Joe Barry out as Packers defensive coordinator

NFL Network reports that Packers defensive coordinator Joe Barry will not return in 2024.

 

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Lphill's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:04 am

lets get it right this time !!!!

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:47 am

It's easy to think anyone can do better than Joe Barry, including indians from the Andeas who have never seen civilization, let alone football, but getting a good DC will take some effort and for the love of god don't go by their scheme.

Pick a DC that can adapt to each teams strengths and knows how to play up his players.

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dobber's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:16 pm

"It's easy to think anyone can do better than Joe Barry, "

Great comment! Remember when we were saying, "anyone can do better than Sean Mennenga," and Maurice Drayton said, "hold my beer"?

It CAN get worse, but I also believe that it CAN get better. This team is much further along in its progress than we expected at this stage. The QB situation is on a trajectory to locking it down for the next 4+ years. Let's aspire to solidify the defense.

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Minniman's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:38 pm

Whomever is responsible for teaching the secondary those penguin dive\ chop block tackling attempts also needs to be shown the door.

Rant completed, I totally agree with you dobber, the Packers must have already surreptitiously canvassed a short list and received feedback that the role would be accepted if offered........ not unlike what clearly happened in New England.

The biggest factor for the Joe Barry firing is that he'd clearly lost control of the locker room. Lots of disharmonious cryptic comments and actions this year - a leadership position is untenable if one loses control of the team.

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Cotreq's picture

January 24, 2024 at 04:29 pm

Vic Fangio anyone ?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 24, 2024 at 07:13 pm

Who better to run the Vic Fangio defense?

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CarlWinslow1's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:06 am

NO STALEY PLEASE!

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PackAttack4155's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:12 am

Agree 100%. A younger Joe Barry won't fix anything.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:06 am

A younger Joe Barry went 0-16 with the Lions, which in some circles would be disqualifying for future DC jobs.

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PackAttack4155's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:28 am

I hear you, he shouldn't have been hired in the first place. Can't do anything about that now, except to not hire his clone.

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BradHTX's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:29 am

I would remind everyone that Barry’s career has largely been a result of nepotism, not qualifications. This excellent article from Paul Noonan over at APC is a great read.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2021/2/8/22272891/joe-barry-packers-d...

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PackAttack4155's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:39 am

That was an interesting, and awful, read.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 25, 2024 at 03:45 am

It's written with the bias that nepotism is necessarily bad. Is the league going to require that no coach can hire anyone they know?

The problem is hiring people who suck. I'm not sure the league can ban that, either. If one person usually makes bad hiring positions, that's a fault within an organization. This is one of the better reasons for having MLF do what he's good at, and not do what he's bad at. Make him OC. That would free up (for example) Evero and Belichik to come in, probably among others.

A few tweaks to the organization and GB could become a very desirable landing spot for at least a few top candidates. Another route would be decision by committee, with input from at least Gutey, maybe MM; it seems MLF would have no problem listening to his colleagues rather than being a tyrant.

I'm afraid they're going to drag their feet and lose out on the best people.

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Packerpasty's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:35 am

oh hell no!! Take the time and choose the right man..

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Cheezehead72's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:10 am

I would like a DC that is consistent. He does not have to be great, great would be icing, but someone that leads the defense to be consistently good. I would like to see one that will develop a hard hitting, run to the ball, and take chances defense.

Two coaches I really like are Jim Leonard and Mike Vrabel.

I would like to see a good position coach I just have not had time to research them yet.

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dobber's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:18 pm

...and LaF has connections to both.

I wouldn't be surprised if Vrabel lands on his feet yet and gets an HC gig for 2024, but he might be available. Leonhard is still out there, but I'd argue there are plenty of guys who are going to profile similarly.

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Duhawk_47's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:01 pm

I'd love nothing more than to have Vrabel in Green and Gold. The hesitation there in my eyes, even if he is available, is that he's likely to get scooped up for an HC gig in 1-2 years tops. Do we really want to reset the Defense again in '25 or '26 during what appears to be a potential Super Bowl window? Food for thought!

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 24, 2024 at 03:01 pm

That is the risk with Vrabel...but he would have talented assistants who would share his strategic direction, talent evaluation, coaching, teaching, scheme utilizations etc. and could be possible heirs.

I would love Vrabel.

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NickPerry's picture

January 25, 2024 at 05:56 am

Had Gfreen Bay not hired MLF, Vrabel was going to fire him. Varbel and LaFleur.... Nope, that's oil and water.

Leonard...YES

Or how about

Martindale....YES

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Guam's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:06 am

Jubilation in Packerland!

Now the concern is who will Lafleur appoint as the next DC. He whiffed on Mennenga, Drayton and Barry so his track record is not stellar when selecting staff. If he gets a good one, the Packers could be serious contenders next year.

I am hoping for Evero, but he would have to be made an Associate Head Coach as Carolina is blocking lateral moves for Evero. I would settle for Leonhard if Evero isn't available. There are others like Martindale or Belichick (highly doubtful he would accept a DC position), but I would prefer a younger guy to match up to this young roster better.

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Coldworld's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:46 am

No doubt he’d be exciting, but I think we may have missed the boat on him when he came 3rd when we hired Barry. They aren’t letting him interview and I don’t think title does it, there has to be substantive additional responsibility to void the ability to prevent interviews. Im not sure how much flexibility we have for that given Bissacia’s role. Im also not sure if I want the new hire distracted by anything other than elevating this D either.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:11 am

I've been very positive on Evero since we picked the scheme guy that coached somewhere where Matt LaFleur coached instead. He's done nothing since that time than BE that up and coming young DC. Trade Bakhtiari for Evero (if anyone is dumb enough to fall for the "Pro-bowl Franchise Left Tackle" hype it's the Panthers owner - psst, Tepper, you need a big Left Tackle to protect your QB, Bakh is the best, you won't need a good DC for a few years, do it, it's what a smart team would do...)

