Everything changed after the Love INT. The OL breaking down on the left side of the line happened twice.The first time, Love gets sacked.The second time the Browns block our FG attempt. McCarren saw it, after the first incident. Penalties up the wazoo--and 4 of them on Morgan, alone. Inexcusable! The D played really well, but no complementary football from our Offense. Get it together, and take it out on the Cowboys. GO PACK, GO!!!

Jordan Love? MLF? WTF? that is all.

MLF extended Rich Bisaccia and made him the Assistant Head Coach this past January.

After Bisaccia's Special Team units sucked.

MLF had to be pushed to file Mo Drayton when he coordinated historically bad Special Teams and the 49ers blocked a FG and a PUnt (for a TD) when the D gave up just 6 points in the 2021 playoff loss.

When a head coach makes it clear he does not give a flying F about Special Teams believe him and expect continued outcomes like yesterday's in Cleveland.

They need to bench Morgan. I don’t care who they replace him with, someone from the practice squad, a FA signing, or the ball boy, just get him off the field. To allow him to start constitutes an acceptance of sloppy, don’t give a crap , sub-par play that can infect the entire team. MLF, hold somebody accountable just once.

Total arrogant team loss. Lack of focus by all including the coaching staff. QB thought he was the best and going to the superbowl and not playing well. Special teams co-ordinator needs to be fired this week. Examples of Love's bad play include not making easy dump offs, the bad slide when he could have had the first down ( I mean technique in sliding looks good but dont start it early ), INT of course and too many times standing in the pocket holding the ball . Defense played well except near the end but I thought and the commentators said that the Interference calls were weak. Special teams - holding on every kick and cant block on the field goal - Com on man.

The O line issues need to be fixed and can be fixed by play design- we have enough talent both with the QB running and the other fast guys to not just to accept our running backs to keep hitting a solid wall of defensive players. Take this game and dump it into the NOT HOW TO PLAY dumpster.

And I am serious - fire the Special teams co-ordinator -

I thought about this when I saw the replay the first time, "Mental mistakes piled up, such as Xavier McKinney intercepting an arm punt". You're the first I've seen mention it. I think that interceptions were kind of slim for him this season, so he wanted to start stacking some stats. The only excuse for it would be if he could see a good path for a pick 6, but that usually doesn't happen when it's in the middle of the field.

I view this game as a humbling experience. We saw R Walker talking about how this team could go undefeated. And there has been so much hype around this team. Well, time to get out of the clouds and get back in the trenches. Because that is where these games are played. And that is where we lost the game. Make no mistake about it. We lost this game because of us.

Game Balls:

Gary -
He deserves a game ball. He had 2 sacks in the game. He has been really damn good.

Bullard -
He has really taking a 2nd year leap. He has looked great early in the season. Unfortunately he got hurt in the game. (I believe concussion?)

Defense -
The defense overall played a great game. They allowed 1 true scoring drive. The love interception gave Cleveland the ball at the 4. A bad DPI call put the ball at the 1. The blocked FG gave the Browns the ball at the 47. They only had to move roughly 10 yards to be in FG range. These are the Browns stats.
Flacco was 21-36 for 142 yards and 1 INT.
Judkins ran the ball 18 times for 94 yards 5.2 average and 1 TD. He had that one long run. Take away that 1 run (which you can't do), and he was 17-56 for and average of 3.3. That one run changed the outlook of the whole game they played.

Lame Calls:

OL -
It doesn't help that Tom lasted 1 play before he had to go out. It doesn't help that Banks has been injured more then he has played for us this year. It doesn't help that Rasheed Walkers facemask broke on a drive. But they opened up 0 holes in the run game. They were not good pass blocking.

Love -
It wasn't all horrible for him. The OL was horrible. But he gets a Lame call for 2 reasons. First the interception. Some want to blame the LaFleur for a bad play call. They should have ran it.. Is all I have heard this morning. It was 3rd and 3. Had they ran it and not gotten it, they would have called him conservative. They would have called him afraid to win the game.. He is in a lose lose situation. Love has the ball, he threw it, and it went right to a defender. That is on him.
The other bad decision was snapping the ball at the end of the 3rd Quarter. They had no reason to snap it. Think about this. Had they waited till the 4th quarter to snap the ball the Browns wouldn't have had enough time at the end of the 4th to spot the ball. No clue why they snapped it. Also, him taking a sack on that play. It was 3rd and 1 and he was sacked for 11 yards.

Special Teams -
They were not special in the way you want them to be special. Allowing a FG to be blocked. I'm sure there is a trickle down effect on injuries, but you have to be allowed a 43 yard FG to not get blocked.

