Gut Reactions: Week 16 vs Arizona

Aaron's gut reactions from the Packers loss to the Cardinals

  • What an absolute fucking embarrassment. 
  • Aaron Rodgers killed them early and then Mike McCarthy took over killing them later. 
  • So much hubris on the top end of this team. 
  • TJ Lang yelling at Rodgers after another wasted throw to Adams might be the image of the season. 
  • Have at it in the comments section. 
  • There isn't enough alcohol in the world right now. 
  • Go Pack. 
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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

December 27, 2015 at 06:53 pm

Two words.... Regime change.

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Nerd's picture

December 27, 2015 at 06:57 pm

Is the problem Aaron rebelling against Mike? Or has Mike just suddenly become less competent than usual?

The issue with Lang could be interpreted as Lang trying to get Aaron to conform to the game plan/play that has been called. Or, maybe he was just getting down on Davante.

Clearly there is dissention between QB and coach. I tend to come down on the side of the coach. Mike's not perfect, but he's not THIS bad.

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:06 pm

Rodgers is frustrated for one reason. No WR is helpingh him. They can't get open, they can't catch the ball. Hell Rodgers is the only one among the passing attack that seems to be trying. Adams is a disaster, Abbrederis dropped one, R. Rodgers can catch but can't run or break a tackle.

OL does nothing for him. Granted backup OT's but they were turnstiles. No help there.

Rodgers tries to throw into coverage to make a play and Jones watches the DB get an INT. Little effort by someone in the passing game and someone makes a play of any sort and both are happy.

Bunch of conspiracy theory crap is all your trying to stir up.

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Nerd's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:06 pm

Aaron hasn't exactly been on target this year.

Are you saying that Tom Clements was a good play caller?

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:37 pm

How can he be on target? Adams runs terrible routes and can't catch a cold. Jones he trusts, maybe too much, but no choice. Abbrederis drops a sure 1st down.

At least I can rest comfortably in the knowledge Thompson will not make a fatal mistake and over react to one season gone awry (even tho they are in the playoffs).

When did I say a thing about Clements?

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Oppy's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:13 pm

That throw to Jones in the endzone was a HORRIBLE throw. Rodgers has to put that out in front of the WR to the corner of the endzone, where the WR can go get it with his step ahead of the defender... Instead, he threw it so the defender was in between the point of release and the intended receiver.

Yes, the WR's haven't helped Rodgers at all this year. Yes, Aaron Rodgers is playing sub-par football right now. He IS off.

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Idiot Fan's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:26 pm

Absolutely. Third and four, receiver runs an out and is open, Rodgers sails it four feet over his head. He NEVER used to do that.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:36 pm

Exactly. I remember that play and was thinking he never has done that. Has to be an imposter.

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:52 pm

Yeah it was a bad decision. Don't totally disagree. But how many earlier in the year were complaining Rodgers won't throw into coverage? So now he feels he has to do it to try to make a play and everyone is criticizing him for it. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I don't think he's off, as much as I think he feels he has to try to do something and hope the WR help him out a little. And its no wonder its in Jones direction.

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:11 pm

Can we please stop with that 'WRs are not getting open and nobody is helping Rodgers' nonsense? It simply is not true. It's a myth that is constantly repeated by announcers, even if the screen in front of their (and our) faces show open receivers. But if #12 constantly overthrows WRs, or throws behind receivers on crossing patterns and hence kills the drive, that is never mentioned. This season he is not playing as he did the last few seasons. Whether that is already natural decline, or whether something else is wrong with him, I don't know. And I am not Demovsky and will speculate, but something is wrong with the QB, and it may be time to work on that as coaches.

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:41 pm

Why stop? Its farmore true than Rodgers can't throw accurately. Jones covered all the time. Adams? Yeah he can't get open either. Abbrederis sometimes but then as he's gaining some playing time has a terrible drop. Cobb is getting all the attention that Jordy used to command and now he can't get open.

I watch the same games you do. Not my fault if you thing a CB in the WR hip pocket is open. He's not.

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:56 pm

Sure. Except for if you throw the ball behind the WR so that he has no chance to make the play and then complain, then he is not open. If you throw it in his front so that he can either catch it, or nobody will, then he is open in the NFL. Plain and simple. Rodgers is not throwing accurately this season. Or is a 57% accuracy percentage since game 6 accurate? Heck, even Cutler has a higher one.

And it is asinine by announcers to say 'no WRs are open and they cannot get open', and the replay right at that time shows Cobb and nobody within 5 yards, or shows a throw that is 8 yards over the head of the WR. For a couple of the offside penalties, if Rodgers throws to the right guy it'd have been touchdowns. But he simply threw those up into no-mans land.

You know, he likes to call out young players for too many video games, and likes to take thinly veiled shots at McC etc, but every time I open my laptop and get re-directed out of my email account to yahoo.com, I am seeing a new video he has put together with his girl-friend, or that he has taken up sword-fighting with her, etc. Great for him, but I am not sure that is the best preparation for a professional athlete during the season. Whether that has something to do with his recent struggles, or whether there are other reasons, I don't know and I do not want to speculate, as I am not McGinn or Demovsky, but he has not played very well this season, and that is a fact. And if one plays the most important position on O, and is paid like a superstar, then he better starts playing like one.

