“The thing that the Packers desperately NEED is a win-above-all-else culture”.

If, after 7 years as head coach in Green Bay, the author does not believe MLF has as yet instilled a win above all else culture, how can he possibly be advocating extending MLF under any circumstances?

MLF is no beautiful mystery to Packer management, they know exactly who he is by now as do Packer fans and CheeseheadTV authors — he is the guy who failed to instill a win-above-all-else culture.

Pretending that culture will somehow change in years 8, 9, or 10 of MLF’s tenure in GB will be a real challenge for both Packer management and CheeseheadTV writers.

It is true that MLF cannot expect to be given 100 million over 4-5 years. No contending team would agree to it based on his recurring losses.

And, a contending team would not likely retain Gutekunst either-the weak trenches , and bare CB room are his.

What I see is politics and favoritism for one guy who has equally failed, just differently.
Policy had all year to do the right thing. They both needed to go.

It's clear Ed Policy is taking the time needed to make the right decision as to what's the proper course of action to follow.

With his background, expecting him to make as impactful a decision he's facing in anything but a measured, rational manner isn't reality.

Whatever path he forsees as the best one for the Packers, he deserves fan's perseverance and faith that he'll make the best reasonable decision expected from the President of the organization as possible.

He's done nothing to earn any measure of skepticism and a lot to earn a measure of reservation from fans.

Green Bay was never intended to be
" the School of Hard Knocks".
The packers have always been about
inspiring football, players who have talent,
and one of the most effective teams in the NFL.

The ideal of trading MLF for picks would be great,
if we had a gm who could make the most of them.
But he hasn't.

Gute's high turn-over rate; would compromise any coach
and staff.
And he has changed the direction of drafted players.
While dumpster diving, often for replacements.

MLF deserves a ton of Praise,
just for playing the hand he's dealt.
The change in QBs is just another credit.
While remaining loyal ,and ignoring noise.

Trading MLF is unacceptable.
Let's trade Gute instead.

It may be best for the Packers and LaFleur for him to move on.
The hesitation seems to be further confirmation.
Let's start afresh in Green Bay with a new head coach.

Who does GB have in mind?

With steely eyes, Packer fans look coldly on tough choices ahead. Whether to grit their granite hard teeth and swallow another year of maybe, could be wannabe or to hone their pitchforks, light their torches and stomp their hobnail boots towards an auto da fe of all who have failed them, coaches, players and staff who lack the hardness of heart to make the difficult decisions which they can toast with the toughest of beverages from the grittiest of bars and man-caves.

"The Packers blew an 11-point lead........"
It was a 12 point lead.....just sayin.
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So, according to this article, MLF is in line for a raise of 60 - 90%.
Really?

End the season with 5 straight losses, and get embarrassed on a National level in the 2nd half of a playoff game, and then sign him to multi generational wealth courtesy of a huge raise.
Hmmmm......

I look at MLF, after post Rodgers.
Remember......Rodgers was THEE problem back then, according to a lot you here.
So now what?
MLF had better success with Rodgers.

So, he's 1-3 in the playoffs, post Rodgers.
To me, in totality he hasn't gotten it done.
Not to mention keeping Bisaccia in the fold, despite bad results.
One could argue, Bisaccia hasn't gotten the personnel to field a better special teams unit, but that enters another issue with the team.

The risk here for Ed Policy if he keeps Gute and Lafluer...
Is that, if the team fails, or doesn't advance of where it is now, that would mean wasted years, and possibly a closed window..
Not how you want to start your legacy as the Packers President.
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"If Policy does decide to trade LaFleur, how does he do it by not tearing apart the locker room?"

Hmmm....
If Policy did retain MLF (which i think he will), i'd like to think that disrupting the locker room wasn't a key factor in that decision.
These are grown ass men, if they get a new coach, there is no crying in football.

Unless of course you are Rashan Gary on draft day, and when they called your name, you realized.....you won the lottery, and blubbered like a new born.

This entire mess is the result of Mark Murphy, his choices of an 'adequate' HC/GM & very little supervision of said pair. Policy had the opportunity to clear it all out by seeking outside, competent advice, interviewing the best and brightest (like teams are doing now) and restoring what Murphy plundered-competent GM in charge of football ops-

So if the packers are offering 2 years and he wants 5, then the gap is 150% at least of the Packers offer. That is a vast difference.

Looking at this for a sense of perspective. The average HC pay is around 7 million, the average coordinator around 2 million and the rest probably add up to about 4. Let’s assume the Packers are not super cheap. That’s an annual coaching spend of about 16 million.

