACR salary? Who knows, why not try. But than Packers will have the problem. MLF and ACR are friends and that will be for sure 2 loses for Packers. We saw it this season...

Or Bears? He already owns them. Steelers maybe? To give them the time to develop Pickens (or what is his name anyhow)? Falcons or Saints? Dolphins?

All of those teams will stand in the row just to have opportunity to give Packers huge ransom and got QB who really do not know will he retire or not before the next season and cost fortune...

I can imagine that scenario!

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Fubared's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:45 pm

I think we know what suck looks like. Is easy really you watch a lot of football and compare the teams with winning records and losing records and you kind of get. Dont need to be a GM to figure that out not to mention the GM has to stand up for the fn mistakes they made drafting but only when their boss starts complaining, not us.

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beautiful_mystery's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:03 pm

COME ON PEOPLE! "Over? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!... It ain't over now, 'cause when the goin' gets tough, the tough get goin'. Who's with me? Let's go! Come on!..."

(Belushi ran to the front door but no one followed him)

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barutanseijin's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:14 pm

As a Chicago native, Belushi was probably a Bear fan. He attended UW-Whitewater for a while, but back in those days you could barely get the Packer game on the TV out there. And if you did, the Packers would have scared you away from fandom.

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beautiful_mystery's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:30 pm

Everyone, step away from the basement window...the voice of reason...Uncle Burp is in the HOUSEEE.👌💪👍

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Fubared's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:47 pm

What a freekin dumpster fire. I will be shocked if the Bills dont win by three touch downs. Diva boy will probably re injure his boo boo and go out the game so as to not be totally embarassed

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beautiful_mystery's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:51 pm

Noooooo Fubared....we keep #12 in, no matter what. We need the higher draft picks!

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beautiful_mystery's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:57 pm

I do have to give #12 props for participating in the last play of the game...I did appreciate his effort. Not sure how many QBs would have jumped in. Thank you Aaron Charles Rodgers for the effort on that. 👍✌️

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Since'61's picture

October 24, 2022 at 07:46 pm

First I don't see the Packers making a trade that could have an impact on this season. I have no idea who is available but anyone who is a game changer is going to cost the Packers draft and cap capital. We don't have much cap space and we're going to need all the picks we can get our hands on to get the Packers rebuilt over the next 2-3 seasons.

The NFL is not like MLB where you can trade for an aging veteran who can still make an impact for relatively low cost.
Beyond that this Packers team needs more than one player to get them back on track. They have actually been fortunate on the injury front so far this season.

How did we get here? Murphy, went MIA to build Titletown during the TT era when TT'[s health was going downhill. That was the start.
Then Murphy decided to hire MLF after just one interview. Terrible management practice. The next strategic blunder was Murphy's decision to extend Rodgers and sacrifice the Packers salary cap until 2024. Gute hurt by drafting Love when the team desperately needed and still does need a legit #1 NFL receiver. For Rodgers entire career the Packers have yet to draft a receiver in the first round. Makes no sense.

The Packers will need to play out this season with most of the current roster. Gute may do some bottom of the roster churning but I don't see an addition that will make a significant impact for the team at this point. It's really up to the coaching staff to get this figured out and get the team back on track.
Thanks, Since '61

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jurp's picture

October 25, 2022 at 08:43 am

"It's really up to the coaching staff to get this figured out and get the team back on track."

So what you're really saying is that we're screwed.

Not that I disagree with you at all, BTW.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 25, 2022 at 10:26 am

" For Rodgers entire career the Packers have yet to draft a receiver in the first round. Makes no sense."

Since, around 20 years ago we took Javon Walker in the first round. I think the organization has decided since then that we can get very good WRs on the second day of the draft, and we've landed Jennings, Jordy, Jones, Adams, Cobb.

We will have to play out this season with our current roster, and I'm fine with that. We have our preferred line in place now, a decent defense, and there's no reason we need to collapse to 6-11, like many are saying.

Murphy, and Gutekunst, are responsible for the transition to the post-Rodgers era. So far, they squeezed two MVP seasons out of him while drafting a blue chip replacement and developing him. I don't think extending Rodgers and drafting Love were mistakes.

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Croatia's picture

October 24, 2022 at 08:09 pm

This year is a bust trade everybody worth trading!

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Spanky65's picture

October 24, 2022 at 09:34 pm

Dean Lowry should not be part of the future ????

