Confessions of a Polluted Mindset -

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Th deeper I looked into the Packers schedule, the less I like it. Besides the obvious things like the early Week 5 bye and two Thursday night games, their schedule is the most "disjointed" of any team in the NFL. Caoches love continuity and consistency of preparation schedules, and LaFleur is not going to be able to count on having a set weekly routine during the 2025 season. In a recent interview, Coach LaFleur bemoaned the number of short, irregular weeks they will have to adapt to. The Packers play twice on a Thursday, once on Monday Night, twice on Sunday Night and at least once on a Saturday, with the possibility of two more in the last two weeks of the season. The only way this could have been worse is if they had been chosen to play the Steelers in Ireland as well, Yuk!

Speaking of the schedule, how do you all feel about the possibility of an 18 game schedule somewhere down the line? And how do you feel about the "1816" proposal where all players except for quarterbacks and kickers are limited to 16 games with expanded rosters and practice squads? Personally, I don't want to see 18 games no matter how it's presented and I absolutely hate the 1816 idea.

Pretty interesting that the Packers have changed the wording on their proposal to ban the tush push. They've broadened the wording to disallow aiding the ball carrier in any way other than blocking for him and this applies anywhere on the field, not just at the line of scrimmage. This is basically the rule that was in place up until 2005. The teams were split evenly in their support or non-support of the Packers' original ban proposal, according to ESPN's sources (surely why the NFL decided to revisit at this week's meetings). The Packers are hoping more teams will now support the proposal and get the needed 24 votes in favor of passing the proposal. If I were a team owner, I would vote yes for sure. It's a rule that never should have been changed.

Charles Woodson is now a Browns owner? What? The Browns? Woodson never played for the Browns but did grow up in Ohio. It's a great move for the Browns organization to associate themselves with a Hall of Famer and Super Bowl Champion (here's the Browns' Press Release).  As for Woodson, currently an Orlando resident, he is now a whopping 0.1% owner of an NFL team. I wonder if Woodson ever bought a Packers stock certificate, which would make him the first ever "owner" of two NFL teams? 

The Packers officially struck Gold(en). First round pick Mathew Golden signed a four year 17.5M contract with the Packers yesterday. It's fully guaranteed and comes with a signing bonus of 9.4M. I noticed this interesting graphic below showing the average annual salaries of the Packers pass catchers and what stands out to me most is what a hell of a bargain Tucker Kraft is. Especially if they follow through on their supposed goal of finding more ways to get the ball in his hands. Please let that come to fruition and not just be empty talk!

 

 

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T7Steve's picture

May 21, 2025 at 06:48 am

2-Thursday games and a Thanksgiving Day game. Allot of early turn around preparing to get some mini byes. Makes the Sunday night and Monday game inconveniences become a thing of the past.

Never liked aiding a runner. It's like allowing the O-line holding to aid the QB.

These 1st round contracts are reflecting what it takes to get the kids away from their NIL money in school. Why not stay an extra year and be top dog rather than be at the bottom of an NFL depth chart?

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Cheezehead72's picture

May 21, 2025 at 06:58 am

Shedeur Sanders made 6.5 mil in 2024. His four year rookie contract will be 4.6 mil.

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TXCHEESE's picture

May 21, 2025 at 11:48 am

Daddy isn't running the team now. I watched some of Colorado's games. He's nothing special. He was probably drafted right where he should have been.

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murf7777's picture

May 21, 2025 at 07:31 am

You’re right……I think if you’re a shoo in for a 1st round draft pick it would be strong reason to go to the NFL. Having 15-20+ M guaranteed is very tempting. There’s always the risk of injury and/or your play drops off for any number of reasons if you stay in college.

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Guam's picture

May 21, 2025 at 07:43 am

I'll bet Sanders wished he'd stayed in college.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:02 am

If you can manage two years on an NFL practice squad, you will have made enough money by 25 that you should be set for life.

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PeteK's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:35 am

I don't think 3/4 of a mill before tax would set you for life. Now Mr Irrelevant who might make a bit over 4 mill could be. The NFL is a very lucrative business and the players deserve a big piece of the pie.

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Oppy's picture

May 21, 2025 at 11:56 am

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Oppy's picture

May 21, 2025 at 12:06 pm

Set for life as in, a massive leg up, cushion, and open doors to investments early on that could significantly lessen financial burdens? Absolutely..

Set for life as in, don’t have to worry about working again, your future, your health care needs? Nope.

Should mention, I’m thinking NFL League minimum salaries (last I checked was $325k, but that’s probably outdated), but I don’t think PS players are entitled to that unless they’re vested. Also, NFL Player Association dues are roughly $50,000/ yr, but I don’t know if non-active roster players are subject to that.

