Cory's Corner: Scott Tolzien deserves the backup QB job

The backup quarterback race this year has a lot of similarities to last year.
A year ago, Matt Flynn won the backup job despite being outplayed on paper in the preseason by Scott Tolzien. And this year, Brett Hundley has raised plenty of eyebrows while Tolzien nursed injuries.
Nothing can replace regular season experience. Two years ago, Tolzien started two games after Seneca Wallace’s brief moment had passed. Even though he went 0-1-1 in those games, he showed he could lead.
Now Hundley, the quarterback whom the Packers traded up to take in the fifth round, finished with a preseason passer rating of 129.7 — one of the best marks in Packers’ history. Hundley finished with a line of 45-for-65 with 630 yards, seven touchdowns and one interception.
Those are very impressive numbers. But are they worth risking a string of regular season games if Aaron Rodgers gets hurt?
Last year everyone was enamored with Flynn’s ability. However, I was one of the few that said that Flynn deserved to start because of his experience and knowledge with the offense.
It’s obvious that Tolzien has improved every year since becoming a Packer in 2013. Now in a contract year, he appears on the cusp of potentially becoming a starting quarterback in this league — something that would’ve seemed impossible after signing with San Diego as an undrafted free agent in 2011. His fastball has gotten spicier and he doesn’t take as many chances as he once did.
And now Hundley plays well in the preseason and the talk following the final game was centered on trading Tolzien. Even if Ted Thompson does trade Tolzien, which he won’t, what is he going to get in return? A seventh rounder? Maybe a sixth? That’s not worth the gamble of insuring your most important position.
Don’t get me wrong. Hundley can be groomed into something special. He has the opportunity to grow like Mark Brunell and Matt Hasselbeck did. Both of those guys came to Green Bay willing to learn a position from a future Hall of Famer. Brunell doubled down his one season backing up Brett Favre and turned it into a solid 78-73 career. Hasselbeck played under Favre for two seasons and became a three-time Pro Bowler and advanced to a Super Bowl.
Many more things are on the horizon for Hundley. But they cannot be forced. This is Tolzien’s time to own the huddle and lead. It’s Hundley’s time to learn and absorb.
Since the Packers are in a win now mode, they can afford to do that. If this was the exact middle of a rebuilding project, Tolzien might already be gone. There would be no use for a middling veteran on a team that is prepping for the future. But he’s perfect for a team that needs leadership and a veteran presence that can literally be a ball-bounce from advancing to another Super Bowl.
Does Hundley have all the tangible skills to be Rodgers’ backup? Sure. He has great escapability and he makes good reads. However, the best backups are the ones that can keep the ship steady and maintain momentum until the leader can assume his spot under center again.
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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn
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Comments (24)
croatpackfan
September 05, 2015 at 06:49 am
Cory, thank you for this article... I agree with most of the fans (including you!) that Brett Hundley showed a lot and that he should have a bright future (no matter where), but, also I was pointing out that Scott knows the system and can play more complex games than Brett. Do not forgot that preseason games are mostly vanilla games with basic offenses and defenses (more important for QB evaluation). We really do not know how would Brett read opponents D in regular games (not one on ones!), what was Scott Tolzien problem when he started those 2 and half games as Packers QB (real record should be w/e/l - 0/1/2). I think Brett would do better job (not much better), but only and exclusively because he pass Packers TC this season and Scott was 7 days on active roster before he started to play as NFL starter...
I expect Scott will got offer from another team next season. Will that be for the starting job, it only depends on how much he will have chances to play for Packers this season!
sheppercheeser
September 05, 2015 at 06:54 am
Way too soon to insert Hundley yet, but I see great things in his future. Tolzien has earned his spot. I'm stoked that GB is so stacked in this position. It certainly wasn't always that way.
TarynsEyes
September 05, 2015 at 06:59 am
"It’s obvious that Tolzien has improved every year since becoming a Packer in 2013. Now in a contract year, he appears on the cusp of potentially becoming a starting quarterback in this league — something that would’ve seemed impossible after signing with San Diego as an undrafted free agent in 2011. His fastball has gotten spicier and he doesn’t take as many chances as he once did."
It isn't obvious outside the politically correct rhetoric and Tolzien certainly isn't a starting QB unless it's for a team that has shown a history via utter ineptness of knowing what a QB,starting or otherwise,actually is..any guesses....NYJ,CLE
" This is Tolzien’s time to own the huddle and lead."