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croatpackfan's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:24 am

Thank you Packer Pete. I made that claim about Aaron twice here and was attacked from many fans. I have to say that Packers OL did not play well (anyone missing David Bakhtiari? You now, that player who is just bust on the LT? Bust by many of "experts" here!) and that there I see no QB who will play much better than Aaron in the last game, but when he has the chance he is underthrowing or overthrowing or his passes is to far away from WR or they are behind them. There was few throws on the right target. One of them is that throw to Adams for TD. We saw at least 5 to 6 occasions were James Jones was overrun CB, but throw is out of bounds or way overthrown, or, in the end zone underthrown for pick! Somebody mention that Abby dropped one pass (catch another!), but there was no drop from Abby. That was ball thrown to much in front of him. The ball was not on target.
Do I think Scott would play better? I do not think so! But it can help to calm down Aaron, to gave him a chance to come together. It is no relevance who is losing games, when you are losing.
Also that concussion issue from Denver game - hey people! Do not say
impossible things. Concussion would heal in 2 to 3 week mostly. If not it would be just more severe. That would be something that can't be overlooked. But, possibility that hits starts to go into the Aaron head? That is something I would consider as possibility!
I still believe in this team. They need one f*cking game to put together to turn the page and become again well balanced team.
I thought Nate Palmer will be OK in ILB, but after yesterday I can say that he does not understand logic of the game.
Eddie played injured (ribs - you might saw him covering his ribs with his hand several times) with the worst injury for the running back.
Crockett did not show much, but with the OL Packers had yesterday neither could.
I think James Starks is done. After this season he will be left to go... And I'm not sure that all those fumbles should be accounted just to him. I see that fumbles as result of trying to do way to much!
Anyhow, I believe Packers may surprise us as at so many times in their seasons...
But Aaron is problem. Definitely! To be honest is the best problem we might have. It is just one player, who we know how excellent he can be!

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D.D.Driver's picture

December 27, 2015 at 11:08 pm

Agreed. How many times have we heard the announcer say "nobody is open!" And they show the replay and two wideouts are waving their hands over their heads because they are *wide open*?

Something is wrong with Rodgers and it isn't just his wide outs. The optimist in me likes to think if Rodgers gets his head on straight, the Packers can still turn this season around.

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NickPerry's picture

December 28, 2015 at 07:17 am

@Packers_Pete... Rodgers has gone too Hollywood. Spending to much time with Olivia, making commercials, taking pictures for Twitter and IG. Obviously I don't believe that COMPLETELY, but I'd bet it has something to do with it. When you hear over and over and over that you're the best, maybe the best to play the position EVER, working on his craft might take a backseat. Whatever it is I hope he fixes it by next season because this season is going to be over in 2 weeks, at least that's my guess. MAN that SUCKS!

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jyros's picture

December 29, 2015 at 02:41 pm

Obi wan kenobi is outta touch with the force.

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FrozenTundra's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:17 pm

It's hard to make a good throw when you're on your back with your helment knocked off.

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Nerd's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:43 pm

Maybe he should try to get the ball out in under 8 seconds. I mean, you've got Barclay defending your blind side.

You're either going to give up 9 sacks, or you're going to draw a dozen holding penalties. Oops! We did both today.

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dschwalm's picture

December 29, 2015 at 02:30 pm

Yes he is, Nerd because he just simply can't adjust enough to give his players an opportunity to win. The cardinals game was a graphic illustration of this, and yes, I do think there is a disconnect between MM and TT!!!

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Idiot Fan's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:11 pm

I understand the emotion behind this, but let's not be ridiculous. This regime has 7 straight playoff appearances, one SuperBowl, and led the league in points LAST YEAR. Firing them after being 10-5 but not as good as we would like is the path that bad organizations take to constant, repeated failure.

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Oppy's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:13 pm

This. Right here. All day long.

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newrulz1951's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:16 pm

The Packers have 1 title to show for McCarthy's tenure. His teams have underachieved, every year except 1. Division titles are meaningless.

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:49 pm

You can have an opinion, doesn't mean much. At least I can rest comfortably in the knowledge Thompson wont make the fatal mistake of firing a very good HC.

Holmgren had one SB and alot of division titles, but people act like he's the chosen one.

Last I checked, winning division titles is the surest way to get into the SB tournament. So I don't consider them meaningless in the least. If you lived thru the 70's and 80's you might have a little better prespective.

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D.D.Driver's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:07 am

"The Packers have 1 title to show for McCarthy's tenure."

There is only ONE TEAM that has won multiple championships while McCarthy has been coach. (It's not the Patriots by the way.)

Here's my theory. You may want to sit down for this because its a Bruce-Willis-Was-Dead-The-Whole-Time style doozy: winning the Super Bowl is really freaking hard.

The entire system is designed to make sure good teams get bad and bad teams get good. Weird shit happens. One crazy helmet-catch or fluke on sides kick recovery, and your season is over.

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NickPerry's picture

December 28, 2015 at 07:23 am

I wouldn't say meaningless, but when you go one and done as often as McCarthy has and if the Packers do the same this year, then I'd say they've underachieved. If they go one and done this year that would make 4. In 2012 they played the Joe Webb lead Vikings and then were demolished in SF so can you even count that? Take away the 2010 season and MM Playoff record Sucks. Many coaches have been fired sooner, especially if you have a QB like Rodgers.

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Oppy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:43 pm

Take away my Grandpa's wiener and he'd be my Grandma.

Also, please name the many coaches that have been fired sooner (for similar performance), and then, please indulge my curiosity as to how those many franchises who had similar results as the Packers under MM but fired their HC anyways- how did their franchises fair after canning the head coaches over the same duration of time that MM has been at the helm for GB?

I don't know the answer, but I'm guessing the Packers have done better.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:07 am

Remember when Doug Collins coached the Jordan era Bulls? They'd have a winning record and go to the playoffs every year. When they canned Collins I thought, wow, harsh. But it was absolutely the right move.

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:37 pm

Different sport. In the NBA, the players run the asylum and the HC placate the franchise player. Complete apples to oranges comparison.

But if you want to try to extend that comparison, how bout the Spurs. Franchise player in Duncan and they've had the HC since "96. That seems to be the best comparison since SA actually plays team basketball, not one on one on one on one...

I suppose you think they should have fired Popovich when he went 7 yrs w/o another title?

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Bryce Hansen's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:04 pm

Dude get real.

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Amanofthenorth's picture

December 27, 2015 at 10:40 pm

I'd say that too if I were a lions, bears or Viking's fan. Regime change is what losing teams do.

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Nerd's picture

December 27, 2015 at 06:54 pm

They used to only do this for 2 quarters out of every game and I would complain about that. Everyone said it was ok, because they would still usually win.