Okay, checked, PS player with 2 or fewer years gets $12,500 per week during regular season. That’s 18 weeks… $450,000 for two years work if they’re full time PS players. ($350k if they have to pay dues)

That’s great money, that’s a huge leg up on life, but it’s not set for life money. With sound investment and good fortune, it could become that.. but it’s not guaranteed.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 21, 2025 at 07:54 pm

More like the first. I did over estimate what practice squad players made....I thought it was more like 750K/year or more. Kaelen King made about $350K last year. Stackhouse is getting about $850K. It varies.

But even at $1.5M over two years, even if you live in a great state like Texas with no income tax, you're not rich. I misstated that. You've given yourself a great leg up at a young age, but it's not enough so you can sit around and drink all day.

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dblbogey's picture

May 21, 2025 at 03:22 pm

"In the NFL, practice squad players earn between $12,500 and $21,300 per week during the regular season." That's 362, 100 per year if you're making the $21,300. Two years on an NFL practice squad gives you $722,200. That's before taxes and IF you're making the maximum. I don't believe your theory stands up.

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Oppy's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:41 pm

The price per week is based on years in league.
Since the conversation stemmed from talks about how Rookie NFL players were sometimes making better money in college now (ick- I threw up a little bit)- I assumed that the idea here was an undrafted or very late round rookie coming into the league who'd play on the PS (since most mid and early round drafted players typically make the roster) and since Leatherhead stated playing two years on PS- the weekly pay is $12,500.

12,500 x 18 weeks = $225,000. x 2 years = $450,000.

Yes, there are exceptions, like Kalen King, a guy drafted and given a rookie contract, but didn't make the active roster, and was paid a premium to stick around, but those are relatively rare.

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Guam's picture

May 21, 2025 at 07:41 am

"Why not stay an extra year and be the top dog rather than be at the bottom of an NFL depth chart?"

I suspect the traditional path of college stars leaving early to earn money in the NFL is over and many college players will stay in college as long as they can. NIL money has gotten more than competitive with NFL rookie salaries and the next few drafts may be a little leaner than usual as college stars stay in college until they run out of eligibility.

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mnbadger's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:22 am

Plus there's something to be said for hanging out with your peers until you've matured mentally and physically.
Less stress on a college campus so long as you behave.
GPG

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 21, 2025 at 08:31 am

The schedule makers did a good job screwing the top teams this year with the Thursday games. There's usually some stinkers but this year there's 7 teams with no Thursday games. Considering there's 20 games altogether, not including the 1st week Thursday game, every team should get at least one of them. Put the crappy teams on early in season before people lose interest in them or on Thanksgiving or Christmas when they'll draw eyes anyway. My guess is Amazon complained and the NFL toed the line.

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JerseyAl's picture

May 21, 2025 at 02:05 pm

My fault for writing "two Thursday Night" games. I meant to say "two Thursday games." I fixed it.

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dblbogey's picture

May 21, 2025 at 03:25 pm

That's OK. I made a mistake once too. Always enjoy your columns, Al.

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Cheezehead72's picture

May 22, 2025 at 06:29 am

I thought made a mistake once and then realized I was right. Well I guess I am not perfect.

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jlc1's picture

May 21, 2025 at 01:52 pm

I think it is one Thursday game and Thanksgiving, two total on Thursdays.

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T7Steve's picture

May 21, 2025 at 02:01 pm

I think the Detroit game is on Thanksgiving Day. The other 2 are Thursday Night games

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GregC's picture

May 21, 2025 at 02:05 pm

So you mean two Thursday games INCLUDING the Thanksgiving game. Seems like there was an article here saying there was a third Thursday game, but I just checked, and there are only two: home against the Commanders in week 2, then the Thanksgiving game in Detroit.

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T7Steve's picture

May 21, 2025 at 02:22 pm

Great! I remembered that article here and am glad I'm mistaken.

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GregC's picture

May 21, 2025 at 02:53 pm

Yes, I remember the article too, and I'm glad it was inaccurate. Three Thursday games would've been ridiculous. Two Thursday games is still annoying but is pretty typical NFL scheduling hijinks.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 21, 2025 at 03:27 pm

The Lions do play three Thursday games, mitigated somewhat by playing the Cowboys the Thursday after Thanksgiving. So the 2nd game for them won't be a short week for them or the Cowboys but they still have to play away on Christmas vs the Vikings. That's pretty lame with 7 teams not having to play a Thursday game at all.

The Cowboys actually have to play four Thursday games but one is the 1st week so that doesn't count as far as turnaround time and is actually an advantage. Making both the Lions and Cowboys play on Christmas is questionable at best.

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GregC's picture

May 22, 2025 at 05:18 am

The Lions and Cowboys choose to play on Thanksgiving, and it's a home game that's part of their annual routine, so I'm not going to count it as any kind of hardship. It is still questionable for these teams to have so many additional Thursday games though.