This reeks on a schoolyard mentality and one that has been spouted by a politician....Isn't it time we had a woman President"...regardless of the crap seen because it's 'my' turn...deserved or not. If you select or elect based on that reasoning,don't cry about what you get from the choice down the road.
"the best backups are the ones that can keep the ship steady and maintain momentum until the leader can assume his spot under center again. "
I'm on record saying we probably could have gotten Hundley in the 6th rd with a comp pick and should have taken another ILB.I admit Hundley has surprised and see a steal with him.
If you feel so secure with Tolzien,would you trade Hundley if offered a 2nd rd pick next year for him or would you keep him and trade Tolzien for a 6th-7th pick which would justify saying he 'isn't' a starting QB and likely never will be except under the 'we have no one else' calamity.
IMO,if Rodgers goes down,Hundley,as raw as he is,will do more with the offense than Tolzien to keep it afloat.
I'd love for Blanchard to be signed to the PS and be used as the 3rd back up if needed over Tolzien.
One roster spot...Tolzien or Abberderis...choose.
croatpackfan
September 05, 2015 at 08:13 am
I already noticed that you do not like Scott. I can accept that, but bring right arguments to the discussion, not your opinion(s). Your opinions are not arguments!
TarynsEyes
September 05, 2015 at 08:47 am
It's my understanding that I'm entitled to my opinion(s) here and whether you accept them as legit grounds as arguments is your opinion which I always allow anyone to offer.
Bearmeat
September 05, 2015 at 09:37 am
Taryn is right Croat. She is entitled to her opinions Especially since she usually can back them up with a rational thought process.
That said...Taryn. I completely disagree with you on this one. :P
TarynsEyes
September 05, 2015 at 10:00 am
Thank You Bearmeat
I expected most would but I'll stand by my thinking until/unless Tolzien can show starter quality play.His value was heightened because of the back up depleted talent...Hundley erased that scenario and thus Tolziens over valued value. :)
TKWorldWide
September 05, 2015 at 10:16 am
However, it WOULD help if you'd state that this is your "professional" opinion. ;)
TarynsEyes
September 05, 2015 at 10:33 am
I believe that is copyright protected by....'him' and I perceive no benefit from infringing on it. :)
Tundraboy
September 05, 2015 at 09:25 pm
Totally agree with you on this. Well stated as well and a welcome escape from the vitriol so prevalent on this site of late
croatpackfan
September 05, 2015 at 03:53 pm
I agree that everybody here is entitled for own opinion. That is one thing. Another thing is when you are using your opinion as "argument". That is what I wrote... And I have no problems with Taryn opinion of Scott. I tend to believe Mike McCarthy on football "opinions", not Taryn...
AZPack
September 05, 2015 at 12:14 pm
I agree w/ you. Tolzien was overvalued. He is what he is. A Good backup. Not a chance the Packers get any trade value for him (much less a 1st like someone w/ a professional opinon said we would). I think he'll be the backup this year and then leave in FA. If the Packers are lucky they might get a compensatory pick. Being a Badger makes others over value him, that along w/ his play showed he's a backup.
I'm not quite ready to hand the Backup QB job to Hundley tho. Tolzien's knowledge of the offense gives him the edge this year, but this year only.
I guess he's not the next Peyton Manning like someone thought!
WKUPackFan
September 05, 2015 at 12:10 pm
Agreed that Tolzien has no trade value (that's not exactly rocket science). There is no way GB gets a comp pick if ST leaves in FA. My understanding is that game play is necesssary to generate a comp pick. Some other team might sign him, but not for much.
That being said, ST should be the #2 this year.
zeke
September 05, 2015 at 10:34 am
"One roster spot...Tolzien or Abberderis...choose."
Tolzien, and it isn't close. But Abbrederis would be the 5th or 6th WR (and perhaps the #1 PR), so his position isn't as vital as the backup QB. Hundley had a nice pre-season but still doesn't know the playbook and is extremely raw. He has tons more upside than Tolzien, and hopefully next year he's progressed enough to be the legit #2 QB. As a big Badger fan, I expect Tolzien to have a Jim Sorgi-esque pro career. And there's nothing wrong with that.
AZPack
September 05, 2015 at 11:14 am
Didn't someone w/ a "professional" opinion tell us Tolzien was the next Peyton Manning tho. Could have swore I heard that a lot from someone. Do you remember who it was?
