Three Positions Besides Quarterback Where the Packers May Struggle Due to Inexperience

The Green Bay Packers are a much younger team this season than they were a year ago. Only three players on this roster are 30 or older on the current roster and they are De’Vondre Campbell, Preston Smith, and David Bakhtiari.

GM Brian Gutekunst indicated the team was not necessarily trying to get younger but did place a larger emphasis on team speed over the offseason.

But with youth comes growing pains and inexperience. Here is a look at three positions where the Packers lack of experience may cause them to struggle in 2023, especially early in the season.

3. Kicker

Anders Carlson has a rocket for a leg. The 57-yard field goal he made at Lambeau Field against the Seahawks in the third preseason game certainly attests to his potential to make long range kicks.

While the former Auburn star can make long kicks, he has also been inconsistent. In the first preseason game against Cincinnati, Carlson missed two extra points by hooking them wide right.

Against the Seahawks in the preseason finale, Carlson made the 57-yard kick but also had an extra point blocked. That totals three missed PATs in three games.

Carlson will also have to learn to handle the wind at Lambeau Field and he’ll need to learn to kick in the cold weather come November and December.

Special teams coordinator Rich Bisaccia worked with Carlson’s brother Daniel when he was with the Raiders. Daniel Carlson went from being released by the Minnesota Vikings (after missing some kicks against the Packers no less) to earning All Pro honors with the Raiders.

Carlson will certainly have his ups and downs this season. He’ll likely make some long-distance kicks and miss some frustrating extra points. The Packers love his strong leg and his potential. Expect some ups and downs this year but the Packers are willing to give Carlson a chance to figure things out.

2. Tight End

The Packers will be relying on two rookie tight ends to play large roles on offense this season in second round pick Luke Musgrave and third round choice, Tucker Kraft.

Tight end is considered one of the tougher positions for rookies to pick up. It requires learning pass patterns, blocking for the run, pass protection and chipping a pass rusher before running a pattern.

All rookies need to adjust to the thicker playbook and numerous route trees in the NFL and to playing against bigger, faster, and stronger players than they faced in college. For tight ends, it usually takes a little longer than most other positions.

The Packers rookie record for catches in a season by a rookie tight end was set by Bubba Franks back in 2000 when he caught 34 passes for 363 yards and one touchdown.

Musgrave has a good chance to beat that record. He provides the Packers with a downfield threat they haven’t had at tight end since Jermichael Finley’s career ended prematurely due to injury a decade ago.

Musgrave showed potential in the preseason and in training camp, but getting it done in the regular season when defenses are blitzing more often and disguising their coverages is another thing. He will also be going up against starters the entire game once the season gets underway.

Kraft seems to be taking a bit longer to pick up the playbook and adjust to life in the NFL. Matt LaFleur will ask him to play a bigger role in the offense as soon as he proves he’s ready.

The two young tight ends are talented and have potential, but expect some early-season mistakes, missed assignments and running the wrong route as the two young players adjust to life in the NFL.

1. Wide Receiver

The Packers kept six wide receivers on their roster this year but none of them have more than one year of NFL experience.

Christian Watson started 11 games in his rookie year while Romeo Doubs started seven. Samori Toure has started two games. Jayden Reed, Dontayvion Reed, and Malik Heath are rookies.

When you add two rookie tight ends and six receivers with 20 games as starters combined in their careers with a quarterback who has started one game in his NFL career you have a recipe for growing pains.

This group is talented, athletic, and enthusiastic and they’ve put in the work over the offseason and in training camp, but this is a process. It will take time for Jordan Love to get more comfortable with his young receivers and tight ends as they all assume new roles in the offense.

Matt LaFleur will have to take a different approach to teaching these young players than he did with a veteran quarterback and receivers like he had in his first four seasons in Green Bay.

The Packers are inexperienced at these key positions and there will be growing pains here at times. How quickly the team improves, and the young players learn the offense will go a long way to determining how successful the 2023 version of the Packers can be.

 

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Coldworld's picture

August 31, 2023 at 11:06 am

We could add a 4th, safety if we cleared out the experience. In that case we might be better.

Incredibly, it’s hard to see a pairing of AJJ and Sapp as definitively worse than any pairing of non rookies.

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canadapacker's picture

August 31, 2023 at 11:31 am

I would be worried about the big play against our Dbacks - our only saving grace might be a better pass rush. I am a little worried about the receivers not running the correct routes leading to some pick 6's - AR struggled his first year as the full time starter and if that communication is not bang on - bad things could happen.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 31, 2023 at 12:19 pm

So, if we're worried about our Dbacks, and our safeties,and we're worried about giving up big plays, would it make more sense to play press coverage or a soft zone? And would you rather see Fields handing off or running around looking downfield?