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golfpacker1's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:21 am

That is a hell of an idea Cheesed, really thinking outside the box. At least we would be getting an asset back. Before last year David might have fetched a 2nd rounder back, at least a 3rd. If this trade worked it would be a big win. Or any way we could pry Evero loose. He would have to be option #1.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:25 am

Well if they pass on DB we could always offer Yosh and hope nobody on the Panthers knows how to check his contract status.

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EricTorkelson's picture

January 24, 2024 at 05:00 pm

Cheesedeadhead..... Who in there right mind other than GB will settle for Yosh

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 25, 2024 at 03:50 am

Nijman is seriously good! His weaknesses are he regresses quickly when not playing enough, and he can't switch positions well.

I doubt he'd be willing to return to GB next season so he's a good candidate to trade.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2024 at 08:17 am

Nijman is a free agent. He is gone. He’d be nuts to come back here after the last year or so.

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 24, 2024 at 06:22 pm

Bacthiari is done, his knees are finished, mate! Now Guttenkunst has to see how to send him off with less financial losses!!!

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2024 at 08:20 am

40 million cap hit to keep him, 20 if we let him go. The 20 is locked in as its past bonuses paid. I don’t see him staying. The reality is that his injury status will always be questionable and his longevity limited. Walker did well. They will play and develop him unless they get a draft pick who plays even better I believe.

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BradHTX's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:31 am

Everyone is hoping for Evero, but it’s extremely unlikely: he’s getting HC interviews from both Carolina and Atlanta, neither of which would require hugely uprooting his family.

Honestly, I think a second run at Jim Leonhard is more likely.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:43 am

" I think a second run at Jim Leonhard is more likely."

I'd be fine with that if they look at others, like Chris Hewitt, and decide Leonhard is the best choice.

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PackAttack4155's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:24 am

Before Mennenga, Drayton, and the over-hyped Bissacia (29th this season), LaFleur's first choice was Darren Rizzi. He was overruled by Murphy, and Rizzi has been a top ST coordinator. Here's hoping there's more trust in LaFleur's first option, and it doesn't come down to another desperate reach of a second.

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ChrisD's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:12 pm

Show me where you read that Murphy overruled LaFleur on a coaching hire.

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PackAttack4155's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:55 pm

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-mat...

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/05/09/silverst...

Overruled was the wrong word to use, that's on me. An unwillingness to meet Rizzi's price would be more accurate. It was a low-ball contract offer. LaFleur, Gute, and Ball would all have varying degrees of influence on the decision, but the final say is Murphy's.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:02 pm

You must be some kind of Jedi Master Attack. Did you run down to your local library and search through the catalog to find that information? Too bad it's a skill that the average person can't use to find information in 2024. ChrisD and I wish we had that ability or maybe some way of searching for information.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2024 at 08:40 am

The story at the time was that Ball opposed the hire on monetary grounds causing and Murphy to pause it for reconsideration. Murphy then reversed after a few days, but Rizzi, who thought it was a done deal based on him being in demand, decided that the delay, during which time he’d had another offer, indicated that the Packers were not all in and declined to negotiate further.

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Minniman's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:00 pm

Interesting point, and true, there's no present proof.

Not speaking for anyone here, but in light of confirmation that Rodgers was previously calling the shots on offense, it's not a stretch to imagine everyone else meddling in MLF's job at that point in time too.

Hopefully after the success of this year, people learn to back-off.

There's a quote being touted on social media by the consulting firm McKinsey:

"You trusted me enough to give me the job - now trust me enough to DO the job!"

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 24, 2024 at 02:54 pm

Going to be some solid candidates, young and on the rise like Evero and Leonard, proven vets like Zimmer (great DC, HC was his "Peter Principle")...many in between.

My personal favorite would be Leonard. It seems he and Matt hit it off last time during hours of interviews over 2 days.

The NFL isn't the B1G, but he was consistently good and at times his teams were elite. He always seemed know his players and how to best deploy their individual strengths to make the overall team better. And making RS sophomore TE TJ Watt into an OLB/Edge rusher is an example of his identifying and coaching up talent.

Kudos to Coach Matt for making a the decision...certainly a personally difficult decision.

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 24, 2024 at 06:06 pm

Viable was hc with the flower as his assistant, don't think he will come to gb as dc,very plausibile, no? For me ,won't happen, Murphy and Guttenkunst bring Bellick in as hc and put the flower at dc .' Don't even think of possibilities of front office to think of this scheme, right?. I heard today Fangio doesn't want to return to miami? What's up with him? He's considered a great defensive coach,and he changes teams so often, anyone knows? Mink ? Rivera? Many here like Leonhard,I don't know? His schemes are those of Slaley,pettine? Dont know who they decide,hopefully whoever they choose is an upgrade!!

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Houndog's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:06 am

I haven't seen or read anything but the headline just yet, but let me say this,

HALLELUJAH !!!!!

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PeteK's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:18 am

ESPN just reported it.

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John Handel's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:01 am

It's about dam ass time who knows maybe our coach has a pair but please no ex freinds we need some one that will go for the jugluar and will not let up GO PACK GO

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:26 am

"I haven't seen or read anything but the headline just yet"

The Headline SAYS IT ALL!!!!!

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KKB's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:17 am

OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its 9 AM - but time for a drink (or two)!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was so afraid that LMF was going to give him one more try.

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Houndog's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:30 am

KKB,
I'm sure all of Packerland will understand and forgive you for starting early on a day like this.
It signifies a start on the road to a Superbowl.

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PeteK's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:20 am

No matter who's the next coach, we need a stud S first and another ILB & DT.