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MikeFlanaganStan's picture

May 26, 2025 at 04:29 pm

The CBA has preset and slotted the contracts rookies are receiving. NIL doesn't enter into the contract formulation at all. The slotting was introduced in the 2011 agreement and agreed to again in 2020. California enacted the first NIL legislation in 2019 during the opening of the 2019-20 season.

It would enter into a decision to declare for the draft.

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Cheezehead72's picture

May 21, 2025 at 06:55 am

I did not like the league going to 17 games other than that gives me one more game to watch in the season. The same goes for 18 games. I do not want to see the 1816 rule go into effect. That is plain stupid. Now I will admit that I had thought of something similar but I threw it in the trash can right away. That is how my mind works I try to think of everything even if it is foolish. If they go to a 18 game schedule with two preseason games I would like to see all games the first two weeks be AFC/NFC games.

As for banning the tush push. I am a minority I guess because I do not see an issue with it. I will admit I do not like seeing it used but I also do not want to see the officials trying to officiate it. If they keep it or ban it I am ok.

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GregC's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:39 am

For most of the NFL's history it was illegal to push your teammate when he was carrying the ball, and it was a total non-issue.

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PeteK's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:54 am

I agree, more games more injuries to good players, we'll be watching bench players by the end of the season. Aiding the runner is a dangerous play. What's next, put a lineman in the backfield and have him throw a lightweight WR over the line and if said player clears the goal post is it a TD or field goal.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:38 am

All this worry/concern about injuries with extra games, preseason, and yet, some of these players will be playing in the Olympics, before preseason with disregard for the possible injury, if happens, that can make them miss games for the job that pays them. Wait, injuries can't happen in Flag Football to players who, it seems, pull hamstrings while running, stretching for a pass. If these players are allowed to play in any type of football game outside the NFL, don't cry about them possibly getting hurt, or do, playing a preseason game.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

May 21, 2025 at 03:21 pm

I would hope that the contracts would shift some of the risk to the olympians from a salary perspective. Some kind of pro rate reduction if they miss a game because they pulled a hammy or tore an ACL or Achilles playing flag football in the Olympics. And on a tangent, seriously? Olympic flag football? The ancient Greeks would be swallowing their swords…

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

May 21, 2025 at 07:03 am

I have to assume that if they adopt the 18 game schedule, it would come with 2 bye weeks. I guess if they can move the revenue from a pre-season game to that of a regular season game both the owners and players win financially. The risk is whether that financial gain comes with more injuries.

I enjoy the pre-season games as the Packers rarely play starters and we get to see who are competing for back-up and practice squad roles, but I am sure I am the minority.

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Cheezehead72's picture

May 21, 2025 at 07:17 am

When I had cable and satellite TV I would record many preseason games and watch them through the week. I love watching preseason. Not sure what I will do this year as I cannot record them anymore.

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PeteK's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:01 am

I recorded all re-aired Pack pre season games on the NFL network with YOUTUBE streaming.

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Starrbrite's picture

May 21, 2025 at 07:28 am

I’m not opposed to 18 games, but the “1816” rule is stupidity. I’m also for expanded rosters, i.e., practice squad players are eligible to play on Sundays. It seems dumb to me that you can make the team but not be allowed to play when it counts.
I have forever been against the “push”—hate it! …not as much as I hate the Broncos however.
Go Packers!!!

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Coldworld's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:08 am

I am ok with 18 games, but we need 2 byes with in close proximity to 1/3 and 2/3rds of the season. Injuries happen, but I prefer to see football played by as healthy teams as possible. That makes for better games and it is a more significant field tillter than scheduling non Sunday games to have wildly recuperation breaks. You play who you play, but the opportunity to play them as healthily as possible helps maintain product quality and gives some cushion for short weeks.

The idea of compulsory rest games for each player is laughable. Let’s dilute the product to avoid resting teams. It also excludes QBs. Perhaps we forget that some of the stars play very physically too and the impact of one dinged up is huge as a fan or just an impartial football watcher. This is dancing around to avoid doing what’s right, presumably to maximize TV. The owners are doing just fine. They will make more long term by protecting the product.

Perhaps the players will speak up on this in the next CBA round. They probably should and that might be the only way to a rational resolution.

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Packers0808's picture

May 21, 2025 at 07:38 am

The 1816 rule is about as bad for the spectator who attends games as can be. Imagine spending all that money on tickets and find out the game you see is the one of two where you don't get to see the best players {Stars} get to play. That would totally piss me off!

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mnbadger's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:27 am

Great point.
Obviously there would be zero discount to ticket prices for watered down roster.
GPG!

