The Packers Have Two Sleeping Giants

Can the Packers finally get some return on their investment?

When the Packers finally take the field against the Vikings on September 13th, they hope to do so with a ton of reinforcements. But, there are two in particular that have occupied a premium spot in the part of my brain that is Packers-obsessed. 

These two players are not exactly “new” to the Packers roster. They’ve been here for a while. The problem is, though, that neither one of them has really played all that much. And it’s also for that reason why they are so exciting to me. 

Those two players are Marshawn Lloyd and Collin Oliver. 

Despite going into his third year as an NFL player, Lloyd has only played ten total snaps in the NFL, all in 2024. His injury concerns are well documented by this point, so I won’t waste anyone's time by listing them out again. There is some hope that his long term issues have been solved, using a process similar to the one that helped Christian Watson and former Packer Eric Stokes alleviate some long term, soft tissue issues of their own. 

But as far as what Lloyd could bring to the Packers offense, I don’t think that there is any doubt he can be a dynamic presence in the backfield that Packers currently desperately lack. 2025’s running back room was certainly hamstrung by a pretty ineffective offensive line. Last season, the Packers ranked hilariously low in yards before contact, a statistic I value pretty heavily for measuring an offense’s rushing effectiveness. Josh Jacobs averaged about 2 yards before contact, Emmanuel Wilson only 1.7. So believe me that I know the lack of effective rushing was not entirely a condemnation of Jacobs or Wilson, the team’s top two ball carriers by attempts. But when actually watching the games, it was pretty clear that the two suffered from a certain.. Lack of dynamism. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big fan of the two. But the facts are the facts. Jacob’s 40 yard rushing touchdown was his lone breakaway run of the season, and Emmanuel Wilson’s longest rush of the year was fifteen yards. For an offense that was as effective at generating explosive passing plays as the Packers were last year (sixth in the league), they sure failed at doing the same thing on the ground. 

Enter Marshawn Lloyd, who has the gamebreaking speed to really make a difference for Green Bay in this area. He’s a true “change of pace” back that pairs perfectly with Josh Jacobs. So, not only has Lloyd not played much for the Packers in three years, but he’ll also bring an exciting change to the room as well that Green Bay couldn’t produce themselves. We also shouldn’t discount what he can bring to the passing game as a threat, a non-negotiable aspect for running backs in the modern NFL but one that seemed lacking last season as well. Not only was this a noted strength of Lloyd’s college game, but it was a gamechanger for the USC Trojans in 2023. Whether in the backfield or split out into the slot, Lloyd averaged 17.8 yards per catch that year. 

Next up: Collin Oliver. 

Oftentimes lumped in with his fellow rookie from the 2025 class, Oliver is behind Barryn Sorrell in several ways. First and foremost, especially to the relevancy of this article, was that Sorrell actually got to play last year. Over the course of the season, Sorrell played 206 snaps over 15 games. Oliver, on the other hand, appeared in only a single game, 31 snaps against the Vikings in week 18. 

Oliver’s rookie campaign never really had a chance to be much more, and injuries are once again to blame. It’s an eerily similar situation to Marshawn Lloy’ds, once you start to get down into it. Oliver suffered a foot injury in the second week of the 2024 college football season while at Oklahoma State, forcing him to miss the rest of that season. Then last training camp, a hamstring injury, surgery for that injury, and a setback for that injury, conspired to keep the speedy edge rusher off the field for the vast majority of the year. And then already this year, Oliver has been sidelined from minicamp (at least during days where media members are allowed) with an undisclosed issue. 

Injuries can become compounded in terms of importance when they happen during a player’s rookie year. Not only are you missing valuable training reps, but you are missing out on opportunities to get acclimated to the environment, but opportunities to earn roles for yourself on the team. Think how Jordan Morgan’s injury might have cost him a starting role his rookie year, and all the resulting butterfly effects therein. 