You have to be Mad to even say that after what happened
in the NFC Championship Game against the 49'ers in 2019 and the
only reason he is with the Packers (STILL) Is because no team
in the NFL wants this worthless player but then leave it to
Guttenkusk to be the only GM inf the NFL to sign him to an
extension Dean Lowry should not be or ever have been parts
of the Packers Future Period

And can we trade Joe Barry before the trading deadline if
possible. Of course not because no team would want this pathetic
DC after being fired from the Washington Redskins after being there
only two seasons and of course being the DC of the first 0-16 team
in NFL History ( The 2008 Detroit Lions) But yet Lafleur hires him to run the
defense.

No we can see why the Packer are on a 3 Game Losing Streak
and Lafleur looking more like the leading character of a Lost In Space Episode
than an NFL Head Coach

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lou's picture

October 27, 2022 at 05:33 pm

Nice photo, we have had 3 Generations of Marines, my father WWII (Saipan-Tinian-Tarawa), myself Vietnam (1sMarDiv Danang), and my son Kosovo.

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jhtobias's picture

October 24, 2022 at 10:57 pm

I agree with this 100 percent

Personally I would say everyone on offense as long as it is financially possible should be up for trade except for Jordan love gotta see if he can do anything , some of the young lineman other than that everything goes for the right return , Really don't care how Rodgers feels at this point . He has brought a lot of great years but he knew what he was signing up for and either way they are financially screwed with or without him .

As for Defense determine who are your core players, and I bet and I don't know the financials but guys like Preston smith, Amos, Rasul Douglass but he might be a core player , Jaron Reed , Lowrey , no one wants savage can bring some return to a contender .

The culture is shot in green bay time to move on

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fangirl's picture

October 25, 2022 at 12:21 am

The Packers have had an incredibly long run of success...30 years. Packer fans are not familiar with this new reality.
Other fan-bases have more experience with frustration and loss and mediocre teams
My suggestion is to realize that you are in a new reality. The run is likely over for now. It will take time to pay off the debt, draft and develop new players and come to grips w/no play-off potential for 5-7 years. Everyone will live through it.
IMO, you will look back @ the greatness of Aaron and appreciate what he brought and how fortunate you were to have him for 18 years-a 4 time MVP in the small town of Green Bay.

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Guam's picture

October 25, 2022 at 08:56 am

Just a clarification Fangirl - old Packer fans remember the glory days of Lombardi, the two decades of mediocrity in the 70's and 80's and the glory days again of the Favre/Rodgers era. Unfortunately it appears we are headed for another dry spell. You are correct - we will live through it as we have done before.

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Johnblood27's picture

October 25, 2022 at 08:57 am

nope

not going there

you are waaaaay off base with that drivel.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

October 25, 2022 at 01:14 pm

Rodgers will certainly be remembered for his greatness, but this year will put a pall on our collective memory of him. It's a shame. Green Bay fans of this Hall of Fame Packer QB who has provided innumerable thrills to Packers fans are taking to calling him diva, arrogant, making fun of his off-the-field lifestyle, even his haircut (which does deserve a special place in barbershop infamy for being particularly unpleasant to look at when leaking out of a football helmet).

But with all of this, I blame Packer management, from the very beginning of his career right up to today. This supremely gifted athlete has had GMs TT and Gute, both of whom were mediocre to poor drafters, and in crucial years refused to add that one piece that could have put what were great teams over the top. TT passed on Marshawn Lynch and Randy Moss, Hall of Famers who could have been had for squat, and who went on to win SBs for other teams. Gute did nothing last year to add to the receiver corps when he could have found a way to add OBJ, who wanted to play with Rodgers and instead went on to make the Rams SB champs. Everyone and his mother knew it was necessary to add a receiver, but Gute drafted Love and did nothing to add to Rodger's arsenal, giving Rodgers almost no choice but to obsessively zero in on Adams, to the team's detriment in the playoffs. And coaches... on defense, Capers, Pettine, and Barry, bottom-of-the-barrel NFL coordinators in almost any evaluation. And finally, at head coach, MM, the human brain fart, followed by MLF, who looks and acts like a college cheerleader, but is asked to coach an NFL team with SB potential.

Now, most of us are sorry we re-signed Rodgers. And should be. Another massive blunder by a dumb-as-sin management team led by Gute. But don't blame Rodgers. He's been a great Packer and I believe he came back not for the money alone, but because he still had the competitive spirit to fight for a championship.

Fire Gute, fire LaFleur, fire Barry, convince Murphy to retire early... and remember Rodgers, not for what we're seeing this year but for what he gave us for 17 years,

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