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murf7777's picture

May 21, 2025 at 07:43 am

There’s no doubt it is a cluster of a schedule. I’d argue that the first Thursday night game is a positive because Washington has to travel to us on a short week. It’s important to note that if the opposing team is playing the same time the previous game the advantage goes to the home team.

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Starrbrite's picture

May 21, 2025 at 07:47 am

Agree Murf.

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Starrbrite's picture

May 21, 2025 at 07:49 am

I just read in Bleacher Report the T-Push has been banned…
Good job Al, the owners read your article.
Go Packers!!!

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GregC's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:44 am

Hasn't happened yet. They just said it looks likely.

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PackAttackJack's picture

May 21, 2025 at 11:51 am

Packers proposal failed to get required minimum votes. 22 for, 10 against. 24 needed.

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Guam's picture

May 21, 2025 at 07:50 am

I'm not a fan of the tush push and favor the Packer proposal to revert to the old rule which had been around for a long time and seemed to work well.

I dislike the 1816 concept and if the owners insist on an 18 game schedule, then they need to expand the rosters to allow for the additional injuries caused by an extended schedule. My personal preference is for a fourteen game schedule...... And yes I know I am an old fogy.

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Coldworld's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:18 am

I used to feel that the tush push was a legitimate tactical move, but it became clear that the rules do not really allow defenders to counter it. That’s the aspect that bothers me. Sure, it isn’t 100% successful, but that largely seems down to execution rather than defensive countermeasures.

We saw last season that some teams would merely rerun it on 4th. That did lead to near 100%. Clearly they felt that the very high probability of success justified the potential loss of position. To me that screams for a rule change.

If there is a valid defensive rule adjustment to level the odds, I’d be fine with that, but I have not heard one. In the absence of that, the game is better without a gimme play of this type. Moreover, the willingness of teams to risk defensive penalties to counter it started to become tedious. So I am a convert: just get rid of it.

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Guam's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:04 am

Well said CW. My reasoning was the same - defenders can't push their DL forward to counter the push on the QB so it really is an unfair advantage for the offense. The old rule was fair to both sides, bring it back.

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Starrbrite's picture

May 21, 2025 at 08:35 pm

CW-that’s exactly my argument—the defense has to hope the oline jumps offsides. Meanwhile, when the defense attempts to time their jump at the snap of the ball, and becomes offsides (twice), the officials announce they will award a score to the offense if it happens again. What a frikin sham.

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Since'61's picture

May 21, 2025 at 08:18 am

First I agree that the Packers schedule prevents coaching continuity for preparation and I think if flows terribly and is, quite frankly, unfair to the Packers. I don't like how the schedule is laid out.

The league should return to the 2005 rule as far as assisting ball carriers and disallow any pushing of the ball carrier.

1816 is a stupid and unnecessary concept. The 18 game schedule has been inevitable for a long time. The league should have 2 bye weeks and expand the rosters. I thought the league had it perfect when they had a 16 game schedule. I thought that worked out great. 18 games is just another money grab from the TV networks.

Schedule wise it's going to be a challenging season for the Packers. Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:27 am

I don’t really buy into the day of the game being a major obstacle except for cumulative physical recovery. Other sports manage irregular games fairly routinely. NFL coaching staffs should have plenty of people and resources to handle preparation.

If they don’t, it’s on them to go out and add or upgrade personnel. That means paying people good enough to do the work in advance that head coaches can rely upon and have the confidence to largely run with immediately the short week starts. In other words it’s team resources commitment and coaching management capability.

Players should be largely up to speed anyway. In season coaching for most is just about tactics and tweaks in approach. That should be doable in 3 days (allowing for a rest day and travel) unless teams are being handed back-to-back-to back short weeks.

It’s the cumulative travel and physical attrition without recuperation that becomes a genuine issue at that point unless we want teams rotating within a squad system. As with the 1816 foolishness, that’s not a good idea either football at all.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 21, 2025 at 08:44 am

Agree on Kraft needing to be a bigger part of the offense. Given how hard it is to find top TEs I'd rather see him resigned than any WR on the roster. That will be much harder to do if he's not getting a Top TE workload, which is about 50% more targets than he got last year.

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T7Steve's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:30 am

It all depends on how well the O-line can block. This season's version looks allot better on paper and will allow the TEs to leak out more and create some mismatches. Will open up more passing to the RBs too.

Of course, the season isn't played on paper.

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PeteK's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:22 am

I also believe a Kraft/Musgrave combo could be very difficult for a defense because of the run/pass opportunity.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 21, 2025 at 04:46 pm

I heard Gronk say the other day that he and Hernandez accounted for almost 2800 yards of offense in their 2nd season between regular season and playoffs. At 1st I thought he had taken too many bumps to the head but sure enough 2798 yards. I don't know what pair of TEs would come in 2nd but I bet it's 500 yards less than that at least.