I would think that I'd rather see him handing off, but that's just me.

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T7Steve's picture

August 31, 2023 at 12:35 pm

"would you rather see Fields handing off or running around looking downfield?"

You forgot to add handing off or running downfield. A legitimate threat to just run.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 31, 2023 at 12:40 pm

I want to see him hand off. Period. As long as the ball is in his hands, bad things could happen. But if we stuff the run, the way a lot of people think we should, it's only going to put the ball in Field's hands more.

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T7Steve's picture

August 31, 2023 at 01:06 pm

Making any QB 1 dimensional is a win. Fields (actually any QB) will struggle if the D can T up on him. Think Love when he played against the Chiefs. He and his coach didn't get rolling till it was too late.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 31, 2023 at 01:09 pm

So you'd rather put the ball in Field's hands and make him beat us, whereas I would try to get the ball out of his hands and make other people beat us.

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T7Steve's picture

August 31, 2023 at 01:21 pm

I don't want him to beat us I want us to beat HIM. Regularly!

He wasn't very good at passing last season. Maybe it was partly due to his O-line and receivers, but teams wanted them to run, you're right. He racked up a lot of yards rushing, I think.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 31, 2023 at 08:54 pm

The main issue with da Bares this season will be if Justin Fields can pass. Until he proves he can, defying him to beat us deep is a winning strategy. His chances of success in that endeavor go down if he's pressured.

I'm less confident that we can stop him on foot.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 31, 2023 at 02:34 pm

You're seriously worried about Fields throwing the ball? So you think we have a top flight pass defense and are seriously worried about the worst starting QB last year in the league throwing the ball? I think you've taken this"I don't care if they run all over us"mentality way too far. It might surprise you to know that defenses can be good at stopping the run AND stopping the pass. Top 10 defenses do it every year.

You also seem to neglect the fact that it's much easier to convert 2nd and 4 than it is to convert 2nd and 8. Could be why the Packers finished 26th in 3rd down conversion rate last year. But keep telling yourself the defense was good.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 31, 2023 at 02:51 pm

The defense had the 8th best 3rd down conversion rate. And Fields got more yards, and points, through the air than he did on the ground.

I’d be interested in knowing how many teams did a better game job against the run AND pass than Green Bay. Short list, I’d bet.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 31, 2023 at 03:47 pm

Sorry, I was thinking of yards per play given up. And they weren't 26 they were 28th.

Fields had a better yards per rush than per pass, 7.14 to 7.05. But you do you.

Every team that finished ahead of them in passing defense also finished ahead of them in rushing defense. It's what good defenses do . The 2022 Packers defense was not good.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 31, 2023 at 04:07 pm

Yards per play. Not yards, not points. Got it. That’s what is important.

I don’t think you’ve ever played football.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 31, 2023 at 08:59 pm

I think you played. In the '60s or '70s. Your conservatism would make Marty Schottenheimer proud.

I played in the '80s and loved '80s NFL football but have adapted as the league has changed.

Someday you can explain to me how the Packers allowed 365 yards rushing to the Eagles and still managed to win. Or maybe I'll just start ignoring your ridiculousness again.

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Bitternotsour's picture

August 31, 2023 at 07:01 pm

Justin Fields looks 3 yards downfield. Regardless, he'll be running around, it's the design of their offense.

But hey, the Bears want to get their quarterback killed, who are we to argue with them.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 31, 2023 at 09:04 pm

I'm advocating for violence; violent disruption of opposing backfields. Chicago is the ideal place to start.

GPG!

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Coach Cleve Steamer's picture

August 31, 2023 at 11:42 am

Coldworld is right about safety, but I would also add a 5th position group that is very young and inexperienced which is Quarterback. Jordan Love has played in 10 games over 3 seasons. 83 passes, 50 completions with 3 tds and 3 interceptions. 606 yards. So he’s really like a second year rookie. Clifford has not played in a game that counts. I’d say that’s easily as young and inexperienced as the receivers and tight ends.

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T7Steve's picture

August 31, 2023 at 12:16 pm

You're right, but Gill headlined the article "Besides QB" so he meant they were included.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 31, 2023 at 01:04 pm

You forgot to mention the hundreds of practices, the thousands of hours of film study and work with professional coaches. But yeah, other than that, he's a like a second year rookie, whatever that is.

