Veteran Cornerback Market Dwindling for Packers

One week ago, I wrote about the Green Bay Packers' need to get it right at cornerback.  If that plan still includes adding a veteran, their options have become very few.

Earlier this week, the Packers signed Chicago Bears cornerback Kyle Fuller to an offer sheet that was quickly matched by the Bears.  Fuller will remain in Chicago but the move appeared to show the Packers' interest in adding some young experience to their secondary.

Among the top names left on the free agent market are E.J. Gaines, Ross Cockrell, Jeremy Lane, Tramon Williams, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Byron Maxwell and Davon House.

Gaines visited with the Arizona Cardinals this past weekend although no deal has been reported yet.  Lane is dealing with a legal issue stemming from an arrest earlier this year that will likely affect teams' interest in him.  Rodgers-Cromartie reportedly won't sign with anyone until April and is mulling his future.

The Seattle Seahawks are currently in talks to extend Maxwell.  That leaves Williams and House, both former Packers who are another year older.  Neither offers a dramatic improvement to the cornerback room if signed.  Cockrell could be a target.

There are likely to be more players released this summer and during training camp, but if added to Green Bay's roster, they wouldn't have the benefit of a full offseason learning new defensive coordinator Mike Pettine's system.

Packers General Manager Brian Gutekunst may have another idea for addressing the need at corner.  He could have a trade scenario in mind that may not play out until draft time.  Or he may be planning to use some early picks on some of the top corner prospects.

Adding top and young talent is important at a position where youth typically means more speed but there is a lot of risk in counting on a rookie to contribute in a major way.

I've called for more experience at cornerback as it seems that this has been lacking in Green Bay over recent seasons.  It manifests itself at the worst time: the postseason.  The Packers have also dealt with injuries there, which are always unpredictable.

With the clock ticking away, Green Bay's opportunity to add a solid, impact cornerback with some experience is shrinking.  Fingers crossed that the team has a plan that we don't know about or this upcoming season could be rough going.

 

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Jason is a freelance writer on staff since 2012 and also co-hosts Cheesehead TV Live, Pulse of the Pack and Pack A Day podcasts.  You can follow him on Twitter here

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stockholder's picture

March 19, 2018 at 06:18 am

They don't Care. Jackson's the pick.

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NickPerry's picture

March 19, 2018 at 07:03 am

I would rather do NOTHING than sign a CB who ends up being a mistake. Now if they can wheel and deal via trade for a CB who has upside and won't cost a fortune I'm all for it. Without looking I'm not very familiar with Cockrell and the "Market Value" on Sportac for Gaines is pretty high ($9.3 Million a year). I was thinking of Lane but if he's got issues coming in forget it.

Bring in House and Williams if possible on contracts with little or no guaranteed money, something I think is entirely possible. Take some of those 4th and 5th round picks and try to move up in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Hell if they could get back in the 2nd round without giving up to much then do that.

Even if they sit where they are through the first rounds the Packers should be able to help themselves. The draft is heavy on CB's this year. They should be able to land 2 good CB's in the first 4 rounds and still grab and Edge rusher, WR, and OL or TE.

Like Jason said there will be some cuts for the Packers to sign. I'm still not panicking.

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Razer's picture

March 19, 2018 at 08:05 am

I agree with you, RCPackerFan and the rest who would look to add a low price vet such as Tramon or House and get two in the draft (one being a high pick). In the meantime, keep working on the pass rush and get ready for the draft.

We took our shot at Kyle Fuller and missed. Such is the game. For my money, FA is high stakes gambling. At some point you need to push back from the table and recognize that all the risk isn't going to fix your team. And as I have said before, repairing the secondary will be a two year deal at best - unless we keep making mistakes in our draft and develop process.

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Chuck Farley's picture

March 19, 2018 at 08:19 am

If your not drafting low enough where you going to get the real play makers versus players? A lot of fa's have a lot of gas still in tank and were cut for money reasons. Those seem to be the ones the pack passes on due to lack of money.

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Lare's picture

March 19, 2018 at 12:42 pm

Agree with signing House and/or Williams, they both know Green Bay and the Packers can use some experience in the DB room, especially if Burnett signs elsewhere.

I would expect at least 3 DB's to be drafted by the Pack this year, thankfully it's a deep draft to do that.

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holmesmd's picture

March 19, 2018 at 01:54 pm

Don’t they pick 1st in the 3rd & 4th rounds because of the CLE trade?

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worztik's picture

March 19, 2018 at 06:58 pm

4th and 5th...