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Coldworld's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:06 am

For that to happen though, he needs to have more routes without chipping responsibilities and thus where he is a At the top of the progression. That will require a dominant OL upfield of a type we haven’t seen or a second TE in who can block and chip as well as Kraft or better. Who is that? It’s not Sims or Fitzpatrick. Is it Swinson or Lumpkin? Will they ever make the team? Is it a 6th OL? It’s certainly not Musgrave.

If we expand Krafts role in the passing game to a meaningful extent, that therefore makes it harder to incorporate Musgrave and 2back sets. It also suggests a lot of 2 receiver looks unless LaFleur gets very creative with Williams as a RB or Lloyd and Musgrave as a WR. Otherwise Reed and the other WRs may spend extra time time warming the bench.

We have a lot of weapons, but it’s not at all clear how we are going to incorporate them optimally, in terms of outcome of games or keeping them happy. That sets a trap if you don’t identify the ones that absolutely need more involvement (like Kraft) and ruthlessly pursue their involvement at the expense of others.

That includes secondary changes (such as a blocking TE) and are willing to manage the fall out. Is that something that people think is a quality that LaFleur has? Of not, one ends up with compromises that fail to exploit best assets enough or in optimal circumstances, resulting in not getting the best out of players.

LaFleur has a real challenge of imagination, courage of his convictions and man management ahead to identify and pursue optimal production from this group. It’s going to take Lombardi-esque vision and determination to realize it to do so,

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Bitternotsour's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:13 am

Add all those weapons numbers together and then compare them to say, the Bengals. It gives some insight as to how the Packers have managed the cap. First contracts/vet minimums across the receiver group. Pretty clear planning.

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13TimeChamps's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:49 am

I guess this will put me in the category of an old "get off my lawn" guy who hates change, but please give me back my 16 game schedule.

Perfect symmetry: 32 teams/16 games/8 divisions/4 teams per divisions/8 home games/8 away games.

I'm still pissed they went to this wacky 17 game schedule, and of course, an 18 game schedule is all but inevitable. But money will always rule. And player safety will always come in second.

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GregC's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:58 am

I loved the symmetry of the 16 game schedule. The season had a halfway point, and it even had a 1/4 point. Perfect for projecting stats.

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Coldworld's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:14 am

40 teams, 4 divisions, split between 4 quadrants of the US; NE,SE, SW, NW. All play each other twice. 8 expansion soon teams, all overseas. 2 in South America, 2 in Europe, 2 in east Asia, 1 in Australia and the other one in Saudi Arabia/China/india as dollars dictate. Each attached to the “nearest” quadrant possible whilst having a maximum of 2 per quadrant.

Be ready. The World Football League is coming. NFL buys airliners with on board training facilities for use by teams with over 12 hour flights. 2040 Super Bowl takes place in Japan, with the Shanghai Dragons winning at 4 am central time kick off. More than a billion people tune in live. Packers buy Wisconsin with their share of the proceeds. Mumbai buys the former Jaguars as the new Mumbai maharajas at a price that could have bought smaller nations. Faisal bin Abdulaziz becomes the next Commissioner.

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13TimeChamps's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:31 am

No Africa or Antarctica?

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Coldworld's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:39 am

Dollars. League vetoes Antarctica after protracted strike by officials. “We have enough penguins on Sundays”.

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T7Steve's picture

May 21, 2025 at 02:06 pm

Antartica will have the next outdoor stadium so they can outdo the Frozen Tundra with the Frozen Ice Cap.

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crayzpackfan's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:59 am

I truly hope this doesn't happen.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 21, 2025 at 11:23 am

In that great movie, Starship Troopers, they had teams in Buenos Aires playing a version of football in the near future. Different uniforms, crazy plays like "Flip switch six hole", and appallingly bad tackling.

Basketball and baseball have had their day, but football is gaining in popularity . I could see global expansion .

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GregC's picture

May 21, 2025 at 11:57 am

A dystopian nightmare!

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NFLfan's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:58 am

According to NFL Operations:

'In 2025, the New York Giants, Detroit Lions, and Chicago Bears are slated to have the toughest schedules, while the San Francisco 49ers, New Orleans Saints, and New England Patriots have the easiest schedules.'

I wish Packer fans, coaches and players would focus on what they need to do to improve instead of the 'unfairness of it all'. It comes across, (to me) as excuse-making before the season has even started.

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GregC's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:18 am

LaFleur said the weird schedule was "interesting" when asked about it. Not surprising because coaches hate having their routines disrupted, but let's hope that's the last thing he says about it. I don't even like hearing fans complain about the schedule, not to mention the players and coaches. Just play the team on your schedule and do your best to win. The schedule is wacky for most teams nowadays.

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PeteK's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:30 am

We're just bored before the season starts.