Penalties -
2nd drive-
They have 3rd and 4 at the 16 yard line. Morgan has a false start to make it 3rd and 9. They don't convert and settle for a FG.

3rd drive-
They have a false start on 2nd and 1 that they overcame. Then later they have they have the ball at the 38 yard line. False start on 1st down. Gain 5 yards to make it 2nd and 10. Then Love was sacked for 5 yards. Its 3rd and 15 at the 43 and an illegal block puts them back another 7 yards. #rd and 22 and Love is sacked again. They were at the 38 and lost 20 yards.

4th drive-
3rd and 1, false start to make it 3rd and 6. Love is sacked on the next play.

Last drive-
Packers have the ball at the 22. Walker has a false start and lose 5 yards. 2 plays later the kick is blocked.

Three and Out:

"Sloppy". Sloppy play. Sloppy execution. Sloppy discipline. Sloppy gameplan."
This game was sloppy. But I don't blame the game plans. There is no game plan that tells the OL to commit 5 or whatever false start penalties. There is no game plan that has 2 of your starting 5 OL getting hurt. They tried about everything offensively and couldn't really do much. The one

"In the NFL, you've got to learn how to win all sorts of games. "
They have to learn how to win games. Every year is a new team. Each team needs to learn how to win and how not to lose together. If they can take this loss and learn from it, and improve, that is a good thing. Sometimes you need a bad loss to create a good team.

"There's going to be a lot of discussion surrounding this game. It all feels so familiar, but what should also feel familiar is a bounce-back from these games. There's no reason for a general doom-and-gloom following this game"
If there is any doom and gloom it is that person persona to be a doom and gloomer. This is the 3rd game. This is against a team we don't normally play, and they have a good defense.

The Packers looked like a team that had been reading its press clippings. Cleveland looked like a team that needed a win. We'll see what happens next week--Dallas's defense looks really, really bad, and they're dinged up. They've shown that they can't cover downfield and they couldn't get to Caleb Williams yesterday with his middling-to-poor OL. Their offense is going to move the ball and score points (and make some costly mistakes), but this is a conference game the Packers need to go on the road and win.

Losing to Cleveland on the road in September isn't the end of the world, but they have to bounce back in a conference game next week against Dallas playing two reserve OL. That's not an ideal spot.

" Zach Tom and Aaron Banks were rushed back from injury too early, and will likely not be back until after the bye."

They need those two guys back and they need to be healthy...especially Tom. Anyone who has had core injuries knows exactly how hard they are to manage and how easy they are to aggravate. The OL depth was a question, anyway, and any team that needs to lean very far into their reserves is going to have issues.

"Penalties"

There was a little home-cooking for Cleveland going on, but many of those penalties were legit. It was getting to the point later in that game where there were flags on just about every snap, and the late goal line possession for the Browns was atrocious. After only 4 penalties v. Detroit week 1, the Packers have taken 24 accepted penalties in the last two games. That can't continue.

"The Packers snatch defeat from the jaws of victory"

Perfect headline for this game. As much as the Browns clawed for this win, the Packers did their best to give it away, particularly in the 4th quarter. Good teams find a way to win NOT a way to lose. A lot of blame goes on the players for poor discipline and a failure to execute. But, if it is the goal to put your players in a position to succeed, then perhaps some second half adjustments to the poor pre game plan might have helped.

I am on track for my season prediction. I had them at 2-1 right now. Yes I got the last two week wrong. This team showed us they are just above average and that a 10 win season is the most I expect.

STs are terrible. MLF has shown us that he should not be the HC and play caller. I will agree that you do need to run up the middle even though that is the strength of the Browns defense but way too many up the middle calls. The offense is average at best. There is not depth to the OL. Love throwing the INT was unacceptable but then he could not hit Jacobs in the flat which was working. He missed on 4 passes to the flat. He has always had problems throwing to the flat. I believe it is that he does not set his feet properly before the throws.

The defense for the most part looked very good and held them. There is no excuse for a player that gets paid the most of any non QB player to be offsides and especially lining up offsides. Oh and he was out of position on many plays.

The good--I live in Alabama, so I didn't have to watch this nightmare.
The bad--Lafleur's "Why me?" face instead of practical in-game management when Plan A doesn't work.
The ugly--$2 million for a not-so-special-teams coach.

What I don't get why Morgan, because high draft have to play him. When you have Kinnard on the bench you lack guts to bench a high rounder.

Packers will look back in the cold of winter and realize they threw this game away.
MLF refuses to hire an authentic Offensive (not Stenavich) mind and he ignores Special Teams. He seems like a 'nice' guy but he puts his comfort first by continuing make the same mistakes, retains bad coaches and does not seem to report to anyone-this is where not having an owner becomes a problem.