This is why it's not ok to play like that, even if you win.

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Oppy's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:02 pm

it looked like Lang mouthed something to the effect of "Why did you throw it to HIM?" but I'm no expert lip reader.

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Oppy's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:14 pm

Whoops, thought I replied to your comment above.

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Phillthy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:33 am

It did look like he asked him why Aaron threw at Davante but I'm assuming it was probably a designed run and Rodgers opted out. Looked that way to me.

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Bryce Hansen's picture

December 28, 2015 at 07:55 am

Guys this is all my fault. I forgot to drink outta my lucky packers mug yesterday.

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Idiot Fan's picture

December 27, 2015 at 06:55 pm

This is the worst I've ever seen Rodgers play. I really have no idea what's happened to him this year. Also, the oline came out of camp banged up, and they've only gone downhill from there. Personally, I think those two things are killing us more than the receivers. Though the receivers are doing their share too.

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

December 27, 2015 at 06:56 pm

They were actually open more this week. Bit he only looked to Jones.

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bjkdad44's picture

December 28, 2015 at 12:06 am

That's the best explanation I've seen...

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bjkdad44's picture

December 28, 2015 at 12:06 am

That's the best explanation I've seen...

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 06:58 pm

Would it be crazy to think Rodgers has been concussed since the Broncos game?

Like, how else can you explain his play as of late?

Not only do people question his play but his demeanor during the game as well.

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Nerd's picture

December 27, 2015 at 06:59 pm

What it seems to me is that, Aaron is disrespecting Mike and not following the game plan or "getting with the program."

When Mike named Tom as play caller, it seemed to me that Mike was caving into Aaron, as Tom is Aaron's yesman. Well, that didn't work out too well. But it seems that Aaron may still want the keys to the franchise.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:08 pm

I don't know enough to comment on that. But something extra has to be going on behind closed doors.

I just finished watching the presser and it was the same ol same ol from McCarthy and Rodgers. I don't know if I have any more criticism left in me for this team that hasn't been said a thousand times already.

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Razer's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:35 pm

Can't seem to find the post game press conference on Packers.com. Are they too embarrassed to even speak to us or does MM want to keep the negativity to a minimum?

Where did you find it?

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:43 pm

I watched it live on the Pack's website. They might not have uploaded it to their site yet.

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AngryPackersFan's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:02 pm

I keep thinking the same thing. I'm positive he had a concussion tonight, whether or not they acknowledge it. Did you see his head hit Bulaga's (I think it was Bulaga) knee? Or his head crashing into the ground on some of those sacks? Or some of the hits to the head. GUARANTEE Rodgers has a concussion right now.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:05 pm

You're talking about the Broncos game, right?

If so, hell yea. The hit itself didn't look bad at all, but Rodgers stayed down for a while wincing.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:48 am

Not sure, but I remember AR getting sacked and hitting his head on a OL's knee against AZ. Be that as it may, I certainly have no idea whether AR has or had a concussion, and given the protocols, though they are not infallible, have to assume that he does not. Looked okay to my inexpert eyes during his presser.

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Dilahk Sivad's picture

December 27, 2015 at 06:56 pm

Good for Lang.. Somebody needs to yell at Rodgers.. have no idea what he's doing this year.. It's like he's completely lost sometimes.. On to the Vikings *sips jack*

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Nerd's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:02 pm

It seems to be that Aaron thinks he knows better than Mike what the team should be doing. It also seems that Aaron is intent on doing his own thing, rather than doing what the coach tells him to do.

For example, the comments by Lang could be interpreted that Aaron is not running the plays that are being called.

It also seemed to me that Mike tried to pull Aaron out of the game. Tolzien started warming up, but then Aaron went back out there for another drive or two. What's up with that? Is Aaron defying Mike's authority? Is that why this team looks as if it's in disarray?

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Samson's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:07 pm

AR needs to focus strictly on playing QB. --- Right now he seems to want to be QB, HC, WR's coach and game official - referee.

And I thought BF was out of control way back when.

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MarkinMadison's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:16 pm

When he has his own locker room and has lost touch with his teammates, then he'll be in BF land.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:26 pm

I'm just curious guys, so don't get bitchy with me when I ask this --

Where are you getting these ideas of Rodgers wanting to be above McCarthy and becoming insubordinate?

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 27, 2015 at 10:04 pm

Yeah I don't get that either. So Rodgers is frustrated, and McCarthy is frustrated. So I guess automatically they are frustrated w/ each other? Don't see that at all.

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dschwalm's picture

December 29, 2015 at 02:38 pm

Wow, Samson, You're making huge assumptions when you have no clear evidence

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jbromusic's picture

December 27, 2015 at 06:57 pm

i've never been a "fire ted thompson" guy but i'm beginning to think that it might be time for a GM change. i still think mccarthy is a very good (not great, but very good) coach. i don't think we have very good talent on this team right now

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:01 pm

Regime change

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jbromusic's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:05 pm

who would you get to replace mccarthy?

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:08 pm

There will be a nice pool of candidates soon. Coaches/leaders get stale. Fresh start. Now.

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:09 pm

BTW. I've been an MM fan up until this year. Tine for a change.

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:12 pm

Dellusional if you think that retreads that have already failed are better than McCarthy. They would get much worse almost w/o a question.

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Samson's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:15 pm

Once again --- Stroh's got it all figured out. --- Many retreads have been a success the 2nd or even 3rd time around.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:38 pm

Yeah, like Ariens and his group of retreads, not that they don't have a lot more talent at hand and a GM who plays the whole field to get it.

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:46 pm

Or a young guy ready to step up??

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chugwater's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:10 am

We can all cherry pick a Bill Belichek or Pete Carroll as an example of successful second acts. But for every one of those there's a dozen Rich Kotites or Jim Caldwells.

First it was MM needs to take back play calling. Well that didn't quite fix our issues. Next we have to trade for Vernon Davis. A quick look at his production at DEN shows he wasn't the answer either. Now it's get rid of the coaching staff/GM. What will your next solution be when that doesn't work?