Crackerpacker
September 05, 2015 at 07:59 am
I see Tolzien as a good (not great) affordable long term back up. Hundley i see getting traded for a high draft pick (how high i don't know).
Since'61
September 05, 2015 at 08:31 am
I spent yesterday watching all 4 Packer pre-season games, one after the other, in a futile attempt to overcome my jet lag after returning from a 2 month sojourn through Asia and Australia. Haven't been here much this summer but I've kept up with the articles for the most part and after watching the 4 games I'm OK with Tolzien as our #2 backup and Hundley as #3. I agree with most here that Hundley will surpass Tolzien and become our #2 at some point in the future. If Rodgers remains healthy and plays another 5+ years we'll probably lose both Tolzien and Hundley, unless Tolzien is satisfied to remain as the permanent backup to Rodgers. If I was the GM of another NFL franchise I'd be looking to build my team around Hundley versus Tolzien. I realize it was only pre-season but Hundley looked liked he belongs out there, especially during the Eagles and Saints games. Plus he's younger than Tolzien, more mobile, throws wells and has plenty of upside for a team in a rebuilding mode. I hope the Packers can hold onto him but I don't see how that can happen over the long term. Thanks, Since '61
MarkinMadison
September 05, 2015 at 08:35 am
Right now I don't see much touch on Hundley's throws. I saw him lay Cobb out on the sideline. I've seen plays where his timing is off. At a minimum, he is not polished. I think NFL defenses would feast on him.
This is not the mediocre offense that Brett Favre came off the bench and led to victory with guts and creativity. This is a mature, fully developed offense. One with weapons (even with Jordy out). So unless the offense continues to be banged up all season (a distinct possibility) it would be silly to expect Hundley to outperform Tolzien this year.
Next year is a different story.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 05, 2015 at 08:38 am
Timely article, Corey. There has been some irrational exuberance regarding Hundley, who is a nice looking developmental QB. Few rookie QBs outside of the first rounders can lead a team. Tolzien should be the back up IMO. That doesn't mean Hundley won't challenge Tolzien, maybe even late this season, but more likely next season. For QBs, success is due to what is between the ears, supported by innate intelligence perhaps but sharpened by experience and film study.
lou
September 05, 2015 at 10:08 am
Yes it would be irraltionall not to look at Rodgers, Tolzien, and then Hundley as the Packers QB plan in that order for 2015. However, the exuberance generated by Hundley's performance is justified. His ability to pass and run are obvious even at practice but his ability to command the huddle and also run the no huddle as well without a single delay of game no matter the first or second string lines up with him was amazing for the little time he has had in the system. Add to that his pocket presence and running as the last resort along with his success in the red zone and fans have to be EXHUBERANT, we have not seen anything like it before (the combination of talent and leadership) for a first year QB in Green Bay. Just think what be can become as he is developed, compared to Harrell and Coleman.
barutanseijin
September 05, 2015 at 11:22 am
By the same token, the Tolzein luv is not exactly rational either. I thought he was pretty crappy in 2013, reminding me of nothing do much as a.Bear QB. I'm sure Tolzein can hand the ball of to the RB in garbage time. Beyond that, I don't know.
hybridauth_Facebook_100000663083241
September 05, 2015 at 10:31 am
Hundley will be next years # 2 or he will be trade bait...he has looked good in all of his Preseason work.
egbertsouse
September 05, 2015 at 11:04 am
I'm a WI alum so I lean toward Tolzien but he had one good game and hasn't shown that much since. yes, he's leaps and bounds above the mediocre QB we used to watch in Bielema's stone-age passing offense at UW, but that INT in the red zone has me wondering again. I know that everyone is blaming White but I always hold the QB accountable for picks.
Since'61
September 05, 2015 at 12:17 pm
I understand your point about holding a QB accountable for picks but I think that always is too harsh in many circumstances. I hold the QB accountable for his decision making not necessarily the results of every throw. For example, the QB can make a good throw and have it go off the hands of his receiver and be picked by a defender. This happened to A. Rodgers at least twice maybe 3 times in 2014. A pass may be tipped by a DL and picked off or the intended receiver may slip and fall as the QB releases the ball and the defender has an open run at a pick. Personally I do not consider those and some other picks as the QB's fault. Throwing it up for grabs or into double/triple coverage or misreading the defense, yes these are the QB's fault. I look at a young QB's decision making and how he reads progressions as part of the evaluation of a QB's performance. In that respect I believe that both Tolzien and Hundley performed very well during this preseason. Thanks, Since '61