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HankScorpio's picture

March 19, 2018 at 07:08 am

There is nobody left that is worth winning a bidding war of any significance. By that I mean most of the contracts already signed will lead to cap casualty cuts in the near future. That's not helping much of anything for those teams. Bad contracts under the cap hurt the team, whether it is homegrown talent like Nick Perry or a FA.

So it comes down to whether the Packers make a competitive offer, nobody else makes a crazy one AND the player selects GB over other similar offers. I hope they can get something done with one or two of them. Two is better since I think we're into the territory where any one might offer little or no help.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 19, 2018 at 07:18 am

At this point I hope they bring House back, and draft a CB or 2 higher in the draft. I would be ok with bringing Williams back as well.

One guy to maybe watch now is Bashaud Breeland. He had a deal signed with Carolina but failed his physical due to a foot infection. He might be a guy they go after now.

Perhaps they will be looking to go the trade route. I have heard rumblings, that Patrick Peterson might be an option. No clue if there is any truth to it, but if they got him on a trade deal, that would instantly upgrade the secondary.
The next option is to wait until cut downs. Perhaps picking up a guy right before the season starts.

Currently they are getting a healthy King. Which he was our best CB until he couldn't finish the year. I think Pettine is going to love Pipkins. Don't be surprised if he surprises in year 2. Another guy to watch is Waters. They resigned him and he is a guy that they were extremely high on last year until he got hurt.
Another guy to watch is Rollins. Much like Hayward Rollins had a great rookie year, then the following 2 years nothing but injuries. But Rollins in his 4th year is getting a new DC where Hayward's was year 5. Perhaps a new DC and scheme will help Rollins, like a new on helped Hayward.

In all honesty, i'm not panicking or worrying about it. There is a lot of offseason left. Still over a month away from the draft. No reason to panic now.

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JDK52's picture

March 19, 2018 at 09:08 am

Good stuff, RC. To add a bit, the last two years have been so bad on the injury and scheme/coaching fronts that it's fair to say we don't know what we have in the secondary right now. I certainly don't expect we come out with an above-average group of CB's this season, but it shouldn't suck as bad as the last couple years.

High pick at DB, plus a savvy veteran FA, and some more camp bodies, we should be okay.

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Razer's picture

March 19, 2018 at 11:54 am

Well said.

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Savage57's picture

March 19, 2018 at 07:19 am

At this point, with the talent drop into week 2 of FA, you shift gears and wait for the draft, any more cap cuts and the post camp cuts to try and re-stock the position.

What is it about Packers brass that makes them all but ignore their most glaring position group needs until all the talent which might make a difference is accounted for?

I've gotten bored seeing this movie year after year. I get the BAP idea over need, but can you really look at who the Packers have drafted over the last several and say they opted to select the better player with a straight face?

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HankScorpio's picture

March 19, 2018 at 07:56 am

"What is it about Packers brass that makes them all but ignore their most glaring position group needs until all the talent which might make a difference is accounted for?"

There is a world of difference between "all but ignoring" and "declining to sign bad FA deals". The first is irresponsible, the second is playing it smart.

I've read the contract details on a lot of the FA CBs that have been signed. It's a lot of funny money on the back end that will result in cap casualty cuts and dead cap money. Short-term gain for long-term pain is a downward spiral.

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Savage57's picture

March 19, 2018 at 11:20 am

For your sake, I hope the Packers draft comes up aces with DB's, because in this free agency period, they got worse.

All the cap savings in the world won't do a lot of good when you're trying to surround your future, not-generational-QB with talent.

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dobber's picture

March 19, 2018 at 07:25 am

It could be that this has been the Packers plan all along. To take a stab at a higher-end FA in the CB market, but otherwise to poke around at some average CBs and plan to pick up a couple in the draft.

I would be more than a little nervous if the Packers go into camp with their current CB group, a couple draft picks, and and handful of UDFAs. I think they'll find a vet or maybe two, yet, who get cut or for low-level contracts...contracts they can cull out if those guys turn out to be deadbeats.

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HankScorpio's picture

March 19, 2018 at 08:02 am

Gute did single out DBs as being particularly strong in this year's draft. If you believe that, the strategy you lay out makes perfect sense.

With simplified coverages under Pettine, I don't see any reason that a rook DB can't step in right away, assuming he can play. That is a major reason why many of us wanted Capers gone...he needed a year or two to teach rooks his defense. You can't survive like that in the NFL anymore.

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dobber's picture

March 19, 2018 at 08:40 am

Very possible that they could make it on a couple of high DB draft picks. As others have said, maybe we're undervaluing Hawkins and Pipkins and Brown in this new system. Until we see what these guys can do under fire, it's a real roll of the dice...one that lends itself to an ascending CB group in 2019 and 2020, but to ulcers among most fans in 2018.