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Houndog's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:32 am

I agree with half of what you say Pete, but yes, the coach does matter.
Barry being half-assed with 8 first rounders, and the late season improvement after MFL joined the "D" meeting room proves that.
Not that MLF knows defense, but his presence alone was a signal.

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mnbadger's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:45 am

Why did it take so long for him to be in the defensive meetings?
One of my big criticisms of mlf has been that he doesn't take ownership of the entire team.
Specializes on offense but too often fails with poor ST's and D play and scheme.
A truly great day for Packer Nation.
Let's hope jbarry doesn't have a son or a nephew that's close with mlf's kids or we may be starting over next year in a worse position!
GPG!

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dobber's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:20 pm

I'll point out that Brian Flores took a chicken shit Vikings defense from 2022 and made pretty damn good chicken salad in 2023. So, not to disagree that they need help in those places, but a bright mind who can read and relate to his players will make a big difference.

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Minniman's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:04 pm

Barry clearly lost the locker room this year - he had to go - there's no coming back from that.

The secondary were being made to look like clowns and were revolting at times (.... both interpretations! :) )

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Minniman's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:13 pm

When\if you watch the all-22 of the 49ers game, the lapses by the Safeties is laid bare.

3 TD's caused by bad Safety play (poor tackling technique and missed assignment).

Savage played so inconsistently in that game that he undid any previous good will.

It's funny, on the play immediately before that Kittle TD, there's footage of Savage having a good ol' laugh and chat with the opponent WR at the end of the play. Next play, he (of 4.36 speed) gets outpaced by Kittle on a deep crossing route. Then there's his pathetic chop block tackle attempt of Mccaffrey in one of his TD runs.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 25, 2024 at 05:07 am

Pete, it's the O line that keeps season ending injuries to the QB away, that's why I want the O line to be the priority with 3 picks for the interior and in early rounds. If JRJ is retained 2 might be enough.

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TKWorldWide's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:24 am

Premium job! Young up and coming team, tons of premium talent. (Allegedly?)

Exciting to think GB could get an innovative young DC who can make the D perform BETTER than the sum of its eight first round parts!

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4thand1's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:28 am

Get a guy can game plan and scheme for each game. And motivate people. IT IS TIME.

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SwedeBayPacker's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:33 am

Ding Dong! The Witch is dead

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Houndog's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:33 am

Yeah, the 'Ding-Dong Witch'.

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GA-Packer's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:40 am

Really hoping Mike Vrabel end up being the DC!

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:49 am

Would be the most amazing hire, but he's getting a head coaching gig.

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Fubared's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:53 am

Forget him, you dont want another successful HC looking over your shoulder and being on hand if things go bad for you.

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dobber's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:30 pm

If LaF's ego can't take that at this stage, then I don't hold out much hope for him picking anyone with much in the way of balls. They hired Bisaccia...and he has NFL HC experience.

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Gman1976's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:40 am

I wish JB the best and now hope we can get the best! It's been a while since we have had a consistently good defense.

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GregC's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:42 am

The Big Moment is here for Matt LaFleur. I don't love most of the big names who are being mentioned, and I would like to see him go with an up-and-coming defensive coach. But LaFleur will be making this decision with WAY more information than I have. Remember that LaFeur himself was not a big name when the Packers hired him.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:40 am

One of my first calls would be Anthony Weaver - Asst. HC and D-line coach Baltimore Ravens. A former NFL player with a solid defensive coaching resume and still relatively young (43). Also, The Ravens defensive line has been dominant under Weaver's guidance in the past three seasons. Plus I would like to see a minority hire for a Packers co-ordinator job.

He recently interviewed for Atlanta's HC position.

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Rebelgb's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:28 pm

He would be my first choice as well.

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GregC's picture

January 24, 2024 at 07:45 pm

If he's assistant head coach, doesn't that mean he can't be hired away unless it's for a head coaching job?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 25, 2024 at 05:10 am

Why should skin color be a factor? How is that any less prejudiced than insisting everybody be white?

Best man for the job. Weaver seems like an excellent candidate.

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Coldworld's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:42 am

Thank you! The first step is made. That is a big one for LaFleur. Maybe a sign he is becoming a HC. Accepting that the D isn’t good enough and needs to be better and that personal relationships shouldn’t factor once that realization has been made is a critical ability for a leader.

So half done, but a hard step for LaFleur I believe. Now, what I hope for is a replacement that runs a different system and is more focused on talent than scheme and more adaptive to opponents strengths and calling and sees defense as a way to win not avoid losing.

We have the capital to adjust this year and that was why we needed to decide if Barry was the DC to draft for. Let’s hope LaFleur has the ability to identify and recruit the right guy and a willingness to take on a more assertive personality and new ideas.

A good day. Barry isn’t a bad guy, but the D wasn’t the answer and this had to come. Teams have to try to get better off the field as well as on. Let’s hope it works, but the status quo wasn’t and now we aren’t going to waste a year, one with a lot of draft capital, confirming that yet again. We just took the first step in changing that and LaFleur possibly took a big one for his personal growth. I hope so.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:52 am

I'm pretty shocked, and MLF must already have a guy. Staley is a pretty fair bet, and people bad mouthing him have no idea what he brings in terms of attitude and player loyalty.

Want an all gas no brakes team? Brandon Staley IS that guy. He is fucking crazy.

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PackAttack4155's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:26 am

What does Staley bring? He was hired by the Chargers for his defensive mind, had a decent, not great, defense to start, was given high-quality free agents to fill roster holes, and every season that defense was garbage. Two of his three years there he coached a bottom five run defense, and the one outlier, this season, was middle of the road (with a bottom three pass defense). He will not improve the run defense, and has the same bend, don't (but will) break defensive mentality as JB. Opinion of him has been exaggerated by his lone season with the Rams, with the likes of prime Aaron Donald, the real crazy one, having a monster year.