If the Packers offer 7 million per annum to LaFleur then the difference in position is 21 million. If they offer 10 it’s 30 million, do some there between one and 2 years of the entire coaching budget. If, as suggested, the Packers are significantly cheap, maybe more. If LaFleur wants 13 million, it’s 3 years.

That’s a fairly significant gap in positions. Trades take a party willing to buy him to prevent him hitting the market. For that to happen. They’ve got to believe he’s in much wider demand and really want him. I’ve no idea if that’s true, but by now both sides should.

Teams will start to get impatient. They will not want to be left with diminishing options, so things will have to start moving. He and we also have that urgency too.

Overall, my take is that LaFleurs demands as suggested overreach his record and that the team had pretty much agreed, but is also displaying a lack of confidence in itself to do better. I don’t feel this is a great background for an extended relationship and the degree of concession required of both sides suggests one or maybe both parties will leave aggrieved.

My take away is that this has been horribly handled. I hope I am wrong. There still time to show me wrong on that though outcome, but that is by no means certain, perhaps not even probable.

I don’t want him back. For many reasons I do not see him being a winner and I do not see him changing. However, the worst outcome is a disgruntled coach and a team and staff that knows we don’t fully trust our own choice. Darkening times may be much closer than we feared.

I think what this all boils down to is another year, same bullshit.

"Remember, Micah Parsons has said that LaFleur was a key reason he joined the Packers."

No, I don't recall that. I do recall him saying the guys in the Packer locker room were the best group he had been around...IE a better locker room than the Cowboys.

I don't think LaFleur even talked to Parsons until after Gutey completed the deal.

The "team first" Micah would obviously praise his new HC. I know he praised Hafley too. I think there were 210,000,000 other more important keys why he will play for the Packers regardless of who his HC or DC is.

LeFleur has a winning record, he has the locker room, and he is a “brilliant offensive mind”, as he's endlessly been labeled throughout his tenure. Even if all of that were true — and much of it is debatable — it is still not a sufficient reason to retain him, because of what I believe is his most serious and disqualifying failure: his persistent inability to outcoach opponents in crunch time. When "It is time!"

He lacks an essential quality that every effective leader must have — the capacity for quick, intelligent, decisive decision-making when the stakes are highest. Under pressure, he does not steady himself; he drifts. Some people instinctively take command in critical moments. Others hesitate, spiral, and become trapped in their own indecision. LeFleur has shown again and again, in unmistakable fashion, that he is firmly in the latter group. This is not a flaw that coaching or experience will cure. It is simply who he is.

And yet, this morning’s report says the delay exists because the Packers are working to retain both LeFleur and Gute. If that is correct, it simply confirms that three people ought to be replaced in Green Bay — LeFleur, Gute, and Policy — though whether that will actually happen, even if these new contracts prove to be catastrophic misjudgments, is anyone’s guess in what some agents now openly describe as a “mom and pop organization” in Green Bay.

I think what some people here--and Cory--aren't getting is that Policy HAS made a decision: he wants to retain LaF. We've spent plenty of time over the last week hitting the topic of whether or not this is a wise choice, I don't want to bog down in that. There wouldn't be this "negotiation" going on if he hadn't made that decision, but a negotiation implies there's not an easily-reached common ground on duration or financials. CW hits that above.

Cory's insinuation that the Packers will just trade LaF if they can't quickly come to an agreement on an extension seems--usurprisingly--overly simplistic.
First off, coaches just aren't traded very often. We can come up with about half a dozen instances in the Super Bowl era, and in most cases they are coaches that either are--or end up--much higher profile than LaF.
Secondly, the Packers are already demonstrating that his contract demands seem to not be in line with his value to the team. I'd argue this weakens his demand although the Packers are notoriously "frugal" and this might be less of a deterrent to other teams.
Third, there has to be a landing spot that makes sense at a level of compensation both teams can agree on. What does LaF offer for his price point to a team? Another team would need to offer pick(s) and still give LaF a high $$ contract. Is he a finishing piece?...if he was, the Packers would still be playing. Is he someone who is a builder and can develop a QB and a young roster? If the Packers move to trade, what do they want in return? I don't see any way they get a first round pick for him, especially from the teams mentioned because they're picking so early. On top of that, a SB winning coach like Holmgren only brought a second.

