Vikings vs. Packers: Rants & Raves

The final week of the 2015 season is here as well as another new year!  Wishing all of our loyal readers a great 2016 and thanks for your continued support of CheeseheadTV.  

The Green Bay Packers return home to welcome the visiting Minnesota Vikings in the season finale that will determine the winner of the NFC North.  Before the season began, to think that it would come down to this week 17 showdown seemed impossible.  The Packers were heavily favored not only to win the division, but compete for a championship.  Then came the harsh reminder of the ebbs and flows of an NFL season.  Injuries to key players throughout the year and whatever else is going on with this team caused a few unexpected bumps in the road and here we are with the Packers holding a 10-5 mark.  On the surface, that's not a bad place to be and 10 wins typically signifies a successful season and a playoff berth.  While we can say that the Packers still accomplished both, the air in Green Bay and amongst the team's circles doesn't emulate that same sentiment.

Last week's drubbing to the Arizona Cardinals displayed a large gap between one of this year's elite teams and the Packers.  So where exactly is this Packers team, heading into a "winner takes all" for the division title and #3 seed in the postseason?  

The Ghost of 2010

At some point this season, many of us have reverted our minds back to the incredible finish to the 2010 season and the magical playoff run.  We've seen other teams take a similar path ('05 Steelers, '07 Giants, '11 Giants) and win it all after getting red hot.  And as many have also said already realized, we're a long way from 2010.  

This team is loaded with young players, as has been the hallmark of the Packers since Ted Thompson took over as general manager in 2005.  Many a young up-and-comer has emerged over the past decade.  With the heavy reliance on young talent, the Packers also need that talent to contribute right away.  Most teams ask the same of their first and second rounders.  At some point this season, the Packers have started each of their first four picks.  Damarious Randall has played very well and appears to have a bright future after coming in as a safety in college and learning the cornerback position.  Quinten Rollins has also flashed some very good play and looks to be a player who will continue to grow and be a regular on Sunday's (or Monday's or Thursday's).  Ty Montgomery had a growing role on offense and was the team's primary kick returner before injury ended his season less than mid-way through.  Jake Ryan has taken over at inside linebacker for a lackluster Nate Palmer and the jury is still out on what Ryan will or won't be.  The point is, the Packers are needing production from places that are far from guaranteed to provide it.

That 2010 team had the likes of Aaron Rodgers, Charles Woodson, Nick Collins, Cullen Jenkins, Ryan Pickett, Greg Jennings, Chad Clifton and Donald Driver sprinkled in among the youth around them.  This year, those guys are Rodgers, Josh Sitton, Julius Peppers, Clay Matthews, B.J. Raji, Morgan Burnett and let's throw in Mike Daniels.  Just as many, if not more names but not the same caliber.  The Packers aren't getting superior play from them on a regular basis, most notably from Rodgers.  

Rodgers said, this week, that he expects this team to play it's best football now, catch fire and make some noise in the postseason.  It's nice to hear from the guy this team needs most and who hasn't played to the level that he speaks of, but we're already looking at the best this team has.  There doesn't appear to be a "next level" that this team can reach like it did in the 2010 postseason and like they did against the Atlanta Falcons.  Too many of these guys are too banged up to be all that they can and it has limited the ceiling on this year's Packers team.  Anything is possible, but set your expectations accordingly.

Momentum

This is talked about all the time with NFL teams but more and more, we're seeing teams who get pounded one week and blow out their next opponent the following week.  I'm not sure how important it is on an overall level, but this Packers team seems to feed off of it, on both the good and bad side.  

As far as this week's game goes, the Vikings have more momentum.  They're coming off of two straight wins of 20 points or more.  Granted, those wins came against the Chicago Bears and New York Giants, both of whom aren't in postseason contention and are sub .500 teams, but the Vikings took care of business nonetheless.  The Packers had won three straight heading into last week's game against the Cardinals and while many still favored Arizona, few saw the shellacking that went down.  As I mentioned earlier, 10 wins is nothing to scoff at, but if it's confidence and true momentum the Packers need to continue playing well and succeed in the playoffs, they lost every ounce of it at University of Phoenix Stadium last week.  