I'm not commenting on Bissacia again BUT one of MLFs biggest Achilles is he holds onto bad coaches too long. Joe Barry, Moe Drayton, etc.

And I wish he would quit with the "that's on me" BS. Its on you AND Jordan. Stop pretending to be some martyr when everyone knows there is shared blame. He should say "it's a team game, and there is blame shared by coaches and players". Stop trying to protect the sensitive egos of these guys. Makes him look ridiculous. I wonder what the players think when he says stuff like that?

Good, that’s out of the way. Now back to winning football.

After the first series of this game I had a really bad feeling about it. It had a bad vibe from the beginning. The offensive strategy seemed to be conservative because the line was playing awful. It seemed like they were waiting for the Browns to make a mistake they could take advantage of. Instead, the Packers made the mistakes. On the interception, it seemed like Love was throwing to Kraft no matter what, and it burned us. We have great specialists on special teams but the rest of the operation is highly questionable. The dumb penalties were both a lack of focus, and some questionable calls. It all added up to a bad loss.

Game balls: PackerNation who traveled 9 hrs/570 miles to Cleveland to watch this fiasco

Lame balls: Packer players who boasted of a perfect season and now eat crow sirloin every dinner this week

No balls: Packer team who loses to an 0-2 team qb'd by senior citizen Flacco and figures 14 penalties is a great game plan to beat him

All I can ask is what would Vince be doing if his team sustained 14 penalties?

I just thought about that pass to Golden towards the end of the game when it looked like he was going to take it all the way, but couldn't stay in bounds even though he had plenty of space. However, remembered later that he must still have a lingering ankle injury that hampered him early in the season. Feel like I fell off a very high cliff.

The Browns defense sure looked legit. It quickly became apparent that this was not going to be a blowout win, so I figured this would be a chance for the team to show that it could grind out a win by keeping mistakes to a minimum. Well, so much for that.

Snapping the ball unnecessarily at the end of the third quarter was a really bad sign. It should not have even been an option for Love to do that. The interception was completely baffling as well, though I read that the defender fell off his coverage and stepped in front of it, which happens sometimes. The announcers were clueless throughout the game and did not explain it.

I thought Jordan Love actually played very well except for those two huge mistakes. I know he overthrew a couple of checkdowns, but he had pressure in his face all day, and those touch passes can be tricky when a QB is under duress.

Special teams lost the game, plain and simple, after the offense showed resilience by getting into field goal position.

My only beef with Jeff Hafley last season was when he threw away the last game against the Bears by allowing them to complete a medium-length pass to get into field goal range and spike the ball to stop the clock. I figured he would learn from that mistake. But the same thing happened again in this game.

So it's appears unanimous that MLF and Love are awarded a lame ball. I'll join in but largely for the reason on how LaFleur was unable or unwilling to adjust to the Browns D-plan. It was apparent - quite early - that Love was often being overwhelmed by Browns D. I thought that a sound tactical move would have been to bring in Willis for some reps. At the very least it might have slowed down the Browns rush D - given his running abilities. Plus he has proven that he can throw a good pass. Which brings me to another point - the coddling of Jordan Love.

In other professional sports - top players such as goalies and pitchers are regularly pulled if they're having a rough game. Love was having a rough game and should have been pulled - in whole or in part - to see if Willis was a better option on the day. If not - fine - but at least try to make a meaningful adjustment and counter-move. Of course this did not happen as LaFleur was thoroughly out-coached - from the very beginning of the game right up to the final whistle.

As to Love - I believe that being pulled in favor of Willis could have been an important developmental moment for him. That a little tough love from LaFleur could result in a little mentally tougher Love for future games. Because up to now - always sheltering Love appears to be more hindering than helping.

MLF and once again his inability to make any sort of adjustment, Love who continues to make really dumb mistakes, taking sacks, sliding too early when everyone knows Packers are horrible at 3rd and short, just too many boneheaded plays by a very well paid QB.....dumbest play of the day...end of third quarter trickery where they lost 11 yards (throw the damn ball away at least).....

LaFleur had 10 days to prepare for the Browns.

What did he not know about the Browns D that surprised him? Many here were concerned about the OL going into season... getting the best 5 identified and playing as a unit. He and his O coaches are still trying to figure out who the best at each OL spot and the best overall 5. It showed just how the OL is the soft under-belly of the Packers now. Even Jenks sucked. Who's coaching the OL up?

Bicassia had 10 days to prepare for the Browns.

What did he do to improve blocking assignments and techniques for the FB unit? They showed signs of leaking during the first two games. Now Mr. Automatic McManus is suddenly very ordinary and bringing up memories of Rich's Carlson folly.