We are a spoiled, impatient fan base.

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 27, 2015 at 10:08 pm

Didn't say I have it all figured out. But I'm certainly not ready to scrap a damn good thing either.

So the got beat, clean, fair square no questions in 2 games this year. Denver and AZ, I guess we should throw in the towel and start over.

Screw that. If you wanna go way overboard w/ that reaction thats up to you. This time last year, the offense was #1 in the NFL and they lost a major piece to an injury.

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some_guy's picture

December 29, 2015 at 02:37 pm

Not sure what stat sheet you're looking at but we've actually lost 5 games. Or is this more of that "well see but some of those losses don't count because they were on the last play of the game" complacency that they announcers were telling us MM has been spreading? If you want to play that game, then with SD and the 2nd DET game, we're a couple plays from being 8-7. That's without even getting into the other games where we won despite playing like shit (ie. Carr gifting us 14 points against Oakland).

I'm not a fan of making change just for its own sake. I think if we get rid of MM, whoever we get next will almost certainly not be as good. But if MM is going around the building telling his players that everything's fine and close losses don't count, that's different. Doesn't matter how good he *could* be if he's going around telling his players that some games are ok to lose.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:29 pm

NE made a really dumb hire with Belichick after he racked up all those losses in Cleveland. Just another retread.

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kildahljb's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:46 pm

Josh McDaniels. He commands Brady's respect. Would bring a completely different system for 12 to learn. He sounds like he's learned from his time in Denver.

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:17 pm

Actually, all Belichick coaches have been colossal disasters as HCs everywhere. Charlie Weis? Romeo Crennel? Remember 'Mangenius' Eric Mangini? McDaniels... The list goes on. Maybe McDaniels has learned. Maybe not. How long are you willing to give him a chance? By the time McDaniels is done #12s career will be over, probably no other title to show for it, and the team will then be in 'rebuilding' mode.
No, this team is now in the playoffs for 7 years in a row. Not many other teams can show that...

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tm_inter's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:27 pm

Josh McDaniels flunked as headcoach in Denver. Wouldn't want him to replace MM as headcoach - maybe as play-caller if he would come to Green Bay.

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Packisback988's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:48 pm

As Belichick would say, the players are the ones who play the game, but curious to see how Belichick would of done without Brady.

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Since'61's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:04 pm

We already know that Belichick is a below .500 coach before Tom Brady, so I think we have the answer to that question. Thanks, Since '61

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badaxed's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:25 pm

Gruden

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jbromusic's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:15 pm

i didn't know gruden was still coaching in the nfl

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dschwalm's picture

December 29, 2015 at 02:39 pm

What a dumb question. Do you actually know who all the available candidates there are?

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Mags's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:56 pm

On the post game interview with Larry McCarren, McCarthy mentioned "basic fundamentals " again this guy is delusional.

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Oppy's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:32 pm

What if it's truly a situation where the players aren't playing the correct techniques and fundamentals of the game, what if the players really are just playing sloppy football on gameday?

Would you be happier if MM lied and said it was something else?

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Mags's picture

December 28, 2015 at 02:09 am

It's the fuckin end of the season they shouldn't be talking about fundamentals. And if McCarthy truly believes that's the case then that's on him and his assistant coaches. Fundamentals is something that should be taken care of in training camp not now. Same old excuses!

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Tundraboy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 11:59 am

Me too. How can he use that excuse at this stage. It's not preseason. Just once I wish he simply said we stunk today.

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Oppy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 01:35 pm

He did say they stunk, and he did say the buck stops with him.

It's not an excuse if it is a matter of fact.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:38 pm

Good. That's refreshing

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Oppy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:46 pm

MM takes responsibility a surprisingly high percentage of the time after poor outings for a guy that everyone seems to swear doesn't take any responsibility.

It's crazy what comes out of that man's mouth if you listen to him.

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WKUPackFan's picture

December 29, 2015 at 06:52 am

100% incorrect. Fundamentals are practiced and talked about (by good coaches) throughout the season in all sports at all levels. Bill Buckner probably wishes that the bottom of his glove was the dirtiest part of his uniform.

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dschwalm's picture

December 29, 2015 at 02:42 pm

That's just media speak. MM doesn't know what else to say or how to account for this debacle that is the 2015 season. He is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 27, 2015 at 06:57 pm

Lol. I started rooting for the Cards to score at 24-0. If this team can beat Minny I'll be shocked.

I strongly suspected we'd lose by more than 10 points, but this was WAAAAY worse than I expected.

TT/MM/AR aren't going anywhere and they shouldn't with all they've achieved in the past 10 years. But this team is not capable of winning it all. Some pretty serious changes are needed.

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:08 pm

They already did... On the road in Minn no less. But I guess you forgot that?!

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Tundraboy's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:39 pm

Packers are a shell of that team right now.

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chugwater's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:13 am

Not really. They were sputtering going into that game too.

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dschwalm's picture

December 29, 2015 at 02:44 pm

Just keep sticking your head and intellect up your a*#, but that is waaaay in the past.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:11 pm

They can start with changing the responsibilities of Alex Van Pelt. I don't know what his role should be or if he should even have a role. I just know that the combo QB/WR coaching arrangement is an epic fail.

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Packisback988's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:52 pm

I agree, I highly doubt Van Pelt is doing a great job coaching up the WR group in practice .

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tm_inter's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:34 pm

Joe Philbin did good job for offense before he went to Miami. I would say rehire him to run the Packers' offense again.

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jyros's picture

December 27, 2015 at 11:10 pm

Agreed! QB/WR keeps cropping up as the problem.
MM jumped the gun w/ his consolidation plans.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

December 27, 2015 at 06:58 pm

Meaningless game.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:51 pm

Meaningful game. The Packers played their hearts out and got pummeled. This happens from time to time. No need to panic. They just need to make a few adjustments on offense, and they can run the board.

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cuphound's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:41 pm

You have a more generous interpretation of the commitment of the Packers Offense. In my view, they never had their head in this game.