Personally, I don't like putting that much pressure on the upcoming draft at that one position. I think it ties the Packers hands...who are they going to pass up on in the first two rounds when they know they have to have at least one CB who can play right away?

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Turophile's picture

March 19, 2018 at 09:16 am

I agree with Dobber in not wanting to put too much pressure on any single position in the draft. There is already too much pressure to get starter quality guys on several positions, WR, CB, OLB, TE. Any half-decent vet at CB or WR helps give the new draftees time to learn the system and allows a more flexible draft approach than being forced into a rigid "get X position this round, get Y next round, then Z the round after.

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Tundraboy's picture

March 19, 2018 at 03:25 pm

Such is our life in recent years. Ulcers and nail biting

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Handsback's picture

March 19, 2018 at 07:45 am

Williams was one of the highest rated CB based on last year's results. He's still there but a year older. I could see the Packers signing both House and Williams and picking up a couple more in the draft. They could also pin their hopes on a young guy ready to break out like Delvin Breaux. Either direction, it gives the rookies time to learn, and House / Williams/Breaux can fill in as starters until the new guys are ready.

It seems like the best bet since you don't want high priced vets on the team when the young guys (cheaper labor) can do the job. Just have to pick the right guys!

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dobber's picture

March 19, 2018 at 08:51 am

I'm with you on Breaux. He's a compelling story up til 2016. Has good length (6'1", 195, haven't seen an arm measurement) and supposedly ran a 4.42 at one point. He's not 'young' but not over the hill, either...27 I think.

Had a serious spinal injury in HS, couldn't get cleared at LSU and dropped out. Played what amounts to semi-pro ball for a year, arena league, then CFL for a couple years. Returned to his home-town Saints as a FA, had a great first season there (2015), then broke his leg in 2016 and the other in 2017. Saints let him go last week. He's made a couple visits (Texans and Pats, I think), but no contract, yet. No word on whether he failed a physical (which would be a problem), but I think he'll come relatively cheaply and has a chance to be a serviceable outside CB. I like him better than House at this point, but House will likely be even less expensive.

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Cubbygold's picture

March 19, 2018 at 02:05 pm

Sounds like another gamble like waters. While several of these guys should be on the team, they obviously can't be brought in with the expectation that they'll be the solution. I'm all in favor of this, as long as it's accompanied by a signing of house/williams/etc.

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4thand1's picture

March 19, 2018 at 08:05 am

After the draft, we will be able to put so much pressure on the QB Rick Eisen could play CB. Maybe by picking up Kizer a trade will be in the works, Az will need someone when Brad is sitting on the sidelines. We have a high draft pick in Rollins and other guys to fall back on. We have had success with UDFA's and training camp allows to bring in a ton of people. Hell, bring in 20 and let the best player earn a spot.

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Big_Mel_75's picture

March 19, 2018 at 08:06 am

If our front 4 can get some consistent pressure it will help our DBs look much better. I still think we go with OLB with the first pick..

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Razer's picture

March 19, 2018 at 08:59 am

I think D-line/LB pressure should be our emphasis going into 2018 to help compensate for a weaker/younger secondary. I would still like to see us get Tramon Williams and let him help us while we bring the younger guys up to speed. He can help on the boundary or in the slot.

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Chuck Farley's picture

March 19, 2018 at 08:14 am

Dwindling? The market was dwindling before free agency like last year and the year before.
The agents run this show. They see how little cap space the pack have and point their guys towards the money.
Look at the bills and jets, both with huge cap money, both getting lots of family interest.
As long as team has the Rogers contract in prime time, there will never be money for top fa,'s. Top fa's won't even talk to the pack.

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jh9's picture

March 19, 2018 at 08:33 am

Those who think drafting a player will solve our current problem at CB are mistaken.

At the moment, Kevin King is our only boundary CB. In terms of NFL experience, he is still a rookie. If we go into the season with King and another rookie at the boundary, it will be a disaster. We need to find an experienced CB and one that can be effective in shutting down the #1 WR on the opposing offense until King is ready for that responsibility.

Yes, we need and should draft a CB. But that doesn't solve the problem. And, IMO, we shouldn't use our 1st round pick for a CB. This is a deep draft for CBs and we can find a talented player in one of the later rounds.

Bringing back either House or Williams isn't the answer. Neither played at a consistently high level with the Packers, and now both are older. We need to upgrade our pass defense this year, not bring the old band back together.