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Coldworld's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:04 am

Demovsky, who broke the news of the firing, suggested that Staley was unlikely to be a target:

“Staley, who was fired this season as the Los Angeles Chargers' head coach, is not expected to be a leading candidate to replace Barry in Green Bay, according to sources familiar with LaFleur's plans.”

Perhaps that means a conscious move away from the Fangio tree? Otherwise it’s somewhat surprising.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 25, 2024 at 05:14 am

Replace one loser with another? Yeah that would be crazy.

Football is about winning. Get someone who can get our players performing ABOVE their talent level, coordinating a defense, and adjusting in-game.

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Bearmeat's picture

January 24, 2024 at 05:25 pm

How about MLF’s performance now, CW? :)

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Rebelgb's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:50 am

Look peeps Bill Belicheck is NOT taking a DC job. The guy won 5 Super Bowls.

Ron Rivera would be awesome.

Leanord would work.

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Coldworld's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:55 am

Leonard is from the same coaching tree as Barry though. That tree is no longer thriving in the NFL. Ideally I’d like to see us move away from it and find a new schematic approach as well as a different mindset.

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Rebelgb's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:58 am

I did not know that. Agreed time to move onto a new scheme.

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The_Justicar's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:08 am

When did Leonard coach under the same tree as Barry? I thought Leonard was of the Rex Ryan tree

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:52 am

Leonard doesn't have a track record as an NFL DC. His college DC experience is in implementing Dave Arnada's system when Dave bolted for LSU. Just say no to Jimmy.

IMHO, we need to hire an experienced NFL DC. Wink and his crew are out there after what has been described as a toxic environment with the Giants. HIs time with the Ravens was impressive, not sure about his fit in Green Bay.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:10 am

Martindale also aspires to be a HC - so I would wonder about his level of commitment and enthusiasm as a DC.

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dobber's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:28 pm

He played in the NFL in both odd and even front schemes. Long NFL career. He HAS been a DC on the college level and a very successful one. The Badgers' tendencies on defense had evolved away from Aranda's over his six years in charge. He's his own guy. I would be no more afraid of him than an up-and-coming NFL position coach.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:21 pm

Agreed dobber. He was MLF's 1st choice 3 years ago. There's no reason to believe he isn't in the conversation now.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 25, 2024 at 05:18 am

I like Wink Martindale's accomplishments, but obviously have no idea about his fit in GB. It's very exciting to think what could be done by actually trying to use the talent on the roster!

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 24, 2024 at 03:09 pm

How is Leonard from the same coaching tree as Barry?

Jim is from the Tree of Success. Barry was grown from the Tree of Failure.

Leonard Defenses always attack. Very creative.

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Guam's picture

January 24, 2024 at 05:07 pm

Leonhard is from the Rex Ryan "46" coaching tree. Barry is from the Tony Dungy "Tampa two" coaching tree. Very different coaching trees I believe.

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 24, 2024 at 06:45 pm

Absolutely agree,Leonhard comes from the rex ryan tree, pettine,Joe Barry, staley, do you badger fans believe he'll bring success? For me , top old school dc whom have always had awesome defense? Old school dcs don't understand modern offensive schemes,? Than who? Modern or today's coaches aren't severe and authoritarian, todays modern coaches don't have discipline, which? Football is football, the fundamental principle is the same. I like a man like coaches that no longer exists. Lombardi, why? He was authoritarian and dictator!!

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Packers0808's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:50 am

Vrabel?

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PackAttack4155's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:50 am

Good. I hope his replacement is creative enough, and willing, to adjust their schemes to the strengths of their players. That shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, but here we are. If the cap space allows, it'd be great if the FO aids the new hire with a couple free agent pickups at S, DL, and ILB, with a focus on rush defense, and solid tacklers over pure athletes.

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TKWorldWide's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:45 am

Yes! While great athletes, are, well…great, there’s no RAS that measures tackling ability and a nasty demeanor.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 25, 2024 at 05:22 am

The salary cap doesn't allow.

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beerandbrats's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:52 am

MLF continues to impress! He righted the ship when this rookie team was sinking. Then he did the unthinkable and coached this young team to the playoffs. Now he has made the tough decision and fired his friend and DC.

I thought MLF was the right guy at the right time for AR12's career but I wasn't convinced MLF was the right guy for such a young team.

Now I think it's safe to say these young Packers are in very good hands!

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Houndog's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:42 am

beerandbrats.
"Now I think it's safe to say these young Packers are in very good hands!"
Or;
Let's say its finally heading in the right direction, and MLF stepping up for the sake of the team is paramount to that continuing. I didn't think he'd have the guts, and glad I was wrong.

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beerandbrats's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:53 am

I'm with you Houndog. I didn't think he would do it either but I'm glad he did because I think it was the right decision for this team to get better.

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Houndog's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:16 am

Yes,
I'm convinced that this could be a major step for this young team;
1.) It proves that he will no longer accept mediocrity
2.) Even if you've got a contract, you CAN be replaced
3.) We want to win!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 25, 2024 at 05:26 am

It's not safe yet. Let's see a DC come in and have this roster performing ABOVE their talent level. A consistently good defense is essential.

I believe this roster has the talent to be at least top 12, in basically every metric. Injuries have certainly been a factor this past season. Lots more development ahead in that draft and develop idea ...

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2024 at 08:56 am

Whomever we hire will shape how we draft—types and priorities on D. This year we are likely to draft heavily on defense. It’s very important that we get this hire right and this shape the roster effectively.

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Joemailman's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:55 am

Chris Hewitt. Love the way Baltimore plays defense.

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Rebelgb's picture

January 24, 2024 at 09:59 am

Oh man me too!