Hafley had 10 days to prepare for the Browns.

His men did what they had to do for the win.

At least this incompetence from the O and STs came against an AFC opponent.

One horrible missed block on special teams field goal cost us the game. The defender went right through 85 like he wasn't even there. I suggest we get someone who can at least attempt to block the guy on the edge. Even a slight delay on the defender and we would have won. In all honesty.... a pathetic loss from that one play from special teams. The question is what are they going to do about it? Just when you thought our special teams were no longer a problem. ....This.

How many years does it take to get an excessive amount of penalties "Cleaned Up" or to adjust to a quick passing game when the Oline apparently is overwhelmed or under manned - especially not naming names but a former 1st round draft pick that was imploding in front of our eyes. Coaching adjustments with play calling - just sayin' - maybe, just try and see if it works ? Would be wonderful to see the team bounce back like the Lions did after we beat them, not sure if we have that kind of coach though. Fingers crossed that the Browns game was a teaching moment.

I haven't seen an article yet willing to discuss whether Le Fleur should be replaced. Six or seven years in, and we're still faced with the same deer-in-the-headlights look on Le Fleur's face every time he screws up another game—horrible ST, an undisciplined team that commits too many penalties, and an uninspired offense. Nothing has changed. This team is loaded with talent, but seems stuck with a coach, a QB, and an offensive scheme that aren't NFL-caliber for a Super Bowl contender. All the talk about our great depth at receiver, a #1 pick WR, and a top-five RB, and yet even in the two previous wins, the offense was not fun to watch, with far too many three-and-outs.

I've been ready for Le Fleur to get the axe for a couple of years now. I'd love him to be gone before this year is pissed away, but that's not going to happen. We'll likely make the playoffs, but who has confidence that Le Fleur can coach us past the first round? Policy, who has watched Le Fleur's brain farts in close games before, could decide to change horses in mid-stream, but why wait? Change before we hit the stream. I'd love to see a bold move and replace him now, although the odds are overwhelmingly against that happening.

What is the consensus here as to whether Le Fleur should be gone now or later, or not at all?

It’s one game. First road trip.

They play scared on offense

The Defense didn’t.

Need to look for a center and move Jenkins back to LG.

I think Josh Jacob’s needs to take over of leadership on the Offense and Jenkins….

Why start Morgan at RT when he's never played the position and you had Belton available who held up well the previous week? Especially when Morgan hasn't really impressed at any position. I suppose it's because they wasted another 1st round pick but aren't ready to admit the mistake.

The advertised Oline depth is a myth. Love still makes stupid decisions after all this time. LaFleur is a consistently inconsistent play caller and in game coach. Sts are an absolute joke outside of the 2 kickers. Fire Rich B immediately!

This article NAILS it. Wake up MLF. Coach your GUYS.

Where's the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly?
Here are mine anyway.
The Good ; D-fense overall + Golden (Shifty) + Heath, Doubs, and Kraft (until FG)
The Bad: Offense overall; O-line in particular. Couldn't run block, which took Jacobs out of game, or pass block which limited Love (tho a lot of the screw ups are on HIM esp INT).
The Ugly: You know. Never saw 1 play that stole defeat from the jaws of victory. 3 points pissed away AND great field position for them for winning FG drive.
Gotta play better v. Boys or it's 2-2.
The Szotman

Again, the lack of disciplined, tenacious football is not going to get the Packers anywhere. Discipline equals excellence in execution and makes no excuses for incompetence. That was not the Green Bay Packers by any stretch of the imagination on September 21, 2025.

how are the Packers ever going to get a run game going with this O line?? MLF better come up with some schemes to get Jacobs the ball somehow not just use him as a blocker all year...

Watched film of Tom practicing on Wednesday, can't remember what podcast. He could barely run. I was shocked when they decide to start him. We always hear the Packers protect their injured players until more than ready to start. He may be out a month or more. Why didn't they consider Walker playing RT and Morgan at LT?

Review the blocked field goal. The block was all on Tucker Kraft. Have know idea where his head was at. Didn't even know he lined up for FGs.

Undisciplined!

Embarrassing! A half century… 50 Years!!!!!! And I NEVER saw such an astounding sloppy game!!!!

And the refs were WAY slanted toward the Browns.

Sure let’s keep the legalized gambling in pro sports!

Disgusted!!!!!!!!

Thank God I didn't watch this. I was at work and excitedly took time from my lunch break to check in on the game and the debacle of the last 2 minutes. Not seeing how it unfolded I was just ill.

I still can't believe what happened. Yuck. Just have to forget and move on