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greengold's picture

May 23, 2025 at 07:19 am

Totally agree. Line up, play who is in front of you, and win. I don't care about the schedule. Have your team, players and coaches alike, ready to win the game.

As for expansion to 18 games, seems the owners should then pay more for expanded rosters to keep the NFL product from being watered down. Game day rosters should be expanded in like kind, and 53 man rosters should be increased to 60 players, along with team salary caps.

More injuries happen with more games added to NFL team schedules.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 21, 2025 at 04:57 pm

Seems like you're bitching about excuse making before the excuse making even started. Do you rent a room from Taryn?

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NFLfan's picture

May 21, 2025 at 06:41 pm

I'm more interested in talking about something real. Not big boy fantasies about unknown quantities such as Golden, Williams,

-Has J. Love improved his footwork?
-What are the WR's doing to improve route-running/dropped passes?
-let's objectively evaluate the Offensive position coaches.
-Who is Connor Lewis & why was he promoted to passing game specialist? what are his qualifications and track record? Y'know real conversations not the safe stuff.

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LeotisHarris's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:02 pm

That's fine, you can choose to not entertain all the "big boy fantasies" you'd like, so let's look at what you've termed as "something real."

-Has J. Love improved his footwork?

If he has, one of your central tenants picked up from Mina Kimes is moot. If he hasn't, then I think you'll win the internet by pouring everyone a big cup of I-told-ya-so. You will be the biggest and bestest girl! Try to remember some of the little people at the trophy presentation.

-What are the WR's doing to improve route-running/dropped passes?

The wide receivers what? Their feet? Eyes? Hands? The apostrophe is a difficult little bugger. Plural vs possessive = something real.

-let's objectively evaluate the Offensive position coaches.

Yes, and let's start with the premise that the Packers are lazy and do not conduct thorough searches for any coaches. From there, it's an easy ride to "it's all done to protect MLF and Gute" and you can easily cut and paste from dozens of past posts.

-Who is Connor Lewis & why was he promoted to passing game specialist? what are his qualifications and track record?

His bio is posted on the Packers website, What's holding you back from dissecting it and comparing it to those in similar positions league-wide. Don't be so lazy. After all, if there's anyone on CHTV who can evaluate coaches, it's you.

-Y'know real conversations not the safe stuff.

Again, you seem like a person who really wants to be taken seriously. You don't want "real conversations", you want attention. Even negative attention is attention, right fangirl?

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splitpea1's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:21 am

No thanks to 18 games; 17 is too many. I think most people are ready for the playoffs after 16. Much of the upper seeding has already been determined, and after that, there will be too many meaningless games.

I've heard some coaches bemoaning the tush push say that it doesn't "look like football." To me it just looks like a different formation and it sounds it bit like sour grapes that either they can't do it or stop it. I'm not in favor of banning it, but if it is, I suspect the offenses that like to use it will be just as good sneaking it.

The way I look at it, all of our pass catchers are a bargain. That's why it's so important to draft players who can make an impact in the shortest possible time. I also saw that Golden's contract is very similar dollar-wise to Van Ness's. LOL, I'll go out on a limb and predict we'll get more of our money's worth from Golden in those first two years....

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PeteK's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:34 am

On another note, I liked the reseeding proposal, but believe Lions yanked it (they certainly do).

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BuckyBadger's picture

May 21, 2025 at 01:31 pm

I don't like that proposal at all. In order to do that we would have to get rid of the divisions. NFL records aren't apples to apples comparisons which is why we need to have division winners host the home game. The schedule played by the Eagles and Packers is very different. They not only play their divisional games twice they play completely different divisions in the NFC and AFC. They will only have a couple of common opponents unless their divisions are matched up for the season..

It is lazy to say a 12-5 teams is better than a 10-7 team when they have completely different schedules.

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LeotisHarris's picture

May 21, 2025 at 10:39 am

The NFL will continue with efforts to expand its global market. Maintaining the health of star players while harvesting the supply of replaceable moving parts is key. More games must be presented to a wider audience or there will be no growth. No growth means Jerry Jones and his ilk don't get more, and that makes them sad. So, there must be progress toward a worldwide product served up daily, ideally year-round. Reality TV brought to you by the NFL and its partner greed.

How long fans continue to identify with this business model remains to be seen. Americans need their football, for sure, but at what cost. Broadcast rights will float the boat as long as we continue to support all the providers so we can tune in. Like 13, I'm in get-off my-lawn-mode. We could contemplate the seven deadly sins while we circle the drain or we could get ready for some football. Either way, someone should find Chris Stapleton and swat that ridiculous hat off his head.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 21, 2025 at 11:27 am

America NEEDS football. We are ruled by it like an army of steamrollers. (sorry, wrong movie).

I do have a semi-serious question. Do fans have to attend, or can you just sell the television rights to the games? During the Covid shutdown, weren't there games played in empty stadiums?