Now the question becomes:  how much of a home-field advantage do the Packers have left this year?  Last year, they went unbeaten at home, including a divisional playoff game.  This year, they have losses to the Detroit Lions and the Bears.  Will the Vikings make it a trifecta of NFC North foes?

Team Chemistry

We saw the Vine, Gif, or whatever video medium you used from the Arizona game of T.J. Lang questioning Rodgers after he threw a jump ball to Davante Adams on what looked to be a called run play.  Adams, as he has done all season long, dropped a well-thrown ball that would have been a touchdown.  Many of these players are having disappointing seasons, whether in their play on the field or the injuries that are keeping them from playing at the top of their game.  Add in the sometimes inexplicable issues this team has faced since their bye week and it's not surprising that there is a good amount of frustration among this Packers team.

So what happened?  Was it a single incident that took place that has this team reeling?  Is it just a series of misfortunes, like the loss of Jordy Nelson and Montgomery that has this passing game so bad that this offense can't score and the team is totally deflated?  Is there any truth to the idea that Rodgers is upset that his "buddy" Tom Clements lost his play calling duties and was sent up to the press box on game days?  Is there a true rift between Rodgers and head coach Mike McCarthy?  As with most matters involving the Packers, no one is talking and we may never know.  Maybe after enough time has gone by and some of these players move on or retire, they'll open up about the strange air that hung over the 2015 team.

After Rodgers' comments about his expectations that the team play its best from here on out, I'll be looking for some signs of life from him and those around him.  I don't see a group that, in pregame, has one heartbeat and takes the field knowing it can outdo its opponent.  That starts at the top.  Rodgers is at the heart of this team and they live and die by his play on the field.  He has to step it up and answer the bell first and foremost.  It appears, as evidenced by Lang, that his teammates are vocally asking for more from him.  This is uncharted territory for Rodgers, as he has been the perennial gold star on this team since taking over as starter in 2008.  In the past, we've seen Rodgers step up and play with the proverbial chip on his shoulder, which elevated his performance.  Does Rodgers have any of that moxie left this year?  Some of his play over the last half of this season calls that into question.  Some of his throws and his demeanor after another failed drive seem to indicate that Rodgers doesn't have a lot of faith nor confidence in his offense right now.  

Watching Ben Roethlisberger take blame squarely on his shoulders after last week's loss to the Baltimore Ravens (which further threatened Pittsburgh's playoff chances) calls into question how accountable Rodgers is to himself.  He has said he needs to be better, but his subtle comments and on-field body language seems to suggest, at least sometimes, that his teammates aren't on the same page as he is.  Rodgers undoubtedly knows this offense and he has openly questioned the effort and preparation that some of his teammates are putting in.  The answer likely lies somewhere in the middle.  Rodgers is 32 now and while it may seem as though he has years left to play, he is likely most frustrated that he has the talent needed to win but they're just not getting it done.  Deflated, if you will.

Whatever is going on won't likely go away this year.  They'll have to overcome it to get a win against the Vikings (possibly twice in consecutive weeks).  Let's just hope it doesn't carry over into next year and beyond.

Winning By Losing

This Packers team is coming out on Sunday night looking to put a pounding on the Vikings.  Let's get that straight right now.  The notion that this team may rest guys and are OK with a loss is asinine.  It's not how this team operates and it's not how McCarthy leads.  If Minnesota comes out and wins, it won't be because the Packers were in preseason mode.  As McCarthy has said all season long, if guys are healthy enough to play, they're playing. 

The Packers are already in the postseason and all that is unknown is who they'll face in the wild card round.  With a win, the Packers win the North and are the third seed.  If the Cardinals beat the Seattle Seahawks, Seattle would then travel to Green Bay the following week.  If the Packers win and the Seahawks beat the Cardinals, it will be the Vikings coming to to Lambeau a week later.  A Green Bay loss makes them the fifth seed and they would then travel to face the Washington Redskins in playoff week one.