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Cheesey51's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:45 pm

Milt Hendrickson, current Director of Football Operations for GB packer.
Hendrickson, spent 14 seasons (2005-18) in the Baltimore Ravens' personnel department, serving in various pro and college scouting roles.
Chris Hewitt:2012-22: (with Baltimore) 2022:Helped guide the NFL's No. 3 unit in points allowed per game (18.5) and defensive red zone TD percentage (46.4)...Baltimore also finished fourth on third down (34.9%) and tied (TB) for the NFL's ninth-fewest yards allowed per game (324.3)...The defense permitted the NFL's second-fewest total TDs (32, tied with Buf. & Cin.) and fewest scores of 20-plus yards (5, tied with Cin.)...CB Marlon Humphrey made his third-career Pro Bowl after finishing as one of two DBs (L'Jarius Sneed) to record at least 3 INTs and 3 sacks...S Kyle Hamilton earned PFWA All-Rookie honors after joining L'Jarius Sneed and Derwin James as one of three DBs to post at least 5 QBHs and 5 PD.
Milt is familiar with Hewitt. Hewitt has a proven track record. He's young and his defense is one game away from SB.
He's interviewing with the Jacksonville Jaguars.
MLF time is of the essence
Third Time is the Charm. just sayin.....

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PackBacker's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:08 am

Good. It's already been a successful offseason.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:10 am

My must have for the next DC.

- They must be versatile/multiple however you want to call it. They have to be able to make adjustments, changes from week to week, and in game. They need someone that can adjust to what is happening on the field. And when they find something that is working, exploit the offense with it.

- They must be aggressive! They have some guys who can get after the QB. They need to do things to allow them to get to the QB. One of those things is not having DB's playing 10 yards off the ball. They need to be aggressive and get in players faces and to be playing downhill!

- They need to be able to put players in the best positions to succeed. I think of Savage as an example. It felt like he was misused under Barry. He was much better playing closer to the LOS then farther off. He was better with Pettine, then Barry.

So with saying that stuff the guy I want is Jim Leonhard. I wanted him 3 years ago, I want him now. I'm a Badger's fan so I watched him coach his entire time at Wisconsin. That is not why I want him. I want him because of what he did as a coach. He had one of the top defenses every year that he was there. And he didn't have the top talent in the league.
This is where his defense ranked every year he was there.
2017- 3
2018 - 35
2019 - 10
2020 - 10
2021 - 4
2022 - 17
This is the number of defensive players drafted since 2017 from Wisconsin and the round they were taken.
2017 - TJ Watt (1), Vinee Biegel (4)
2018 - Nick Nelson (4), Natrell Jamerson (5), Jack Cichy (6)
2019 - Ryan Connelly (5), Andrew Van Ginkel (5)
2020 - Zack Baun (3)
2021 - Isaiahh Loudermilk (5), Rachad Wildgoose (6)
2022 - Leo Chenal (3), Matt Henningsen (6), Faion Hicks (7)
2023 - Keeanu Benton (2), Nick Herbig (4)

To break this down, he has had 1- 1st round pick. 1- 2nd round pick. 2- 3rd round picks. 3- 4th round picks. 4- 5th round picks. 3- 6th round picks. 1- 7th round pick.

There was a not a ton of top NFL talent taken in the years he was there. But he also had one of the best defenses routinely every year. That tells me that what he was doing was working really good, and he didn't rely on the players talents.
The other reason why I like Leonhard. He adjusts to what is happening on the field. There was a game where he sent Chenel on a blitz up the middle over the C. He realized that the C couldn't match Chenel's power and speed, so what did he do. He kept sending him down after down. I think he had like 3 sacks and 5 tackles for a loss that game.

I know people will say he ran the same type of scheme as Pettine. Yes they were in the same types of schemes. But its the person running it that is the difference.

Something else is the energy that he brings. He is a high energy guy and knows how to motivate guys. And yes in the NFL some guy still need the motivation. It shouldn't be that way but it is.

For me my top choice is Leonhard. It was 3 years ago and it is today.

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Richie1265's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:18 am

Agree!

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Leatherhead's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:22 am

So, RC, do you really want to listen to people complain about Leonhard in here every time we don't throw a shutout? Because you and I both know,it's going to happen.

There is a huge assumption here that whoever we get will be better than Barry. I'm not so sure.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:34 am

Oh I absolutely know it will happen. Hell most of this season people wanted LaFleur fired. Even into the playoffs there were a few individuals that wanted him gone. So that will definitely happen.

I think pending on who they get as the DC it could be a huge upgrade. Honestly it could be a bigger move then any player they could bring in. Getting someone that is more aggressive and mixes and matches coverages and makes the offense react to the defense, that alone could completely change our defense.

But for Barry he simply wasn't good as the DC. Scoring is the best metric to decided how good he was as a DC. In GB this year they did finish 10th. Last year they were 13th and '22 they were 17th. Rushing defense he was 11th in '21, 26 in '22, 28 in '23. Here is the question with Barry's defenses. How much of that was him personally, vs the players the had, vs the teams they played.

To me though the final straw for this year was the 6 blown 4th quarter leads. When you needed the defense to step up the most they failed the most. That is why Barry was let go.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2024 at 08:51 am

Still. Not convinced that LaFleur is an ahead Coach. He’s looking more like the OC talent we hoped he could be, both on field and with the reality of the pervasiveness of Rodgers control coming out.

That said he’s fired Barry. A difficult personal step, which is a good sign that he might be growing into the role. Who he hires will shed a lot of light on that. Unlike you, I am less enthused by Leonard. I think there’s more proven talent out there and that a move away from that schematic tree might bring some fresh ideas.

Always doubt the easiest choice. It may be right but it often is just easy. I hope there’s a thorough process here and that we go with the one we believe wI’ll be the best for us, regardless of cost. No more Rizzi penny pinching, no more settling for comfortable.