In my memory, no QB ever has been better prepared to be a starting NFL QB. The only possible comparison would be Aaron Rodgers, who actually had less game experience when he became the starter. I think it's a real mistake to assume that Love is going to be a typical first year starter

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T7Steve's picture

August 31, 2023 at 01:27 pm

I believe that the other teams know he's going to be good/efficient too.

Only the "experts" are doubting him because he couldn't win his job sooner over an MVP.

The Packers wrote this book. They aren't even close to the final chapter.

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GregC's picture

August 31, 2023 at 12:06 pm

First, let's get the facts right: The blocked PAT against the Seahawks was not Carlson's fault. At all. A defender came in off the edge and blocked it just as it left Carlson's foot.

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Coldworld's picture

August 31, 2023 at 12:58 pm

It was Kraft completely whiffing. That may be why we have claimed Sims in part.

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T7Steve's picture

August 31, 2023 at 01:29 pm

Somebody thumbed you for telling the truth?

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GregC's picture

August 31, 2023 at 12:13 pm

Off topic, but does anyone else have problems with this web site? On my Mac, I gave up using the Safari browser because it kept freezing, which does not happen on any other sites. So far so good on Firefox, so maybe that's Safari's fault. On my Samsung phone, when I click on a command on my screen, it often does nothing, and worst of all, when I write a post I often have trouble submitting it because the "Submit Comment" option is almost completely obscured by pop-up ads. I've lost a lot of posts because of that. Suggestions are welcome. CheeseheadTV, are you listening?

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T7Steve's picture

August 31, 2023 at 12:20 pm

My biggest problems are all the extra thumbs I have.

Before I can submit I have to hit that little X on the popup perfectly or my comment disappears. I don't think I could do it on anything but a desktop.

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splitpea1's picture

August 31, 2023 at 12:23 pm

Stick with Firefox--I've never had a problem.

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Coldworld's picture

August 31, 2023 at 01:01 pm

Yes, to the add issue on a phone and in terms of its general tendency to reset eating a post before posting. It also likes logging me out unpredictably.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 31, 2023 at 02:39 pm

I had that problem too so I switched to an add free mobile internet site(Brave). No problems now. I used to deal with it until they started showing voice ads with no way to cancel them.

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Oppy's picture

August 31, 2023 at 03:03 pm

Mobile site is absolutely atrocious. But then, I think browsing anything on mobile is no better than a poor experience.

On PC, I've never had significant problems with anything on this site. There is an annoying "feature" where links to articles or comments don't work if they are in the lower 1/3 or so of the page space; I still believe this is a hold-over issue from mobile design or in someway related to the pop-up banner advertisements, but in any case, I just scroll the page up a little bit and it's fine.

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greengold's picture

August 31, 2023 at 03:43 pm

Greg, I have the exact same problems on my iPhone 13 Pro. Crazy. I've lost well over 100 postings that blinked out into the ether, and I had to either re-type them in or forget about it.

I don't have problems in Safari on my iMac.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

August 31, 2023 at 04:43 pm

For me, a lot of the issues started when the floating video of Aaron started popping up in addition to the adds. I stopped even attempting to post on my iPad (firefox) because of the constant refreshes that delete any comments I was working on.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 31, 2023 at 09:08 pm

Greg,

I've completely given up on the app for exactly that reason, you have to compete with the ads to try to submit a post. While the website is fine, sometimes there's a lag. I can't tell if that's on my end (device or ISP) or this site.

I can also edit a comment on the website, whereas on the app I cannot.

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GregC's picture

August 31, 2023 at 09:43 pm

Interesting to read these responses, because everyone's experience is different. Some do better than me, and some do worse. At least it is mostly functional for me, so I will keep plugging away. Thanks everyone for your responses. At least I know that it's not just me.

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Packfangirl's picture

September 01, 2023 at 03:41 pm

My computer keeps giving me a message about a malicious URL and I have to leave the site..I only go on my phone now since so many issues..anyone else have that issue?

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jont's picture

September 01, 2023 at 01:27 pm

linux OS
firefox
no problems

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splitpea1's picture

August 31, 2023 at 12:32 pm

Musgrave is the Packers' favorite new toy, and so as long as he stays healthy he'll get plenty of opportunities to break the team record. By how many receptions and yardage I don't know, but a few more TDs seems to be a safe bet.

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T7Steve's picture

August 31, 2023 at 01:09 pm

Won't take much production to eclipse the last couple of seasons' production.

Think how much that opens up even if they just have to honor him.

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greengold's picture

August 31, 2023 at 03:35 pm

Great call, splitpea1.