I've seen many saying, hoping, and wishing that the Packers draw Washington.  Why?  What evidence is there that this year's Packers team can bounce back after a loss and go on the road in a playoff atmosphere, Washington or not, and play well?  Yes, it's possible, but it's not what we've seen from this team this season.  In that sense, there is no victory in a loss.  The NFC East had to have a winner and someone to send to the tournament, I get that.  Washington is not a scary opponent for anyone, I also get that.  But a team playing for something bigger and at home is nothing to take lightly.  

It seems as though the narrative that Seattle being hot and peaking at the right time is eliciting groans from Packers fans who can't bear to see the Seahawks knock their team off yet again.  To those fans, I say that if your team is in the playoffs, there's a chance and the Packers have to play like they believe in that chance, as minute as it seems.  If it's Seattle again, they're coming to Lambeau Field.  Before the season started, many expected this matchup in the NFC championship game and at Lambeau Field this time.  There's a very real chance that we'll get those two teams, just at a different point of the postseason.  

If it's the Vikings again, we have a similar situation to the 2012 season, where the Packers lost to the Vikings in Minnesota in week 17 and then hosted the Vikings in the wild card round a week later.  This time, it would be two-straight trips to Lambeau for the Norsemen.  I don't know about you, but if the Packers can knock off the Vikings twice in a row, I see that providing a spark enough to help Green Bay in what would then likely be a return trip to Arizona.  I'll stop short of predicting a win, but I doubt we'd see a 30 point drubbing like we did last week.

Bottom line, the Packers have to want whoever they draw in the postseason.  With so many having already written them off as "one and done" or "getting killed at Arizona again" why not be the team that has nothing to lose?  Those can become the scariest teams come playoff time.  So win away, Packers.  The easy road doesn't always lead to the best destination.

First Things First

Before I get any more ahead of myself, there's a game to be played against Minnesota.  We've seen some trends that have cemented themselves and that I do NOT want to see on Sunday.  The first one is Davante Adams getting 10 targets.  How many more times does this guy have to blunder before he truly earns a seat on the bench?  He had the catch and unsportsmanlike penalty last week followed by the touchdown drop at Arizona.  Adams has dropped at least three touchdowns in the last two seasons.  I'm sure there are more but the point is, way too many.  Yet, Adams is trotted out there series after series.  Jared Abbrederis gets in against the Cardinals, drops one ball and we hear next to nothing from him the rest of the game.  When does Adams' potential not matter anymore?  When does the fact that he is capable of making a play like his touchdown catch against the Dallas Cowboys in last year's playoffs but isn't doing anything like that this season, count against him?  Rodgers keeps trying to feed Adams almost like a desperate attempt to make good on the preseason anointment of Adams as a "superstar caliber" receiver.  We've seen a lot of "stubborn" this season and this is exhibit A.  I hope Abbrederis gets another legitimate shot against the Vikings.

Eddie Lacy behind a patchwork offensive line can only do so much.  Lacy on his own has been a lot of cold and not enough hot this year.  He said the right things following his being benched for a portion of the game against the Lions, but he still seems irked by something.  Is Lacy part of the bigger problem in Green Bay this year?  Either way, the Packers need Lacy to come up big this week.  James Starks has put the ball on the ground four weeks in a row so it's Lacy or bust, hopefully with some John Crockett dabbled in.  I doubt they bench Starks but if he fumbles in this game at all, let alone at a critical time, he may need to look into witness protection.

As for the offensive line, it's definitely been offensive this year.  Injuries have decimated this group and at this point in the season, Sitton is held out of practice to save his back, as he has the past few years as well.  David Bakhtiari is a stretch to play, which means the Packers have to decide who mans left tackle.  Thompson and the Packers shot themselves in the foot when they ran with Don Barclay as a backup tackle this year and did little to add to the depth of the line.  Barclay has been 50 shades of awful and was again last week against the Cardinals.  Minnesota has a good front that gets after the passer and with the talent they have, can easily scheme right at Barclay, if he plays.  He shouldn't, do you hear me, Packers coaching staff?  Josh Walker was equally as bad and so the only remaining option is J.C. Tretter.  Tretter was a left tackle at Cornell, but this isn't Ivy League football.  Tretter has done an admirable job filling in for Corey Linsley at center, but tackle at the NFL level is another story.  I'm anything but reassured if it's Tretter out there in place of Bakhtiari, but give me Tretter over anyone else.  This team will only go as far as the line can take them.  Do they have enough in the tank?