I’m certainly not saying that Oliver’s injury cost him a starting spot, but I do think it cost Green Bay the opportunity to figure out how to use him in the first place. Oliver isn’t a typical Packers edge rusher. At 240lbs, he’s an anomaly to the point where it’s a surprise the Packers drafted him in the first place. He’s a speed rusher, a “designated pass rusher”. GM Brian Gutekunst has publicly shied away from drafting these kinds of players before, and I could never really quite fault him for his logic. A smaller, pass rushing edge rusher could get forced onto the field by injuries to others, and all of a sudden he’s forced into a role that isn’t suited for him. A 240 lb edge is lunch to an offensive lineman in the NFL. 

Still, I was glad the Packers drafted him anyway. We just talked about how valuable a guy like Marshawn Lloyd could be as a change of pace for the rushing attacks. Not to continue the obvious parallels between these two players, but Oliver looks to do the same thing for the pass rush group. A typical Green Bay defensive end lands around 250-265 lbs, and is a power rusher. Goes right through a tackle, sets the edge in the run game, and prevents as an overpowering figure. Oliver’s game is speed, bend and finesse. Having the ability to line up different players on an OT is such an underrated aspect of designing a pass rush. 

Imagine for a moment, you're an offensive tackle in the league, and you’ve just gone ten reps with 275 lb Lukas Van Ness. probably feeling a bit beat up, no? You're on third and long now, and LVN lines up, not in front of you but as an inside DT. In his place, is #45 Collin Oliver, who hits the corner on you before you know what happens. 

That’s the best case scenario at least. And Oliver’s got his chance to fill this kind of role before Micah properly returns from his torn ACL. He also allows the Packers to improve an area they struggled at times with last season: generating quick pressures. “Quick” being the operative word here, meaning it’s a pressure that affects the quarterback in under 2.5 seconds (the average time to throw in the NFL). It’s not hard to see how a speed rusher like Oliver can help in that area. 

When he did finally get a chance to play last season, what we saw was not the real version of Collin Oliver. Despite projecting as a designated passer rusher only in the league Oliver played an every down role that day, 13 run defense snaps to 17 pass rush reps. So, due to the shorthanded nature of the roster that day, he was forced to fulfill Brian Gutekunst's biggest fear (of course, that game was entirely meaningless, so getting him reps at all was more important). Still, Oliver finished that game with two pressures and two QB hits, not a horrible result. 

Now, when it comes to these two players, and what they can bring to the team in 2025, the biggest question is: “How far along in their development path are they now?” After all, reinforcements are only as valuable as what they can do to improve your situation. In a hypothetical situation where both players are healthy all year, can they hit the ground running? Have their injuries stunted their physical development into NFL players? Undoubtedly, yes. Mentally, they should have a grasp of the scheme, playbook and their fellow players that prevents us from considering them as a “brand new” addition. If these two can hit the ground running in 2026, it will go a long way to Green Bay improving their level of play. 

 

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Savage57's picture

July 06, 2026 at 06:44 am

Pray you're right, Kalani, and the Packers get boosted by a speed guy on offense and defense.

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Coldworld's picture

July 06, 2026 at 07:29 am

The Packers have 3 essentially extra draft picks. Lloyd, Oliver and Williams on the OL. Lloyd is by far the highest profile of course, but each could make a difference. The starting point is that all 3 need to get healthy and stay healthy. So far Williams and Lloyd are. Oliver needs to join them and get a full camp. It will be interesting to see if he’s added muscle or remains about 240. It’s with noting that Hasson Reddick was 240 when he notched up 16 sacks as a designated rusher for Gannon in 2022.

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dobber's picture

July 06, 2026 at 09:38 am

I'd really like to see what Oliver can bring, but I think the comparison of a the Philly defense with an undersized Haason Reddick is a limited one. That was a loaded front 7 in Philly, and Reddick--a former #13 overall pick--already had two 10+ sack seasons under his belt (one for AZ, one for CAR) before he played for Gannon.