Maybe the right CB will be released before the season starts. But then we're depending on luck. Although E. J. Gaines is a little undersized, he has a proven track record and seems to be a dependable player.

However, if I'm BG, I'm studying all the other NFL rosters looking to find an under-the-radar gem to trade for.

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Bearmeat's picture

March 19, 2018 at 09:00 am

Well said!!

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holmesmd's picture

March 19, 2018 at 02:04 pm

Williams is the most productive CB in the NFL over the last TEN years per PFF!! So there is that. Why we haven’t signed him yet is beyond me. He was very good last year and was a very good Packer previously. I have no idea why you think he wasn’t “good” when he was here?! He was our top boundary CB! What am I missing?

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jh9's picture

March 19, 2018 at 02:40 pm

In 2015 and 2016, Williams was not productive. Yes, he had a bounce back year in 2017. But if he was so good why did Arizona release him? Plus, this year he is 35.

Please don’t tell me with all the resources BG has, he can’t find a better option. IMO, if he can’t he is the wrong person to be the GM for the Packers.

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Finwiz's picture

March 19, 2018 at 02:40 pm

Because he's old, and he's fine against average talent, until they get in the playoffs and he plays elite receivers.

I guess you didn't watch Doug Baldwin TORCH him in OT in the NFCCG.

I can almost guarantee you they aren't going to sign Tramon.

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kevgk's picture

March 19, 2018 at 02:16 pm

it depends. If youre drafting late second/early first, you get guys like king. All the measurabled all the talent, just needs to be refined. Saints grabbed Marshawn Lattimore at 11th overall and turned their defense into a playoff team. If the packers can get someone like Denzel Ward, who could drop or they can trade up, he could hypothetically start game one assuming he is put into a good position to succeed. Same with Tredavious White and the Bills. Jalen Ramsey was only a year 2 player last year. High first round CBs have the potential that the packers havent been able to pick at since 2009.

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jh9's picture

March 19, 2018 at 03:06 pm

I believe we need to draft an edge rusher in the 1st round. We need someone who can produce more sacks than Matthews or Perry. We will not find that kind of edge-rushing talent after the 1st round.

We used a 1st round pick in 2015 for Randall and our first draft pick last year was a CB. Let’s see how King develops this year before we spend another 1st round pick on that position. There will be talented CBs available in later rounds.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

March 19, 2018 at 08:50 am

All I have to say is that whatever BGs plan for the Packers CB group was, this isn't it. I'm guessing he saw a huge class of FAs at Cornerback and expected to get a quality guy to replace Randall, but the market went crazy on him.

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JDK52's picture

March 19, 2018 at 09:15 am

Very much doubt that. This guy isn't new to the FA game, and he has a group of experienced guys reporting to him on all this stuff anyway.

Nobody in the business is surprised by the crazy money thrown around in the first week of FA.

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Cubbygold's picture

March 19, 2018 at 02:01 pm

Yup. The goal was to be in on every conversation, not to outbid any team. There's nothing wrong with being patient and unwilling to overpay for good, not great talent

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 19, 2018 at 09:06 am

This is troubling. The negotiating and signing Fuller ended up wasting precious time. And King is not healthy. I bet he will be wearing a brace for at least part of the season. So counting on King and draft picks is a disaster in the waiting. So pickup a veteran stopgap for a year and take a chance at low money with a injury problem player. Hopefully you get three useable DB's.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 19, 2018 at 09:58 am

PF, do you know for sure that Kevin King will not be healthy for start of ROCs nd other preseason practices.

Can you post any link where we can read that prognosis?

Thank you!

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 19, 2018 at 10:13 am

Sure. I have lived with chronic shoulder dislocations for decades. Yes, surgery techniques have improved and PT is much more effective. My point is don't ASSUME he will be totally healthy and without effects.

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Cubbygold's picture

March 19, 2018 at 02:00 pm

I don't think the CB market changed much in the 45 minutes between signing Fuller and the Bears matching that offer

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holmesmd's picture

March 19, 2018 at 02:07 pm

What are you talking about? KK is expected to be ready for TC without restriction and fully healed. I operate with a Sports Surgeon so if the entire joint had to be replaced, he would still be expected to be ready.