So as not to solely pick on the offense, my new year's wish is simple:  make a play, Clay Matthews.  Do something, anything!  When the biggest things associated with your name are a lame story about using pain killers and a psyche-attempt at helping an opponent off the turf, things are not good in your world.  Find a way on this day, Clay, if you may.

Many will say they're tired of the Packers merely winning division titles and getting eliminated from the postseason year after year.  How much more can they take the Packers in the playoffs for granted?  After the middle of this season, a division title and 11 wins isn't the worst "consolation prize" that I can think of.  20 teams go home after this week.  12 teams move on to play another day.  Only one of those teams ends the season with a win.  I'll leave you with this to have at it in the comments section:  Why all the bitching?!

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Jason is a freelance writer on staff since 2012 and also co-hosts Cheesehead TV Live, Pulse of the Pack and Pack A Day podcasts.  You can follow him on Twitter here

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 02, 2016 at 01:55 pm

You got that right. Well put and let's see this team dominate Sunday night.

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ray nichkee's picture

January 02, 2016 at 02:00 pm

Not much to argue with here.

Barclay was good as a backup RT when bulaga went down but hasnt done much since his acl tear. Time for some new blood there.

I think the lack of production in the running game is more on the WRs getting man coverage with no fear of the big play so there is alway 8 in the box. That takes away the screen and quick check downs too.

Not sure about starks either. Shit happens but it has been at the worst times.

Devante adumbs. I dont care if he does good somewhere else, cut him. He needs a wakeup call and a fresh start.

No fan, coach, or teamate should be ok with losing to the queens without maximum effort.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 02, 2016 at 06:29 pm

Your comment on Barclay got me thinking. Maybe MMs approach to having versatile interchangeable backup OLmen just doesn't work. Maybe this is especially true when there is no consistency because there is little on field game experience. Maybe it is just mediocre talent to begin with. I think it is asking too much unless it is with veterans like Sutton or Lang.

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Marco's picture

January 03, 2016 at 11:05 pm

I think Adams and Lacy both need to go. Lacy shuffles his feet and gets tripped up any time he goes laterally. We need a back with more burst and more speed. Which is another observation. The O doesn't seem to use any quick hitting running plays where the back just blasts forward into the hole with momentum. They're always going laterally, looking to pick the hole from the backfield which gives the D plenty of time to react and stuff them. Look at the 3rd & short conversion ratio. Any correlation?

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TarynsEyes's picture

January 02, 2016 at 02:05 pm

EXCELLENT WRITE UP.
"Why all the bitching !?"
It's what makes the Packer world go. :)

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 02, 2016 at 03:42 pm

Ha! Good one.

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Bear's picture

January 02, 2016 at 02:06 pm

Jason your best article of the season!

I'm not a Tretter fan, he doesn't maintain his blocks. He's a backup center at most.

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ray nichkee's picture

January 02, 2016 at 02:17 pm

I think its a horse a piece. Tretter seems better in one spot pass blocking and linsley is quick up field with multiple blocks when running. I am no expert though and not a member of al cow da coming here to discredit everything.

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 02, 2016 at 02:13 pm

I really like this article! Well done Jason.

I specifically like those 3 passages:

"make a play, Clay Matthews. Do something, anything! " - couldn't agree more. the big stars have to show up, and Matthews is one of those. He has been quiet for too long. Sacks and INTs don't always tell the story, but a MLB without a single tackle in 2 games is not very good.