For that matter, couldn't we just televise AI football games? No injuries, no bloated salaries, unbelievably hard hits that earn penalties when people do it? I can see the possibilites. Like Madden, but with a lot better graphics.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 21, 2025 at 12:21 pm

* The Packers have become the victims of their own popularity - with one of the largest national and international fan bases. Of course the NFL very much wants to exploit this - so not caring too much about an unkind and irregular schedule for the Team. Truly the NFL is the National Financial League.

* Probably won't have to implement the 1816 rule - when the schedule is expanded to 18 games. Because team injury lists will also expand.

* Re: Tush Push. Is it the National Football League (USA) or the National Rugby League (AUS) ?

* Good for Charles Woodson - becoming a minority owner of an NFL franchise - literally and literally.

* Glad that NIL has directly resulted in a broader and greater distribution of wealth for College players. While indirectly for NFL players.

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NFLfan's picture

May 21, 2025 at 12:27 pm

@AP-If the Packers don't do too well this season, the shine will start to wear off and Prime Time will wane.
I saw it happen with the Warriors. The Warriors are currently coasting on their past greatness-

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 21, 2025 at 12:52 pm

I know what you're saying. Although I think that the GBP and GSW differ - in as much that the Packers are still an ascending team - while the Warriors are desperately trying to not become a descending team. Nevertheless the reality is that both teams are mere placeholders for the prime TV slots. Should one or both teams not uphold their popularity - the NFL (and NBA) will quickly insert another Team into those slots.

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Cheezehead72's picture

May 21, 2025 at 01:10 pm

Owners voted against banning the tush push. But they did make it official to call it the Love Shove. Problem is we use Kraft which is crafty

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Leatherhead's picture

May 21, 2025 at 01:16 pm

What play would you run if you needed 2 feet?

I'd bring in a 6th offensive lineman, like Morgan or Belton, as a third TE, and let Kraft try his luck behind them.

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Coldworld's picture

May 21, 2025 at 02:05 pm

Why not just use an OL/DL with good lower body strength and explosion. There are plenty of undersized types OL/DTs who are only about 270-80. Or one could use a big DE or TE. The limit here is only how far teams will invest in the play and ingenuity. The rules prevent much more from defenders. Wheel out a Gary type or a Tom type …. There’s not a lot of ball handling involved. Grab the ball, power forward, cross the line with it clutched tightly to you.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 21, 2025 at 02:39 pm

I also think that we may see Savion Williams on short-yardage plays. Along with Tucker Kraft.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 21, 2025 at 02:54 pm

When we put Kevin Barry on the field, you had a 300+ pound offensive lineman matching up against a 255 lb defender . It turns Pro Bowl edge rushers into a defensive liability. I remember the 49ers saying after one game "We knew what they were going to do and we couldn't stop it".

As far as who is HANDLING the ball, you keep the ball in the hands of your best, most reliable, people. Kraft and Jacobs have both been pretty sure handed

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BuckyBadger's picture

May 21, 2025 at 01:32 pm

Will always be the Bush Push to me as he was the one that got it reversed when he pushed Matt Leinert at USC.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 21, 2025 at 01:22 pm

There are several reasons to be excited about the Packers this season.

The Defense should be very good. Hafley and his staff have shown great ability fit their players into their Attack Defense based on individual talents to maximize team synergies. Interested to see how the multi-talented Isaiah Simmons is used by Hafley and Sean Duggan (gonna miss Campanile...but Duggan has been with Hafley for a while).

The Offense can be very good. Lots of new talent for LaFleur and staff this season: Banks, Golden, Savion Williams, John Williams and in actuality also Morgan and Lloyd. Tucker Kraft getting more touches should be an easy decision. He was a first down/chunk play machine with his limited targets. LaFleur & staff need to step it up.

Special teams should be fine. Kickers are solid & some exciting returners. Need to meet expectations for a change.

This remains a very young team...and quite talented. FYI: The Packers 2022 draft class was just "regraded" after 3 years. They were one of 5 NFL Teams that received an A+.

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Pack_Attack's picture

May 21, 2025 at 04:25 pm

Why complain about schedules? Every team wishes their schedule could be better. Bye weeks rotate every year, so there's no advantage there, either. Funny how there was no mention about the first home game in years to start the season. Something that makes you go, hmm.

The 18-game proposal is due to the greedy owners. They just don't have enough money to spend at their favorite AMP. The league just can't get enough money. Global expansion of the NFL should accommodate their insatiable appetite for cash. NFL corporate offices in London, Brazil, and Germany are laying the ground work as we continue to spend billions on a game that ultimately does little to improve our livelihood.

Go Pack Go!