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ray nichkee's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:42 pm

Maynard picasso is cow trumps, another member of al cow da. Just so you know. A multi headed troll. Hes here to stroke you.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

December 27, 2015 at 06:59 pm

The Packers will roll over the Vikings and claim the North Title. Go Pack Go. And stop your whining and bitching you so-called fans.

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Nerd's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:03 pm

Real fans follower their team passionately and care about how well it performs.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:54 pm

Real fans are only positive and realize it's only a game. Are you calling my passion into question? Maybe you have a misguided passion that shows too much negativity. Maybe our team will rise to the occasion next week. We are blessed to have a winning franchise.

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calabasa's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:14 pm

"Real fans are only positive?"

Fans are people. Real ones who are also occasionally smart and see their favorite team has been chronically underachieving for months. I'm sure you love the Packers as we all do, but it's OK if some of us want more from ARod's tenure than division titles.

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croatpackfan's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:56 am

It is one thing to be realistic about team performing... Another thing is to be jerk who constantly or occasionally wants team to go in rebuilding mode for no reason. To call for changes that have no sense. I suppose those fans are talking about changing of Dom Capers. Look, there is one person who was D coordinator for Cowboys and Saints. Younger Ryan. I'm "certain" he will do better than Dom Capers~!
And who you will want for HC job? I agree that there is a lot of young possible HC, but what if that young fellows will be not good. Another one in the next season? How many seasons you'll accept for finding another great HC for Packers. Will that be considered as "wasted years" for Aaron Rodgers? Or not?
So, fans very often cure their own problems over the team. If you want good for that kind of fans, I suggest to start telling them the truth: Packers winning will not solve their problems, neither Packers losing is the cause of their problems!"

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Samson's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:04 pm

Another North title against the likes of the Bears, Lions & Vikings. -- Oh, boy !!!
Lombardi Trophy s are the only thing that counts.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:55 pm

Two of those teams beat us convincingly. Remember that anything can happen on "Any Given Sunday".

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:19 pm

so you only watch the SB then every season? As the rest is meaningless according to you...

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some_guy's picture

December 29, 2015 at 02:46 pm

Yeah sure man if you don't blindly insist that everything is perfect and our team is the best, always, no matter what, you can't be a real fan. *makes sarcastic jacking-off motion*

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dschwalm's picture

December 29, 2015 at 02:47 pm

Do you promise to show your face next week after that statement, Tyler?

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:00 pm

Ugly...

What was that???

Ugly, ugly, ugly...

The positive... Our long snapper didn't make a mistake...

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Samson's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:01 pm

Another quality opponent. -- Another dismal showing.

This shouldn't be as surprise to anyone.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:01 pm

"TJ Lang yelling at Rodgers after another wasted throw to Adams might be the image of the season."

YES!!!!! There's our T.O.! I always did like Lang. He is never PC and isn't afraid to speak out. I LOVE IT!

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:13 pm

Can Lang yell at McCarthy "Why did you put Adams on the field?"

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:19 pm

Lol, No, you don't show up the Head Coach, man. Ever.

The criticism can only be player-to-player. Why? Because no Offensive player has been consistent this season.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:40 pm

Of course he can't, but Adams is the King of all players who need to be benched for a spell.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:45 pm

I think that call would have to come from Rodgers. Like I heard one of the commentators say about Abby; Rodgers likes him, so his snaps are increasing.

We've seen many posts saying Rodgers doesn't like Janis and we're still wondering when he's going to see snaps.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 27, 2015 at 10:25 pm

No doubt. I knew it was a very bad sign that he played today from the start.

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FITZCORE1252's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:01 pm

Fuck.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:04 pm

Gotta laugh it off dude.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:09 pm

Yep.

Laugh to keep from crying.

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FITZCORE1252's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:21 pm

I was prepared to lose the game, it's just being totally outclassed that pisses me off.

We need to draft a tackle in every round. 8 picks? Draft 8 tackles. Ours either suck or they're always hurt.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:33 pm

Every season is different though. We were awesome in the O-Line area last season. I think TT's plan is backfiring just a little bit when it comes to ILB and the D-Line. But then again, there's only so many picks. TT seemed to hit it big with the first two picks.

I don't even want to talk about next year's draft until this season is over. Gotta fight to the end.

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Idiot Fan's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:07 pm

I actually think the Dline has had stretches of really good play this year. ILB has definitely been a problem.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:24 pm

I agree. But I was speaking more from a depth perspective @IF

Just imagine if #76 missed some time.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 27, 2015 at 10:29 pm

That would spell disaster.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:56 pm

That kind of language is uncalled for. Go Pack Go!

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FITZCORE1252's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:08 pm

Fuck off.

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EdsLaces's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:04 pm

So are we allowed to talk about this team not being very good now? Or are people gonna get all pissy again?

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Bearmeat's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:05 pm

They're not very good. Average on defense and special teams. Dismal on offense.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:11 pm

Well,you shouldn't have anything to add if you already thought this would happen, right?

Was that pissy of me?

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Bearmeat's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:25 pm

Yes it was. :)

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EdsLaces's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:53 pm

Well people saying that we would lose this game is not being a packers fan is so stupid. It's called being a realist. Looking at the match up....pretending you aren't a packers fan...and picking who yiu thunk would win. I didn't think we would win, but I did not see this arse whooping coming. Either the Cards are about to win it all, the packers are one n done ...or both.

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EdsLaces's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:54 pm

You think*

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:02 pm

@Ed

Well, that wasn't me. That was someone else.

What I agree with is the statement that person made of "never doubting my team". No matter how the Pack looks or has looked I'm going into each week expecting a win. Hell, it was hard for me to NOT predict 16-0 before the season. I ended up predicting 14-2 with back to back losses to the Broncos and Panthers.

Again, I don't think I'm a bigger fan than anyone else. But me disagreeing with another Cheesehead thinking the Pack will lose shouldn't be looked at as stupid or me being a "real fan".