"calls into question how accountable Rodgers is to himself. He has said he needs to be better, but his subtle comments and on-field body language seems to suggest, at least sometimes, that his teammates aren't on the same page as he is. Rodgers undoubtedly knows this offense and he has openly questioned the effort and preparation that some of his teammates are putting in. The answer likely lies somewhere in the middle. Rodgers is 32 now and while it may seem as though he has years left to play, he is likely most frustrated that he has the talent needed to win but they're just not getting it done. Deflated, if you will."
- I truly think Rodgers is a big reason why the O is not very good this year. if players are not on the same page repeatedly, then I doubt it is constantly the fault of just one of those players. Sure, WR and TE play could be better. But Rodgers is missing too many open targets. I also doubt that he is putting in the effort and preparation needed. That is my personal opinion, of course. And one more thing - maybe we are seeing the beginning of a decline physically. He is 32. Not many football players playing on a very high level well into their 30s. I know a few QBs did and do, but at some point they all break down. Maybe it is starting with Rodgers now. He still can make all the throws, but maybe not as consistently as he wants to.

and finally: "I'll leave you with this to have at it in the comments section: Why all the bitching?!" - exactly. This team will finish 10-6 at worst and 11-5 at best for the regular season. Had anyone before the season said that the team would finish 10-6 and be in the playoffs with 2 games to spare, we'd all have said we take it. yet now somehow it is not good enough anymore? How many fans of other teams would gladly take a perennial playoff team who is consistently winning 10+ games almost every season? In fact, in 7 of 10 McCarthy seasons, the team has won 10+ games. Only his first season, the last season when Rodgers was injured, and the conversion from Favre to Rodgers season were under 10 wins. From all I read here, I think people would be happy to put all eggs in one basket and have a good team for 1 season, and then 5 bad seasons...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 02, 2016 at 08:02 pm

The whining is because we have the best player at the most important position. You and Jason both knew the reason.

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Since'61's picture

January 02, 2016 at 02:31 pm

Well Done Jason! To win this game we will need the following:
1. Solid OL play, no Don Barclay please.
2. The return of the original Eddie Lacy.
3. Stop the run.
4. More Abbrederis than D. Adams
5. 2-3 turnovers from our defense
6. Ball security
7. Fewer penalties
8. Win on STs

Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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Tundraboy's picture

January 02, 2016 at 09:32 pm

Very good article. Made me sad to think that Rodgers is 32 and we have not put more talent around him. Anyway, this year when the schedule came out I thought it was tough and that 11-5 or 10 - 6 would not be a shock, but this 10 - 5 does not feel so good. Maybe the hardship and bad losses are a thing of the past. I sure hope so, starting tomorrow. Go Pack GO

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 02, 2016 at 03:47 pm

I see the Packers getting fired up and dominating on defense once again. If we can get a good pass rush going, Peterson won't be a factor. Bridgewater will make mistakes and we'll get good field position. Packers win 20-10. Go Pack Go!

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Samson's picture

January 02, 2016 at 04:02 pm

Very good article. Sums up the season fairly well.

"So what happened?" -- The Pack lack depth. -- TT's aversion to free-agency has made the Pack just another play-off contender. -- Now the Pack will have to rely on AR returning to an elite level of play for the Pack to make any noise in the playoffs. --Who else is going to carry the team?

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Icebowler's picture

January 02, 2016 at 04:11 pm

"It's Time." Just Win Baby!

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EdsLaces's picture

January 02, 2016 at 08:38 pm

Was that Kevin Green mixed with Vince Lombardi? Haha

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Tundraboy's picture

January 03, 2016 at 08:54 am

AL Davis???

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ray nichkee's picture

January 03, 2016 at 10:37 am

Just win baby was al davis's saying.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 02, 2016 at 04:14 pm

I still do not undestand why all here underestimate Washington... They were easily be 11-5 team, too. It was 2 unhappy, better say loses because of their own stupidity, so please, do not think it will be easier to play them than Vikings or Seahawks at home...

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ray nichkee's picture

January 02, 2016 at 04:37 pm

The redskins arrow is pointing up and cousins is getting better lately.

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4thand10's picture

January 02, 2016 at 04:32 pm

Go Pack Go!!!

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Kyle Graham's picture

January 02, 2016 at 04:54 pm

I fully believe we win this game tomorrow night. I'm forever a positive person but still lol. I really hope the defense pulls through and gets a couple turnovers. What's been missing is the key turnovers we had early on in the season. I think if we go with a heavy dose of Lacy and Crockett we should win a close one. Go pack go!

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Mojo's picture

January 02, 2016 at 06:43 pm

Agree with Jason on Tretter. Start him at LT even if Bahk say's he's OK to go. This will give Bahk time to heal for the PO's, which is more important. Tretter is a little light, but a few pounds of muscle on him and he will become the Packers best o-lineman. Mark my words. He's smart and has the best feet of any of the o-linemen.