I think Oliver brings something different to the table and the change-up alone from the Packers' preferred edge type might throw some OTs off. I think Oliver will get his chances playing standing up and as an off-ball LB as much as with his hand on the ground.

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Coldworld's picture

July 06, 2026 at 10:06 am

It’s possible if one looks to how Gannon used the very similar athlete Reddick, whom he most often deployed as a SAM ILB in hybrid fronts and thus from a 2 point stance in space on his way to 16 sacks in 2022.

As a former Corner, it is fair to say that Reddick was a lot more used to and comfortable in space than Oliver seems as a former DE. Oliver struggled in space in his season as an ILB and did better from the line. His last college season was too marred by injury to determine if that had changed. Conversely, Gannon had worked with Reddick before and would have known his comfort in space and would also know that tackling/holding up against the run wasn’t his forte. Oliver is better at both, usurpingly given his background.

I doubt it’s likely to be quite as frequent as you postulate with Oliver therefore, but it is quite possibly part of the plan that he may play some snaps as an ILB if his coverage has improved.

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Handsback's picture

July 06, 2026 at 07:35 am

Nice article Kalani. Of all the Packer players those two are the enigmas of the team that seem to have the potential to be something special on the field in areas where they are lacking. Figure it this way, if Lloyd is healthy, Green Bay doesn't have to give up a draft pick for an RB on another team. They are very thin in that area. Oliver playing might mean they don't have to pay a FA pass rusher until Parsons gets back. So yeah they are sleeping giants.
JMHO

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Guam's picture

July 06, 2026 at 07:43 am

I share the excitement over Marshawn Lloyd's potential and hope he gets the chance to play this year and demonstrate what all the hype is about. Having said that, this has also got to be Lloyd's last chance with the Packers. He has to play this year. Availability matters. If Lloyd can play, he could be the perfect complement to Josh Jacobs. Lightning to Jacobs' Thunder. The Packers haven't had a true breakaway threat at RB for a while and that could add a new dimension to this offense.

I am somewhat less excited about Oliver. A 240 pound Edge runs a significant risk of being a liability in the run game. Oliver might be a third down specialist that is a pass rusher only. Potentially useful, but limited in value as he will likely not be an every down player. Also like Lloyd, he needs to get and stay healthy.

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 06, 2026 at 08:05 am

Lloyd and Oliver are "two sleeping giants"?

Maybe, maybe not. Currently they both are "previously injured, sleeping subs" who have not played any meaningful NFL football.

Perhaps this is the year Lloyd stays healthy, rubs the sleep out of his eyes and finally shows his talent and skills. Had he been healthy last season, would he have consistently displayed his talent and skills...running behind that 2025 run blocking OL? Very doubtful.

"Last season, the Packers ranked hilariously low in yards before contact...". True, that. And the OL was mostly responsible for this...even with Jacobs playing banged up the last half of the season. The "lack of dynamism" in the run game was due to the constantly shifting, banged up, trial and error OL, not Jacobs and Wilson.

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ricky's picture

July 06, 2026 at 08:46 am

LVN is still unproven. Lynch has yet to see the field for any significant amount of time. And now we're supposed to get fired up about Oliver, who also has missed significant time. Sorry. Until the guys with "potential" show results in real games, it's all wishing and hoping.

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July 06, 2026 at 08:51 am

Lloyd is a perfect choice for this article. A real wild card for the Packers in a year where the RB room is a big question mark. If he can stay on the field and contribute it would be huge for the Packers offense, even bigger if Jacobs troubles don't go away.

I think the other choice could have easily been LVN way more than Oliver. Oliver was a 5th round take a swing of the bat draft pick. He has some potential but I don't even see him in the top 4 to start the year. Reddick is a good choice for a body comparison. I don't know how they compare on speed and power though.

Van Ness, even without Parsons missing games, is the biggest wildcard/enigma,sleeping giant on the entire team. We need him to be good so badly this year. It could be make or break for him.