I think Musgrave has a chance to be that special player in his Packers career. Jermichael Finley had the most Targets in a season by a Packers player with 92 in 2011, which is about 5.75 Targets per game. Bubba Franks was next with something like 88. Mark Chmura was lucky to get half of those totals.

The best in the business, Tony Gonzalez, peaked in 2008 with 155 Targets on the season, which came to almost 10 Targets/game. He eclipsed 150 Targets on a season 3 times. Remarkable. Rob Gronkowski's highest number of Targets was 131.

Luke Musgrave! Listen up. CTFB. That'll get you there, and you'll love it.

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Coldworld's picture

August 31, 2023 at 07:23 pm

Paul Coffman had the best season ever by a Packers TE and is out best ever TE, in my opinion.

Between 1978 and 1985 he played in 119 games, generating 4,22 yards, 322 receptions and 39 TDs. His average YPC, 13.1, exceeded Finley’s. Finley, had he not been injured, might have done enough to challenge that. Musgrave will play WR more than Coffman or Finley, but if he can out do Coffman then we are laughing. He has the potential to do much more.

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Bitternotsour's picture

September 01, 2023 at 08:45 am

Marv Fleming has 4 super bowl rings, played on an undefeated team, and managed a 12 year NFL career. I might argue that it's Marv. He was also pretty um flamboyant for a Lombardi era Packer.

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x24's picture

August 31, 2023 at 12:35 pm

Agreed on tight end- it's long learning curve... Franks for instance- those 34 catches came from 55 targets. That's a lot of dropped balls

Hoping we found a gem in Ben Sims

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Leatherhead's picture

August 31, 2023 at 01:07 pm

Bubba never dropped anything. His 6-6" frame bailed out Favre many times. He had good hands. Not every target is a catchable ball.

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T7Steve's picture

August 31, 2023 at 01:11 pm

Unless it was catchable for the defense.

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Coldworld's picture

August 31, 2023 at 07:31 pm

Bubba also had a 100% passer rating and a 31 yards per completion average.

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packer132's picture

August 31, 2023 at 01:08 pm

I know that Franks had 34 receptions in 2000 but did not see on 55 targets. That does not mean he had 21 drops. Most if not all would have been overthrows, underthrows, pass break up, etc. I think Sims can help create competition with the two drafted tight ends and the group should be a big improvement from years past.

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Coldworld's picture

August 31, 2023 at 06:32 pm

His forte was the red zone. He wasn’t much of a consistent weapon outside of it, but could just get open in it.

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Deelux523's picture

August 31, 2023 at 01:41 pm

Certainly, TE and WR rooms are less experienced than the past.

But remember late-stage McCarthy, when he ran the same concepts over and over and over expecting ageing Jordy and Cobb to get separation, and for 12 to "throw them open?"

Let's see what happens when a coach who schemes receivers open, and a QB who throws to all of the field (and doesn't audible out of half the run plays) work together to run a holistic, modern NFL offense.

As opposed to a pathologically pass-first QB that only throws outside, and only to his "most trusted" receivers. Hmmm....I bet no opposing DCs ever figured that out.

There will be growing pains. And of course I'll always miss Davante getting separation on anyone and everyone.

But every team loses some games. And football is supposed to be entertainment. So if I have to watch my favorite team lose, at least it'll be in new, exciting, and entertaining ways.

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stockholder's picture

August 31, 2023 at 02:30 pm

Such Great Expectations.
And then the back pedal!

3. Carlson- the percentage rate will tell the story.
2. Even when we had Finley and Lee.
The Tes never caught over 600 yds.(In 2010)
1. Can they get open?
Comfortable? That Doesn't have anything to
do with this. Either Love can hit a guy.
Or It's time to improvise.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 31, 2023 at 02:42 pm

Think you mean back pedal.

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stockholder's picture

August 31, 2023 at 02:52 pm

Thank you- Not trying to sell anything

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Oppy's picture

August 31, 2023 at 03:05 pm

You sure about that?

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Packers0808's picture

August 31, 2023 at 02:42 pm

Hit the guy, guy still has to catch it!

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stockholder's picture

August 31, 2023 at 07:26 pm

Thats so True.
I wonder if Love can dislocate fingers like #4 did.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 31, 2023 at 09:15 pm

It'd be better if he didn't.

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Packers0808's picture

September 01, 2023 at 12:18 am

I know some brains that have been dislocated.

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Fubared's picture

August 31, 2023 at 10:22 pm

Pass D is the achiles heel. It will bite you in the arse this year again.

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Oppy's picture

August 31, 2023 at 11:46 pm

It's really like you didn't watch the packers play last year.

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