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worztik's picture

March 19, 2018 at 09:12 am

I am not a believer that a rookie draft pick can “not” come in and be an immediate contributor to our D! (Notice the double negative!) There are many CBs and Safeties that have come in as a rookie and lit it up! Conversely, there are many that need time to get comfortable in a pro scheme. Wolfe drafted 3 CBs in the 1st 3 rounds, one year, one of which we used in a trade with Seattle to help bring in a top RB. (Not sure if it was Alexander or Green.) I just want Gute’s team to put together a board that is accurate and stresses our ares of need “this year” and not necessarily the BPA... at “least”for this year, and then go back to BPA if we’re in a position to do so! If we don’t take our next franchise QB with our first pick, draft a CB in rd 1 and rd 2... a TE in 3 and an edge in 4a and 4 b! Spend the rest of the draft to add to the OL, LB AND whatever we need. OR, two CBs in the 1st 2 rounds, an Edge in 3, a TE in 4 (1st pick day 3), a LB with 4b and fill from there. Or we could do nothing I’ve mentioned here as prognosticating is not my job!!!

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CAG123's picture

March 19, 2018 at 09:49 am

So with the possibility of of guys like Ward and James not being there at 14 what do the Packers do? Do they go edge or BPA and then try to grab Alexander in the 2nd? I was honestly never that high on Jackson I feel most of his hype can be summed up in 2 games and now it’s even more so after his combine.

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worztik's picture

March 19, 2018 at 11:56 am

The more transactions that happen, the more confusder I git...

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kevgk's picture

March 19, 2018 at 02:28 pm

Ward and James could drop considering 6 teams need a qb, so expect at least 4 qbs in the top 10. Add Barkley, a few edge rushers, a oline, and some recievers, and one of the top 4 dbs will be there at 14, and probanly 3 to choose from if they trade into top 10

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March 19, 2018 at 01:27 pm

The bottom line is this.....our front office has a history of terrible decision making and choices in the DBfield. HORRID!!!

Even the saddest teddie appologists have to admit how completely - totally - and in epic fasion - failed there.

We had pro bowl players out of position, out of position so draft choices could play positions they were out of position for and the only reason was draft status.

We had TWilliams and House both playing on a level higher than any level Randal or Rollins has seen and it was not close.

There is no doubt Williams and house have outplayed, outworked, outstudies and out competed both Randal and Rollins.

Better to go into this year with either or both of them then either Randal or Rollins. Just like fat, lazy out of shape cowardly RAJI improved the DL by leaving so will dumping the wasted snaps on bad draft choices being out of position, CB is not a waste land if we get Either williams or house back, it is a stronger position (counting on King returning just to his rookie form and without the vaunted but rarely seen 2nd year step)

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Cubbygold's picture

March 19, 2018 at 01:58 pm

I agree. They better get Ted out of that GM role soon.

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worztik's picture

March 19, 2018 at 07:03 pm

And we should trade Randall, too!!!

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flackcatcher's picture

March 19, 2018 at 07:58 pm

heh heh heh heh.......

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Cubbygold's picture

March 19, 2018 at 01:57 pm

If I was a vet like DRC I'd be all over my agent trying to get a deal done. He would be on a competitive team, would have a great shot to lock in a starting role and, if the goal is to coach later in his career, have the perfect opportunity to mentor a young DB group.

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worztik's picture

March 19, 2018 at 07:06 pm

That’s a group, mostly, that shouldn’t even be invited to TC!!!

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worztik's picture

March 19, 2018 at 07:08 pm

Brown and Goodson should go... especially Goodson!

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Lare's picture

March 19, 2018 at 03:19 pm

Although I expect the Packers to bring in at least one veteran CB, I'm also looking forward to seeing where some of the other CBs on their roster currently are in their development.

In addition to King, Rollins and Waters coming off injury, they also have Pipkins, Brown, Hawkins and Goodson. If a couple of them are able to perform at a reasonably high level (in addition to some draft picks) the production from the CB group could improve significantly.

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worztik's picture

March 19, 2018 at 07:05 pm

Doesn’t sound like he wanted us or it was mutual!!!

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carlos's picture

March 19, 2018 at 03:59 pm

Wanted the Honey Badger.

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flackcatcher's picture

March 19, 2018 at 08:16 pm

(sigh) Relax people, FA is still coming into focus. It is early. Packers, like most teams are targeting their most glaring holes. Both their current FA signing are good deals for both the players and team. Some of what is going on is a needed correction to the madness of last season. Some of this is the NFL teams playing hard ball with the player agents, who have as usual oversold their clients on this years market. Packers are doing the smart thing by waiting for the market in DB to find it's level. If I had to make a wild eye guess, I think the Packers will not make a move until after the draft. At that point they will know what holes they need to fill in the secondary. (Of course I could be completely totally wrong, and the Packers have several FA DB ready to sign after the draft, but I doubt it, cause agents love to brag about their client signings.) We will just have to wait and see.

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