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EdsLaces's picture

December 27, 2015 at 10:18 pm

We all want to win (minus cow) but tgis just isn't the team of years past. It's not just jordy. AR is flat out missing throws. I wouldn't be surprised if it came out later that he had been playing with an injury. I'm optimistic about the playoffs but at some point we have to realize that every week we are all a broken record. This needs to happen that needs to happen to fix the offense, problem is it never does. We played well against the cowboys,but they suck. And even that was pretty much all ground game. Our defense has played well like I said pre game we needed 37 for this game big time and we definitely did. Our young guys got exposed. I love the packers. My son is named after Cm3 and I have a freakin Packers Tattoo, but we are the worst 10 win team I have possibly ever seen. All that said I wasn't trying to be an A$$ to anyone I guess I'm just disappointed w this season as a whole.

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croatpackfan's picture

December 28, 2015 at 05:15 am

Eds, it is not who expect what, win or lose. It is about how you expect lose or win when you expected. I'm more on that expecting win (miracle guy ;) type), but I'm also aware that Packers are not playing well on offensive side of the ball. But that is not news. Packers lost every game in the last 3 years where Packers offense sucks. It was not that often in the past, so we thought it is OK. But there is many signs where you were able to saw offensive decline. And claiming that our D is just average. I do not buy it. They are playing very good to excellent. It is just the question in what position offense putting them. From 38 points of Cardinals, Packer D allowed just 17. And those 17 was somewhat the product of bad, bad offensive play. Offense just gave 21 points on 3 fumbles. I want us to be realistic. We can not expect only D to win the games for Packers. O must do something. Special team was very good. That is on what I found foundations of my belief in this team...
When you expect to lose and spit on players, coaches and more or less whole organization, I say go and cheer for another team. It is the line you should never cross iof you are supporting someone. You may ask them to be better, but you are not allowed to spit on them. With that, you are talking more on yourself than of team you are "supporting"!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:01 am

IMHO, one qualifies as a fan if they care and support the team. Simple as that. One can expect to win or expect to lose: it doesn't matter which, as long as one roots for the team's success. I expected to lose fairly often in the 1970s and 1980s, but hopes springs eternal in preseason. Every regular poster (except some trolls who support other teams) is almost certainly a fan of the Green Bay Packers. My $.02.

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WKUPackFan's picture

December 29, 2015 at 06:56 am

Don't dare mention the 70s and 80s. The bovine will certainly object.

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Razer's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:38 pm

Please don't say anything negative about this team and their 7 straight playoff appearances. Lord knows that we are young, talented and well coached. Everyone knows this other than our opponents.

Total embarrassment.

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:06 pm

One can surely be critical. On the other hand, every single year I keep hearing how good the Lions are, how good the Vikings are, how much talent they have accumulated, and how this will be their year. And every year it's not...
I also remember people saying before this season that the Packers hadn't closed the gap between the Seahawks and Dallas - well both are behind the Packers right now, and both have been beaten by the Packers.

The NFL is an up-and-down league from year to year. It is very hard to even make the playoffs. But the Packers did it 7 times in a row. Who else can actually claim that? And it's great to have love fests for some teams, but more often than not those teams show up for a couple of seasons and then disappear to where they came from. In the modern salary cap era. remember the 49ers in the 2000s? Pathetic for years, then 3 good years where they managed to not win the SB, and now they are pathetic again.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:57 pm

No we cannot. This team is 10-5 and going to the post season. That's reason enough to be positive.

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GVPacker's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:13 pm

Of course you can, just keep it warm and fuzzy!

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ray nichkee's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:04 pm

Does any body want to rip on the starting tackles anymore? Cut adumbs tomorrow. That spike and that missed touchdown are not excusable.barclay should have been on the left and where was the protection in the backfield?

Seahawks, panthers, and pacheats lost. Go Gmen.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:15 pm

What that guy has to do to land on the bench for a quarter I have no idea.

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packersfan87's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:05 pm

lol at least packers are in the playoffs but i dont know if they can make it all the way also why dote corners give them so much space and why keep trusting devante

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packersfan87's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:36 pm

why do* the*

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ollie418's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:05 pm

This team is just not very good. Plain and simple.

Was expecting to get blown out so there is no emotional upset here!

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jbromusic's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:08 pm

i knew we were going to lose. i just didn't see an all-out ass whooping coupled with an all-out implosion. that was ugly and flat out embarrassing

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Bryce Hansen's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:12 pm

Agreed

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Bryce Hansen's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:12 pm

Agreed

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Nerd's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:05 pm

I stated on my blog, that I wasn't concerned with whether or now we would WIN this game. I was concerned that we would SHOW UP. I wanted this team to show that they were getting ready for the playoffs.

That's why I'm disappointed.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:17 pm

What's your blog, Nerd?

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Nerd's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:43 pm

statwhore DOT wordpress DOT com

;)

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Razer's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:29 pm

Well said. Says a lot about the guts of this team. Says a lot about the leadership of the team when the same mistake ridden football keeps showing up week after week. Very disappointing.

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:10 pm

yet they won 10 games in the last 16 weeks. What does that say about teams like the Seahawks, or Dallas, or pretty much everyone else in the NFC besides the Panthers or the Cardinals? I mention the Cowboys since I heard before the season that they are the best team in the NFC hands down. Well turns out they are the worst. And it doesn't have that much to do with Romo getting hurt. They played pathetic even with him.

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Razer's picture

December 28, 2015 at 06:54 am

I don't care about the Cowboys or the Seahawks or how the other teams got to their records. We are NOT playing good football and we haven't played good ball for 2 months. Defend this team as much as you want but we are going backwards not forwards.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:43 pm

Yes sir.

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Bryce Hansen's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:06 pm

Nobody better tell me to be all positive and happy clappy this week. I'll be proud of them for winning the division if they somehow can, but how can you reasonably have an optimistic outlook on this team right now?

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:01 pm

Oh geez. Doom and gloom. We gutted it out and didn't give up. We went into a venue with a red hot team keeping their record strong going into the playoffs. We just need to clean up a few things and get healthy.