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Major Snafu's picture

May 21, 2025 at 08:11 pm

I'm with a lot of you give us back 16 games. This commish is committed to make mo money for his owners.
The extra game only makes hockey and baseball and b ball expand . Everyone wants to gets in each other's pockets.

We went to the twins opener a few years ago. It was 32 degrees and snowing. By the 5th inning all we wanted was a warm bar somewhere and food.
Hell hockey may he over in July this year.

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PhantomII's picture

May 21, 2025 at 08:48 pm

Not throwing more to Kraft AND Jacobs is a big mistake, especially with last seasons drops record....come on ML.

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cdoemel's picture

May 21, 2025 at 09:32 pm

Lafleur also recognizes and said, nobody cares about the difficulty or quirkiness of your schedule. Be ready to play on game day. That’s his job. We’ll see

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HarryHodag's picture

May 22, 2025 at 07:09 am

I hate to say it because I don't like dirty play, but defenses should practice using a couple 'kamikaze' linebackers. Since the play is nearly unstoppable the offense will make the first down so a penalty makes little difference. As the offense lines up, the two inside linebackers run toward the line and snap or not leap the pile and smash the defenseless quarterback. Imagine the $50 million baby getting hit like that. Yes there will be a penalty, and there could be some ejections, but it might make the 10 idiot teams who voted against the Packers proposal rethink the idea that pushing people forward is also unsafe.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 22, 2025 at 09:25 am

Here's the thing about going for it on 4th and 1. If you make it, it's a first down. If you don't make it, it's a turnover.

So, what does your success rate have to be? 50%? 75%? More. I mean, do three extra sets of downs equal one turnover?

The rules won't change until people get hurt, or people quit watching. I, personally, don't want to watch a bunch of scrums.

If I remember my football history, there was a college game back over 100 years ago where the ball carrier was pushed and carried and pulled and by the end of the game he was wrecked. There was a photo of him that got circulated, and it actually motivated the Federal Government to tell the colleges to clean up the game or they'd do it for them. So they banned the pushing/pulling/carrying and it remained that way for a long time. Why they changed it again, and when, is something I don't know.

The famous Ice Bowl sneak shows Chuck Mercein with his arms raised up. He wasn't signalling a TD, he was showing the refs he wasn't pushing Bart, because that would have been a penalty.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 22, 2025 at 08:58 pm

"If I remember my football history, there was a college game back over 100 years ago where the ball carrier was pushed and carried and pulled and by the end of the game he was wrecked. There was a photo of him that got circulated, and it actually motivated the Federal Government to tell the colleges to clean up the game or they'd do it for them. So they banned the pushing/pulling/carrying and it remained that way for a long time. Why they changed it again, and when, is something I don't know."

Untrue. In 1905 there were 18 deaths in college football and Roosevelt had to step in to keep it from being banned. Rules changes had a little effect but in 1909 there were 26 deaths and more significant changes were made that gradually reduced the death toll.

Nice story though.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 22, 2025 at 09:18 pm

Thanks for confirming what I said. About a hundred 100 years ago. The Federal Government. Clean up the sport or else.

Thanks for including the detail about the 18 deaths. The photo story is true.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 22, 2025 at 09:45 pm

Except it wasn't a photo it was people getting killed, a wee bit of difference. And there wasn't Federal Government involvement, it was Roosevelt voicing his opinion. The main push to ban it came from the colleges themselves.

But go ahead and say you were right, I know how hard it is for you to say otherwise.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 23, 2025 at 09:05 am

I am right. You have said nothing that contradicts my original post.

The Federal government wasn’t involved, just the President. Sheesh.

The game was too rough and needed to be cleaned up. The pushing/ pulling of the ball carrier was part of that, just like I said.

Once again, you have demonstrated your wits by picking nits.

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Bitternotsour's picture

May 23, 2025 at 09:06 am

here's the thing about punting on 4th and one. It too is a turnover.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 23, 2025 at 09:38 am

That's an interesting observation. When the original "Never Punt" article came out, the author's point was that any possession that doesn't result in points is a turnover. His view was that the only thing that was more valuable than possession was a TD.

The Packers punted 56 times last year in 181 possessions. On a per game basis, that's about 3 or 4 punts in 10 or 11 possessions. Add in a turnover on about 10% of the drives, or maybe a missed FG.

Generally speaking, I'm a fan of going for it. But there is a cost for not making it.

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Bitternotsour's picture

May 23, 2025 at 01:17 pm

yes, but the cost can be mitigated based on field position, down and distance.

as for "tush push", all it takes is a Hurts concussion that puts him out for two games for the play to become moot. The defense will be players anticipating snap count and launching at his head.

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PatrickGB's picture

May 22, 2025 at 04:19 pm

Honestly, when I first read the schedule I guessed we would end up as a 9-10 win team. I’m hopeful that I’m very very wrong.

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