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Cheesey51's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:51 pm

I do not want a coach who rejected the Carry the G way and that goes for Evero
So NO on the Native son, Jim Leonard.
No on old coaches Ron Rivera and wink Martindale and Patriots former coach,Bill B
Chris Hewitt #1,

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:16 pm

The circumstance was different. If he said no and went somewhere else. I would have said no too.
But he said no to remain at his school. I don't blame him at all for that. Also he didn't want to disrupt his family at that time. I don't know for sure if this part is true but I heard it. I heard that he thought he was going to get the HC job after Chryst as well. Which he did get the interim job but they went a different direction.

Leonhard is essentially a free agent now. I am willing to bet his tune has changed since then.

Evero is still under contract.

There are a lot of names thrown out.
Al Harris is another being mentioned a lot.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 25, 2024 at 06:40 am

Al Harris certainly deserves some consideration. That doesn't mean he's the best candidate.

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harleycops's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:41 pm

Too long to read, keep it short!

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 24, 2024 at 02:00 pm

Jim Leonhard is good at what he does. Hire him.

That better?

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Johnblood27's picture

January 25, 2024 at 09:51 am

you could always just watch a nagler video if reading is beyond your level.

coloring books are also available.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 24, 2024 at 03:14 pm

As a fellow Badger Fan who watched nearly every game he coached, I agree with you and cannot add to your comment. You said it all for me, RC!

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 24, 2024 at 04:59 pm

According to the previous poster, I said to much. lol.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 25, 2024 at 09:52 am

keep on preaching bringing the facts.

dont listen to the low-brow crowd.

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canadapacker's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:14 am

I dont know whether we want an ex head coach to return as a DC - know that a bunch of them are doing well. But just look at what Patricia has done - zilch - two firings in a row. Now Bill B's coaching tree is littered with more failures that successes. Now maybe a young and up and comer? Dont know if that is what is needed.
But I do know that retreads dont work - Capers and keeping them in too long Barry Pettine doesnt work either. But we do need a person who will motivate and get results and has the Ravens approach to defense and it will be up to Gute to get those types of guys drafted as we improve over the long haul all the while producing with the talent that we currently have on the roster.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:10 am

Eight one picks were selected by Gute, not Barry. Something has to give...

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Via.Lombardi's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:15 am

Jim Leonhard wasn't even a coach in 2023. He was a senior football analyst for the U of Illinois. Now, he's at a lower job than he was at with the Wisconsin Badgers, so today it's a different circumstance.

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Houndog's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:23 am

And then,
maybe he's been sitting at home, watching, laughing, and shaking his head while thinking the 'right opportunity' would come along.
He was, after all, MLF's first choice. Pettine was forced on him by Murphy.

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ChrisD's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:29 pm

Show me where you read that Murphy made the decision to hire Pettine.

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dobber's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:33 pm

We have no idea what the terms of his severance from UW were.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 24, 2024 at 02:03 pm

Also do we know what was written into his contract there? Did they have that he would get first opportunity to be HC or anything?

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2024 at 08:28 am

Leonard was paid 1.5 million as a DC and got a payoff of 1 million on departing. He was getting another 112,000 as an off field analyst for Illinois too—a sort of holding role. If I recall he was using the year for personal rehab.

Im not particularly on board with Leonard. He is a guy who rejected us once, has not had the opportunity to do much since and runs a similar scheme to Barry, same tree. In addition to the step up from college to the NFL often being a challenge, the Fangio tree is something that I’d like to get away from conceptually as well as improving the coaching acuity. There are some reasons to look elsewhere.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:16 am

The Packers had reached the elite 8. This was definitely Barry's ceiling as a DC. Still need to level-up if the team is to reach the pinnacle. So the next DC should at least be an A-lister.

Frankly, I was surprised that management did not squander this timely opportunity to potentially make the team better. It seems that Jordan Love's meteoric rise has positively affected others within Murphy's management structure.

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Houndog's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:49 am

"Murphy's Management Structure"?
Kinda' sounds like a screen door in a submarine, doesn't it?

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Alberta_Packer's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:01 am

Agreed. This has been the unexpected benefit of Love's ascendance. It seems to have permeated even Murphy's counter-productive and unhurried style of management.

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Houndog's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:31 am

Alberta,
You might have nailed it.
I think Love's ascendance plays a big part.
No more waiting 'till next year, the time for multiple Superbowl runs is now.

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Fubared's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:21 am

Normally I would never celebrate someone losing their job. Been there done that and it hurts. HOWEVER, I'm making and exception this time and will probably have large volumns of alcohol tonight more out of shock that they actually did this. Never thought they would get rid of this guy. The team is already vastly improved over this season.
Good job packer org!

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golfpacker1's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:23 am

I wish I had a dollar for each Packers fan who just said "It's about DAMN time!" I would be rich.

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Fubared's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:56 am

No one can count that high LOL

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BruceC1960's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:23 am

Wonder if the Packers pulling the trigger quickly means they have someone in mind and don’t want him to get away? Curious to see if they go with an ex- head coach, a current DC or an up and comer?
Vrabel, Reich, Rivera, Staley, Belichick are all out there.
Guess I’m hoping for young and aggressive.

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13TimeChamps's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:48 am

This is the 2nd time I've seen Frank Reich's name mentioned. What am I missing here? Reich is a former QB, QB coach, and Offensive Coordinator. Why would he be under consideration for a DC position?

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BruceC1960's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:48 am

You aren’t missing anything. I saw him mentioned somewhere else too. After checking his history, he has no defensive background. Obviously he would not be a candidate.

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NFLfan's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:24 am

Find a coach who insists on fundamentals, proper tackling, etc., with high character & high football IQ.
BTW, I think Vrabel is too intense for MLF, personally.

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BruceC1960's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:42 am

Is Mike Vrabel related to Jason Vrabel?