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jbromusic's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:18 pm

you are not very aware of what is happening around you

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Oppy's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:09 pm

I don't know what the problem is with the offense, but it seems likely it's too late to turn it around in any sort of permanent fashion this season.

That was a rough game for the offense. The defense played very well for the most part in the first half, considering the entire first half had the offense slowly losing the field position game. After the first half, the D was simply gassed.

Good showing for the undrafted rookie LS'er in his first pro game- it took balls to call a fake punt with a guy that green in there.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:15 pm

"but it seems likely it's too late to turn it around in any sort of permanent fashion this season."

It would seem so, right? I hope that's not the case, but man -- even when we look good it's only for so long inside of the same game.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:47 pm

"This season"

It's going to take a lot longer. The problem with draft and develop is that when guys don't you are held at a deficit for 3+ years until you can draft ones that do.

They still haven't replaced:
Finley
Jennings
Woodson
Bishop
Clifton

And, I don't think they have anyone with the ceiling to be a Clifton, Finley, Or Collins even on the roster. How old will Rodgers be if/when they do?

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:42 pm

- Let's see what Backman can do in another season or two first.
- I still think Adams is our better Jennings. Yes, he's had a horrible season, but let's all remember his flashes during his rookie season (which was just last season).
- I do think we've replaced Woodson. Not saying they'll have a better career, but Rollins and Randall, I feel, are going to be damn good. Shields might have to watch out and Hayward is already on notice.

I agree with everyone else.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:46 pm

Replaced is past tense, not future maybe/hopefully/sort-of.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:39 pm

Backman was a 6th round pick... Not like he was a 5th or higher...
There isn't much difference between a bottom of 6th round pick and UDFA.

Also, you hated the pick, who would you have rather had?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:24 am

"Also, you hated the pick, who would you have rather had?"

A damned inconvenient question, RC. I could do lots of research and find some 7th rounders and UDFAs who have looked good. The honest answer is that I don't remember them all, but in rough order I liked Darryl Roberts, Ben Koyack, Ifo Ekpre-Olumu (sp?), Hayes Pullard (as a Joe Thomas kind of guy with more upside), Trent Brown, Rory Anderson better, but I don't remember which if any had injury/character issues. I don't think any of 'em have done a darn thing, but I didn't check. IIRC Roberts looked good in preseason (grain of salt right there) and went on IR before cut downs.

I had never heard of Mitchell Henry (with apologies to WKU if they are in order) but I like him better than Backman. I fully admit that I have a bit of a pet peeve about this pick.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:55 pm

Backman should have been an UDFA. Hated this pick. He is so raw, and not that athletically gifted. While you are giving him another season to develop (and yes, he should be given another season, I reluctantly agree) that does not mean that TT does not need to address the receiving options right freaking now - i.e. this offseason. If he relies on Backman to develop and RR to learn to block so as to be a good blocking possession TE and they do not, you are talking 2 or 3 years before a competent TE lines up for GB.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:22 pm

Look, I'm not saying we don't need better options. All I'm saying is give the players we drafted some time. No body was hating Adams entering the regular season. The same for R. Rodgers.

I'm oh so certain we wouldn't be talking about this if Nelson wasn't injured. So why now? We're beat up. And on top of being beat up, Rodgers hasn't been Superman this season.

Oooo! I got it! How about we tank it next season so we could have a Top pick? We'll have dibs on the best TE/ILB/WR available.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 27, 2015 at 10:20 pm

I didn't see much from Adams last year. I thought people saw what they wanted to see in him. They wanted another TT 2nd rd. success like Jennings or Nelson, so that's what they saw.. The guy wasn't any more fast, fluid, big or strong last year. I will admit he has been showing off his bad hands and football stupids more this year.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 11:00 pm

Ok, now you're letting your dislike of him from this season blind you. Adams made quite a few big plays as a rookie last season.

He showed the smooth route running similar to GJ last season
He showed the tackle breaking and jukes similar to GJ last season
He had a HUGE Playoff game at home
He stood out against the Patriots
He stood out against the Dolphins
He stood out against the Saints
He stood out against the Jets

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barutanseijin's picture

December 27, 2015 at 11:15 pm

I disagree. Jennings was impressive as a rookie. The body control, the smoothness, the ability to change direction were all there. You had to be generous to see anything of the sort in Adams last year.

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Oppy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:49 pm

Pats and Cowboys.

No generosity needed in either of those games. He kinda took them over.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:43 am

"Let's see what Backman can do in another season or two first."

I am fine with giving Backman and really almost every drafted player a year to develop. I objected to the word 'first' since I inferred that you were suggesting taking no remedial action for at least another year. If that is not what you meant to imply, then I retract my criticism.

BTW, I wrote during the last off season that Adams does everything well except get open. I did not think he could be a viable #3 option much less a #2 option. I took lots of dislikes, especially when AR was saying how great he looked. Specifically, during the televised open practice when Adams made that great one-handed catch, I commented that the catch was great, but he was not in fact open. Got hammered, indeed ridiculed, for that. It is all good though - I've been wrong plenty of times. I loved the Bradford, Rollins and Ryan picks. At present, Bradford looks bad, Ryan so-so, and Rollins pretty good. Still think GB has enough talent to beat anyone, but it would help if the OL got healthy.

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:26 pm

I almost agree with everything you say. Except for Woodson. While Rollins and Randall are good, I don't think that they'll ever be as good as Woodson. We haven't replaced Woodson at all.
I would also like to add that we have already replaced Finley. Easily. After all, what besides 'potential' could one every attribute to Finley? He showed potential but that was all. In critical moments, he dropped balls. He didn't fight for most balls. He should have been in the class of a Gronk just from the physical potential, but he never mastered the game mentally. He was an unfulfilled promise who never truly delivered. And if one is honest, once he was out, Quarless played and he did play better than Finley during the SB run. And the team won the SB without Finley. Maybe because Finley was out...
Yet every time I read the blog, someone brings up Finley as if he was the greatest TE to ever play the game...