It could be that there might be the perfect confluence of events with JE Sullivan landing in Miami with a big-money owner, assuming Sullivan has any affinity for LaF. Hell, maybe he's willing to bid on Willis and try to recreate the magic and add in a dynamic runner like De'Von Archane. I see this as way more likely than Atlanta. Tennessee is a wild card, but LaF has a history there, and it may not be a terribly compelling one.

I think this reaches a resolution this week: either LaF and the Packers come to an agreement or they cut him loose. If they reach an agreement, I think some of the assistants are moved out--I don't think the Packers are at much of a disadvantage yet in this regard. I think if he's cut loose he gets signed somewhere and the Packers move on a young assistant/coordinator from a prolific offensive coaching tree (which is what brought LaF to GB in the first place). Not what I'd want, but what I think will happen in terms of succession.

Jeff Hafley has been asked for a second interview w/the Dolphins. Can't imagine he would choose MLF, though he is likely fond of him---Malik Willis, though...

Easy, easyyyyyyy. Now, a small minority might say I ain't as good looking as Coach LaF. But let me remind you all...looks ain't everything. Do you know what is everything...Finishing strong, not starting fast. If the message is Starting Fast and they don't start fast...do they feel conquered already and allow doubt to seep in?

I say Finish Strong, PACKER STRONG (insert new identity here). Some dump on the Gutester and maybe rightfully so...but what about the scouts? Do they get it right more so than not?

I am never embarrassed by a strong PR coach like Coach LaF. But, I prefer to see results in the next couple weeks at least by what is ailing the team. I haven't seen that, I do feel that Coach LaF, maybe some Asst's and also some players feel comfortable, too comfortable with the gut wrenching losses lately. I could be very wrong about this, but with my eyes and limited access to what is said, taught inside 1265...culture, teaching to be accountable are lacking.

I love my Packers and owe many, many moments to them for helping make my growing up years full of great memories and lessons on life as well. I will gladly take a Packer loss than be a fan of a victorious team. That is the short and long game I am on with the Packers.

In closing brothers and sisters, I will turn to Russell Crowe in the Gladiators movie. He shouts to the crowd, "Are you not entertained?" I shout back, YES! (but whisper to the group near me): but it sure would be nice to finish strong).

It will take a cumulative effort form all involved that make up the GBPs. I hope they are up to the task and willing to do what it takes to finish strong (with effort and mental acuity). The results will come once those are addressed.

Being a fan is the easy part, for the most part...until it isn't.

Pantz

*Now, I once read a book in 9th grade that got me the courage to summon up the courage to ask Brooke, a junior lass to the prom. I read the book, "Awaken the Giant Within" by Anthony Robbins. To the new HC or returning Coach LaF: please pass the book out to all on the roster.

Just make a decision, which will be retention, so the support for him can begin, so denial of his previous failures will be stored away, his win percentage bragged aloud, until the failure rears its ugly head again next Dec-Jan.

It seems Uncle Ed decided not to cut off his nose to spite his face right after he ruled against throwing the baby out with the bath water, and just before he remembered to put on his socks after donning his pants. Cory has provided a collection of words containing something for everyone in the car. The gang at 1265 can truly say they are fiscally responsible when it comes to coaching investments. That's important to them, but I don't think they're nibble enough to consider a trade. Who knows?

Uncle Ed wants to spend a little to see if Matt can not me Matt. Matt wants to be compensated at a level he does not deserve. I wish the Packers would cut the cord. I don't see that happening yet.

Reports this morning have MLF, Gutey and Policy all together out to dinner last night.

Does not sound like MLF is going anywhere to me, or Gutey for that matter.

I have 2 wishes I hope come true once the negotiations are done: 1 - Policy returns the leadership structure to where it was under Wolf/Thompson, and 2 - MLF agrees to clean out a good portion of his staff and hire new faces. Faces with playoff experience and that can be expected to add some toughness to the team.

If Hafley goes to the Dolphins----no MLF, please.

"The Falcons and the Titans both make appealing landing spots for LaFleur." Hell, yes! Here we have two franchises with QBs that need development, and MLF has shown he can do that successfully. He would be a hero if he could get either one of these teams to the playoffs, never mind what happens once he gets there.

I'll take any reasonable draft compensation I can get to help solidify our trenches on both sides of the ball.

Nothing will change, everyone will be extended. The BOD congratulates Policy for doing such a good job.

Nothing changes for 3-4 years of mediocrity, and the fans revolt by booing at home games, boycotting games, bags on heads, upsetting some of the BOD and sealing Policy's fate and that of Gutekunst & MLF.

A new President will bring in new people, starting a rebuild, and turning things around.

This is a pretty predictable outcome.