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ChrisD's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:31 pm

No

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Houndog's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:53 am

NFLfan,
"BTW, I think Vrabel is too intense for MLF, personally.
He's also LaFleur's former boss, how do you make that work?

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ChrisD's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:32 pm

You pay him. If Vrabel takes the job, why would anyone care?

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dobber's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:34 pm

It would likely be someone that LaF could hand the defense to and not worry at all.

The flip side of this coin is that he's already being interviewed for other HC gigs. He'd likely be a very short-term guy. If continuity is important, younger and "fresher" is probably on the menu.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 25, 2024 at 06:46 am

An injection of intensity would help this organization.

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NFLfan's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:27 am

I think many DC's would jump @ the chance to coach an ascending team with a HC like Matt LaFleur.

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Since'61's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:32 am

Finally!!! Now it's a mater of who is selected to replace Barry. I hope the Packers due their due diligence and don't hire someone after one interview. Also they should not be scared off from a good selection because of price. Just identify and hire the most qualified candidate. Thanks, Since '61

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Houndog's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:56 am

I agree Since'61,
I'm hoping they learned their lesson when Murphy wouldn't cough up the cash for Darren Rizzi, MLF's first choice.
It's taken 5 years just to get the STs to 'reasonable'.
Open up the wallet, the Packers are rich!

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ChrisD's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:34 pm

You make all these statements, like they’re fact. Like you have some direct conduit to everything Mark Murphy‘s thinking, or everything that happens there. You don’t know shit! So stop saying stuff you don’t know.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:52 pm

Well Chris if you knew anything about the Green Bay Packers and this board you would have seen numerous posts about the Rizzi failure. Read. Learn.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:40 am

As a starting reference point for the new DC - management should check the Ravens-Texans playoff game. With only a few minutes left in the game, and up by 24 points, Baltimore's D continued to press Houston's offense. None of this prevent defense - soft zone befuddlement - that caused the Packers to bring back their cooled-off starters within a 5 minute span during the Cowboys game. So someone from that coaching line.

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Rebelgb's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:39 pm

Baltimores defense was brutal that game. So aggressive. I kept thinking I wished to GOD our defense was like that!

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Cheesey51's picture

January 24, 2024 at 04:42 pm

I agree
Chris Hewitt is part of the Ravens coaching staff.
Give him an interview

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PackfanNY's picture

January 24, 2024 at 10:48 am

Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah! Breaking into my best Handel’s Messiah.

Now the Packers need to find the RIGHT guy. Won’t be easy but this wasn’t working. Go find him Gute!

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Houndog's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:03 am

It was my understanding that when MLF was hired he was given control over assistants, not Gutekunst.
I'd have to believe that since Barry must be paid the final year of his contract that Gutey and 'Magic Murphy' were somehow involved.
I'm hoping that their involvement is limited to approving the $ amount it'll take to get a good DC. No more Darren Rizzi type bullshit.
NFL Network reporting this was "All LaFleur" making the decision.

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PackfanNY's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:06 am

Sounds reasonable. Go LaFleur! Let’s hope he gets the guy we need.

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Coldworld's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:09 am

Yes, Gute has no role in coach hiring or retention. That’s LaFleur.

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Cheezehead72's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:05 am

RIP Joe Berry. RIP = Retire In Peace

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Houndog's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:08 am

Retire?
Oh Hell no!
Doesn't Minnesota grab all of our cast-offs?

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Cheezehead72's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:46 am

Ok I will go with RIP = Rehired In Peace

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justjan's picture

January 24, 2024 at 02:14 pm

Or the Bears (still suck).

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Swisch's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:10 am

It's a sadness to see Barry go; but at the same time, and most of all, what a relief!
Barry may have a lot of knowledge about NFL defenses that can serve him well in some capacity in the league, but he doesn't seem to have the knack for coordinating a defense to bring out the best in its players, and to make adjustments during a game.
That's the way life is, the disappointment of finding out what our limitations are, but also appreciating what we are able to do well, and finding our niche.
May Joe Barry have a great career, and a great life.
***
The goal for the Packers has to be a dominating defense.
It seems that involves a significant increase in aggressiveness.
Over so many years, the defenses of Capers, Pettine, and Barry have been seemingly too passive, at times to the severe distress of us fans watching helplessly as opposing offenses picked us apart.
It's time for our defense to stop backpedaling so much and to take the initiative going forward.
It's time for our defense to be more proactive and less reactive.
It's time for our defense to go on the offensive at times.
It's time for some dash and daring, and our defense dictating the terms on the field.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:05 pm

Like you Swisch - some sadness with the Barry departure. I cannot disparage his sincerity and effort as the DC. Yet we all have a limit to our talent and abilities and his was simply not at the championship level. Only a minority of DCs are capable of such an accomplishment.

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lebowski's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:14 am

Had to happen. Now hopefully Gutekunst will stop drafting guys because of their RAS and get some nasty on this D. Tired of watching fast guys who are great in the 3 cone drill miss tackles by diving at ankles

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SinceLombardi's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:19 am

This will be a very important hire. They have to get it right. The super bowl window opens and closes quickly, they can’t waste two years. Get a proven winner. We’re not building, it’s ready to go. They just need proven leadership.

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albert999's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:30 am

Ron Rivera says he would take a DC job ????

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BruceC1960's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:50 am

He was mentioned for the DC position in Philadelphia.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 25, 2024 at 08:53 pm

I don't know if I or we want an ex bear to be a final piece to the puzzle.

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cheesehead1's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:31 am

Don’t like to see anyone lose their job but it obviously wasn’t working. Hope Gute, Murphy and Lafleur leave no stone unturned and get the very best and pay top wage. Time to change this defensive culture.

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stockholder's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:37 am

I smell Gute. -
And MLF will be next.
AS soon as MM retires.