As for this game, I see GB winning 31-17. That's right, we've struggled a good portion of this year. but Minny is still our bitch. Get all excited Vikings fans if you want, but you're going to lose this game and if we play again next week - that one also. No sitting at the big table yet.

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LASVEGAS-TOM's picture

January 02, 2016 at 06:49 pm

Last week I saw Lacy sitting on the bench holding his side. Any talk of an injury or Bad Ribs?LVT

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Tundraboy's picture

January 02, 2016 at 07:13 pm

He said it still hurts and he'll suck it up and play.

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ray nichkee's picture

January 02, 2016 at 07:23 pm

I do believe it was the cowboys game where he got hurt. He hasnt done much since.

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sheppercheeser's picture

January 03, 2016 at 08:01 am

For goodness sakes, TT, get some OL help this offseason, through FA or the draft! And MM, teach AR how to get rid of a football when the OL blocking breaks down- it shouldn't be that hard- it should be an important part of the practices!

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Razer's picture

January 03, 2016 at 10:10 am

You can bet that TT will be hard at work scanning the UDFA ranks to find the next O-linemen. Who knows, maybe we can find some TEs and LBs in the process. Heaven help us.

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dobber's picture

January 03, 2016 at 10:30 am

The sad part is that we went into 2015 looking at OL as a strength. Even when the whole unit has played together, they have only been a shadow of their 2014 selves.

Can someone look up Linsley's PFF (ick) ratings? I think he's been the problem this season as much as anyone else, but I'd like to see what the numbers say. IMO, they're better with Tretter in the middle.

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CallingIt's picture

January 03, 2016 at 08:37 am

I think peoples gripeing is because of the ugly play, not the record. To be fair, the injuries are mostly to blame. This definitely errodes all other areas of efficiency at least to some degree. But still, players have to step up and make plays. They get paid an aweful lot of money to do one thing, play football.

Start Abby instead of Adams, Sit Barclay, and get Janice down field. Let's see more Kuhn and Mr Lacy to less dancing and more steam rolling. Just go run someone over for a change.

In the end, this will either be another ugly game or they start making progress. We'll see at the end of the day. For me, i'm hoping for an ole fashion wood shed experience. Send Minni home with a whooping! Get it on Pack!

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dobber's picture

January 03, 2016 at 10:27 am

I don't think they need to get Janis the ball downfield...get him a head of steam and give him the ball on a jet sweep or two (I know, I know, I've beaten this dead horse for weeks). It's a look the Packers haven't used all year and it takes advantage of Janis in terms of what he does well RIGHT NOW, not what we're hoping he can add. After that, Janis going in motion pre-snap will lead to all kinds of defensive movement by the Vikes and give Packer WRs the opportunity to make things happen one on one...which is what they're going to see all day from this Vikings team.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

January 03, 2016 at 09:04 am

Time to unveil the secret weapon. The Ripkowski-based offense this week will ignite our playoff run. He has caught 100% of the passes thrown to him and is averaging 18 yards per catch. You read it here first.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 03, 2016 at 10:09 am

Would like to see that. Why we have not used him is mind-boggling.

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Razer's picture

January 03, 2016 at 09:15 am

Typically, I would be anxious to see the Packers charge into another Vikings death match. Watching this team blunder about for the last ten games has me wondering what kind of disarray will present itself Sunday night.

I have lowered my expectations and only want an honest effort without all the errors. There are no more weeks to "clean things up" or "work on fundamentals". What we show now is the fabric of the team going forward. Play as a team - win as a team. Go Packers

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dobber's picture

January 03, 2016 at 10:23 am

Nicely put, Razer.

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jasonperone's picture

January 03, 2016 at 10:18 am

Thanks for all of the support! I'll try to carry "Rants" into the offseason so stay tuned!

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Tundraboy's picture

January 03, 2016 at 12:11 pm

Hope so. Think we are all going to have a LOT to talk about win or lose.

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ray nichkee's picture

January 03, 2016 at 01:24 pm

Keep it going jason.

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