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:37 pm

Well, in Finley's defense, it wasn't so much what he did number wise, but what he forced Defenses to do schematically.

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:15 pm

agreed. But everybody jumped on the Finley bandwagon, even opposing coaches. And not for a good reason. Everyone feared his potential. His production NEVER matched the potential. IMHO he was the most overrated Packers player I have watched play. And I got sucked into the hype in the beginning too, make no mistake about it. But after seeing him drop sure first downs or TDs on a regular basis, and seeing his idiotic celebrations after 4 yard completions, I simply got fed up. And I still maintain, besides the emergence of Starks during the SB run in the post season, the other great reason for the SB win was the fact that Finley couldn't play. It forced the Packers coaches to change their game plans for the post season. And that was a good thing.

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CrispyATX's picture

December 28, 2015 at 12:49 am

Uh...I'd say Tony Mandarich was the most overhyped Packers players of all time, not to
Mention one of the NFL's biggest draft busts of all time as well.

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Idiot Fan's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:11 pm

To be fair, Woodson is a future hall of famer and in the running for best DB of all time, so that's not the easiest thing to replace.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:40 pm

They could have started with not cutting him. One does not have to be a transcendental talent evaluator to see he's a better safety than The Dr or McMillian.

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 27, 2015 at 10:11 pm

Sure. But I was fortunate to be in CA before the last game, and saw a special on Woodson. Even the Oakland HC said the plan was to give him some mercy snaps at the beginning of the season to basically acknowledge what he had done for the Raiders and then send him off to retirement. If your own HC is genuinely surprised by the level of performance the man can put out there, after seeing him in camp, then it tells you everything. He was and still is a great player, but next week is his last game in the NFL. Too bad, yet one has to weigh the good play that is still left with the salary cap impact. And Ted had to cut him loose.

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Oppy's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:36 pm

THe "starting" players on offense at the outset of the 2015 season were the EXACT same starting players who were the #1 offense in the league the year prior, so I don't see how your argument is valid as it relates to the offense.

The defense in 2015 is actually playing far better overall than the defense of 2014, so I don't see how your argument is valid as it relates to the defense.

As far as having the ceiling to be a Finley, Finley never reached his own. There is only one or two players in the last decade who even sniff Collins, to expect the Packers to find the next Nick Collins is practically fantasy. Clifton? Well, we certainly don't have a left tackle that good, but Bulaga isn't exactly chopped liver, Bakhtiari (although I don't think he's the long term solution at LT) does fairly well for himself. Lang, Linsley/Tretter, Sitton are a top two or three interior in the league IMO.

We do need improvement at ILB. WR? despite the shitty year they are having, I think the Packers have a pretty talented WR corps.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:51 pm

"We do need improvement at ILB. WR? despite the shitty year they are having, I think the Packers have a pretty talented WR corps."

But we do need an X-factor that can specialize in something. A blazer or an end-zone target. We have too many similar WRs. Similar size, similar speed and similar hands.

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:03 pm

His name is Jordy Nelson. Get the best (or one of the best) deep threats back and the offense is fine. Like Oppy said, same as the offense that was #1 in the NFL one year prior.

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lou's picture

December 28, 2015 at 12:35 pm

Here are a couple of similar examples, look at how Brady performs without "Gronk" and how well Eli Manning did last night without Beckum, both like Rogers are Super Bowl QB's.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 27, 2015 at 11:19 pm

You nailed it. Even with Jordy we need another. Felt that way last year and with the deep draft class that year, I thought we could have done much better than Adams.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:03 pm

Um, Jordy Nelson?

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:26 pm

"Lang, Linsley/Tretter, Sitton are a top two or three interior in the league IMO" - not this year. Sitton is a disappointment. Lang is dealing with injuries constantly. Linsley has regressed, and Tretter may actually be better but they won't let him play unless Linsley is injured.

The O is brutally disappointing. But as you rightly mentioned, same players. Loss of Jordy was huge. Constant injuries on OL also. But for me the biggest reason is the (comparatively) bad play of #12. I don't know the reasons and do not want to speculate. But he is not playing as well as in seasons past. yet he likes to call out other players for their insufficient preparation etc. Maybe he should worry about his own preparation and performance first and foremost. I do have to laugh about the presser after the game. #12 basically said that the team will show up once it counts. Great, but why even play if you don't want to show up when it doesn't count? I do think I am seeing a change in attitude in the starting QB from last season to this season. But that may just be me.

On the coaching side, all the shifting to Clements play calling, promoting Bennett to OC, and shifting van Pelt, I don't think those changes helped at all. Again, not going to speculate, but this O went from a top 5 O to a bottom half of the NFL O. With the same players. So someone has to look at the obvious differences.

I hope the people in charge will analyze properly and take the needed steps.

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Oppy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:52 pm

When you say, "Not this year", what does that mean?

Are you arguing that we should not look at the entire body of work, but make personnel decisions based on a snapshot?

If so, that doesn't seem to be good business acumen.

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newrulz1951's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:11 pm

The Packers have played uninspired and predictable all season. They miscalculated how good they were after coming so close last year. So they gave too little attention to the offensive line. Add to that the fact that McCarthy led teams have underachieved every season, except one. He needs to be replaced. McCarthy is lost, and has no idea how to fix it. It's time for a change in leadership, and perhaps it's time to rebuild.

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 27, 2015 at 09:32 pm

"Add to that the fact that McCarthy led teams have underachieved every season, except one." - wow. I am not a big fan of McC. But the man has the best W-L record of any Packers coach. In his 10th year, the teams have now made the playoffs 8 times. so far have won the SB once, been in the NFCCG two other times. Give the man a little credit.
"one of the best coaches in the league." - was a quote about him by Belichick.

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bears suck forever's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:20 pm

I fell asllep and just woke up from a bad nightmare. How did the game go?

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FrozenTundra's picture

December 27, 2015 at 08:35 pm

I don't like the Bears either but just remember, they've won more games than any other team in the NFL. The Packers are second.

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MarkinMadison's picture

December 27, 2015 at 07:22 pm