The press conference introducing LaFleur and Gutekunst with their glossy new contracts is likely to be excruciating to watch — a choreographed corporate infomercial masquerading as accountability. LaFleur has never come across as remotely self-aware or particularly quick on his feet, and the clichés will spill out of him like lines he’s been rehearsing in the mirror all week.

And for the Packer faithful, the real punishment begins now — a long, dreary off-season with the sinking feeling that nothing will change and they’re trapped with the same act for years.

The Tyranny of mediocre men-Policy, Gute, MLF and Murphy have held this franchise hostage and will do so again-x 3-4 more years.

The fact that the negotiations are still dragging in tells me that the Packers may have considered the fact that they will part ways with MLF. This also tells me that they must have a list of candidates that they are prepared to consider and interview. Therefore I am holding out hope that the Packers will move on from MLF.
If the happens hopefully they will also move on from Gute and start with a clean slate for 2026. Thanks, Since '61

If we had known when he was hired where we would be now, would we have hired him? I hope not.

So why we are even seriously contemplating extending him is even less excusable. This team is digging a hell of a hole and, I suspect, completely lost in a self-reinforcing bubble of sky-high self belief in the face of the evidence.

In the last week, all I see is increasing signs that recovery will take a clean out of the whole leadership: Policy, LaFleur, Gute and Ball, at the very least. They are building a pressure cooker that and blocking the vents. It’s just a matter of time before that explodes.

I think they had a deal signed and in the books last Monday with MLF and Gute and are just sitting on it for however long it takes for the mob to cool off and move onto other important things in their lives before making an announcement. Had they come out with it early last week, there would have been a backlash they didn't want to have to navigate through. It's just a great, big standoff with the fans. I suspect they will break the news within the next 2-3 days rather unceremoniously, let us stew/celebrate amongst ourselves and move forward. You will probably see maybe one or two assistants get scapegoated as mere meat for the angry fans to chew on to shut them up. However, this will be a rather silent push forward into the doldrums of the status quo.

In light of the current idiocy of a management team that is apparently about to double down — and double the salaries — of its own failure, I’ve decided it’s time for citizen action.

I realize — and fully respect — that the Green Bay Packers are a publicly held corporation and therefore cannot be “sold.”

That said, I’ve decided to proceed anyway.

I am quietly putting together an ownership group to acquire the Packers — while keeping them publicly held, as God, Curly Lambeau, and every share certificate framed in a Wisconsin rec room intended. Think of it as a hostile takeover wrapped in Midwestern civility.

To that end, I’m putting out feelers to potential partners for my acquisition. The criteria are simple and non-negotiable:

• You must have been born in Wisconsin.
• You must have been a Packer fan for at least ten years.
• You must be worth at least $500 million.

I will be transparent: I personally do not meet that last requirement. But this is my idea, and I am the entrepreneurial visionary organizing this transaction, so I am granting myself an exemption. Vision counts.

I suspect the team will cost north of a billion dollars, but rest assured: we will continue to allow Wisconsin grocers, teachers, bartenders, dairy farmers, snowplow drivers, Culver’s employees, and anyone who has ever tailgated in a blizzard at Lambeau to buy shares — so we will still be considered “publicly held,” just… under new management.

In fact, we will lean into tradition: annual share meetings in Green Bay, hot chocolate in December, brats on the grill, a mandatory Friday night fish fry before every major vote, and a standing acknowledgement that Wisconsin road construction season is, as always, eternal.

If you meet the above qualifications — and, more importantly, have the money — please contact me at ImBuyingThePackers.org.

Please don’t forget to send your most recent bank statement. For verification purposes only, of course. Bonus points if it was printed at a bank in Green Bay, Madison, Milwaukee, or anywhere along Highway 41.

P.S. Ability to correctly pronounce “Oconomowoc,” “Ashwaubenon,” “Sheboygan,” “Wauwatosa,” and “Kohler” will be viewed favorably — as will proof that you’ve once scraped ice off your car after a night game at Lambeau, or proudly posed with a freshly caught Lake Winnebago walleye.

Don't be afraid to follow the bread crumbs...it may lead you to the messy eater.

I am in Sales. Negotiation is an art form. Allow the dance to unfold.

Speaking of dancing...my twin brother is addicted to line dancing. We are thinking of an intervention which hopefully leads to an above board Two Step program.

Wish us luck...,

PB

Mike Holmgren; Who went to two Super Bowls and won one only cost the Seahawks a 2nd round pick. To expect anything higher than a 3rd for LaFleur would be fantasy.