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Coldworld's picture

July 06, 2026 at 09:39 am

Reddick was 237 at the combine. He had 2 inch longer arms and was 3/4 of an inch shorter. That’s probably the major difference. Reddick was a tad faster over 40 but slower over 10. Oliver had a better vertical but Riddick the better broad jump. Oliver didn’t do the 3 cone or shuttle, so I have no ability to compare there. At the time of their respective combines, they were essentially the same over all athletically for all practical purposes.

Their pre-draft question marks and positives were pretty similar as well except that Riddick was much more used to playing in space and in coverage as a former CB than Oliver who had been a DE. Oliver is more comfortable against the run than Riddick coming out though. He’s also faster in terms of get off than Riddick, which may favor lining up closer.

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Starrbrite's picture

July 06, 2026 at 04:49 pm

Good post CW.

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dobber's picture

July 06, 2026 at 09:29 am

I think what this article hits on more than anything else is that any significant improvement for this team will have to happen mostly from guys who were on the roster last year. It's possible that the rookie class and the two main outside FA signings (Hargrave, St. Juste) could provide a difference-maker or two, but the roster as a whole needs to elevate.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 06, 2026 at 10:58 am

Yes. That first sentence about how improvement is most likely to happen because of guys who were on the roster last year is exactly on target.

Quite a few of our guys on defense have practiced and played together for a while. McKinney, Williams, Bullard, Nixon, Valentine, Cooper, McDuffie, Hopper, VanNess, Brooks and Wyatt have all been with the team for two or more years. That's 11 guys on defense. Now you add some vets, like Parsons and Hargrave and St. Juste, and count on some development from last year's guys like Oliver and Sorrell and Brinson and Stackhouse. This is a veteran unit, and it should play like it.

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Swisch's picture

July 06, 2026 at 07:27 pm

It's not only the players you go out and get, it's also what you get out of the players you already have.

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July 06, 2026 at 10:08 am

This roster is full of players that the fans really haven't seen play yet.
Marshawn Lloyd and Collin Oliver are two of them, but there are a bunch of others who "we" have never really seen, even in a preseason game.

These other (non-rookie) guys also have my attention:

RBs Pierre Strong Jr. and Damien Martinez (I'm so excited to see both play!)
OL John Williams--successful OT in college, big, smart
OT Brant Banks--seemed to be liked by the coaches before his injury
WR Isaiah Neyor (I'd even include WR Savion Williams)

We also barely saw Barryn Sorrel and Jacob Monk and Warren Brinson

It will be a fun group to watch this pre-season!

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July 06, 2026 at 11:17 am

It’s strange how memory can trick even over such a short time. I would have sworn Brinson played more than Stackhouse, but Stackhouse played 159 snaps (12 tackles, 2 solo. 4 pressures on 62 pass rushing snaps) to Brinson’s 122 (13 tackles, six of which were solo. 11 pressures and half a sack over 68 pass rushing snaps).

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July 06, 2026 at 07:22 pm

I like the optimism.
Along with the draft picks and free agents, it's always fun to see who emerges from the roster we've already had.
Going into the 1959 season, Bart Starr was practically invisible, Ray Nitschke seemed somewhat unstable, and Paul Hornung was a draft bust to the point of being the butt of jokes.

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WD's picture

July 06, 2026 at 10:10 am

Great article . Very informative.

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Turophile's picture

July 06, 2026 at 12:23 pm

I thought the sleeping giants were OT Dalton Cooper (6'6", 326), and Nazir Stackhouse (6'4", 327)....... not to mention DT Jordan Riley (6'5", 338) :-)

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July 06, 2026 at 05:02 pm

I posted a few articles ago that Lloyd and “Lil Micah” were the two players I was most excited about.
This article explains why—and I mostly agree.
I wonder how much they will play Lloyd during preseason?
Go Packers!!!

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