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HarryHodag's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:40 am

I've been a Jim Leonhard advocate for a long time. But a name that would make a lot of sense as well is Wink Martindale. Wink likes to blitz and is aggressive. I bet he, and Leonhard too, would teach Jaire how to tackle! The Giants had a very good defense, but had an offense that truly sucked.

No more wide open receivers in the middle of the field nor defensive backs 8 yards off the line with only 4 for a first down!

MLF is on a roll and this was a positive first step.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:57 pm

I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion in here about Wink. He's a proven DC .

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Swisch's picture

January 24, 2024 at 05:18 pm

As I understand it, Martindale has proven himself as a top defensive coordinator in the NFL, is highly aggressive with his defenders, and even looks the part of a tough, grizzled, weather-beaten coach.
Seems good to me.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:57 pm

Check, check, check! But I think we need to play the field and see who wants to be here! Who wouldn't want to come here. It's a perfect time with the perfect franchise.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 25, 2024 at 06:54 am

I've been saying Wink would be an upgrade for a while.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

January 24, 2024 at 05:51 pm

Martindale's messy departure from the Giants gives me pause for his consideration. Not sure about the symbiotic relationship between him and MLF.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 25, 2024 at 07:40 am

HC Dabol "clipped his Wink's wings" and fired several of the DCs assistants. That was weird. Seemed like a power play to tell Wink "I am in charge."

Martindale departed what he viewed as a messy organization that took a big step back this season.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2024 at 09:01 am

Scapegoating.

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Fubared's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:00 pm

My Gutt says that some of the better options would look first at what this D has in place now and may say no I cant do anything with that group, I'd need to move people out and bring people in and if the money isnt there the job isnt for me. Thus, the guy who takes this job may end up being Barry like in that he is available and eager for a reason and it may not be a good one? God help us all!
At least we got rid of one flea.

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dobber's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:39 pm

Again: Flores went into MN and whipped a similar group of players that were a sieve in 2022 into one of the better units in the league in one year.

You say this, but it's an opportunity to show that you know what you're doing and can accomplish what didn't happen with Barry or Pettine. Firmly convinced that this is why Bisaccia came to GB: a chance to show that he can make something out of a bargain-basement unit. It doesn't always pan out, but when you win, you end up running your own team.

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dobber's picture

January 24, 2024 at 12:45 pm

I'm not one to dance on a man's grave: we're talking about a man's livelihood, family, and lifelong investments of energy, time and expertise. He took his shot, and I thank him for it.

I was also one who thought the Packers could do better, and my position has always been the woefully inconsistent performances this defense would turn out. Each year the highs and lows were just too far apart, and a veteran unit that can't line up properly, can't communicate, or doesn't know it's assignments for whole games at a time reeks of bad coaching. YES--the aggregate stats look very average and in some cases look pretty good, but the standard deviations were big. This is also a possession-control offense: it limits possessions, and makes efficiency--as much as I hate made-up analytics--more important.

I tend to agree that LaF will be looking for a guy with a track record as a DC and calling plays. I don't think LaF will restrict himself to just at the NFL level...we know he kicked the tires with Leonhard a few years ago, so that's not something that bothers him at all. I also wouldn't be surprised to see a former HC land in that spot--those guys are looking for a chance to make an impact and jump back into the HC ranks. I think LaF is plenty secure in his spot.

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Rebelgb's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:00 pm

Look the guy has made millions as an NFL coach. I wouldnt worry to much about his well being.

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dobber's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:19 pm

I also don't use that as an excuse to kick a guy when he's down.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:28 pm

I agree it's never a good time to kick someone when he's down (except maybe for Hitler, or Goebels or Stalin, or - you get the point), but thankfully for Joe, the NFL is a nepotism league on steroids. He'll call up one of his connections and get a gig in no time. A more deserving candidate will take note and look to marry one of Kyle Shanahan's daughter's or maybe one of the Harbaugh's daughters.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 24, 2024 at 02:32 pm

too true, sadly. the only thing you can't do is go back in time and be the child of an NFL coach and get your entry that way.

how about that Bobby Slowik.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 25, 2024 at 10:00 am

or biden

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Tundraboy's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:36 pm

Excellent points, the depth of those peaks and valleys were vast, inconsistent and too often random. It was too often our undoing.

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vin0770's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:39 pm

Wink?

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dobber's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:56 pm

nudge

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Vachio's picture

January 24, 2024 at 05:56 pm

Say no more!

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2024 at 08:22 am

Winner!!!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 25, 2024 at 06:59 am

Martindale

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:42 pm

Packers aren't done yet either. They have Fired strength and conditioning coach Chris Gizzi.

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 24, 2024 at 07:12 pm

Really? We've been plagued with injuries for years. I've always said we needed better trainers.

Maybe we can get more competent trainers. We have been ravaged with injuries much
More than other teams, especially soft tissues and hamstring injuries .about time , we have to improve
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Tundraboy's picture

January 24, 2024 at 11:23 pm

And signed a kicker! My heads spinning, in a very good way.

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vin0770's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:42 pm

Wink Martindale…Capt of the all blitz team

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harleycops's picture

January 24, 2024 at 01:52 pm

MF has to consider the prospective DC's body of work. When you do that for Barry, you'll see he was fired from 2 different DC jobs. Fired: Detroit in 2009 and Redskins in 2016. Wouldn't that be two red flags? Please - MK, no red flags on this next DC hire!

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MooPack's picture

January 24, 2024 at 02:00 pm

New Kicker going to be in town. Georgia's Jack Podlesny.

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/transactions/packers-sign-kicker-to-chall...

Also, going to be a new Strength and Conditioning coach. They need someone with fresh ideas.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2024/1/24/24049464/green-bay-packers-...

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 24, 2024 at 02:34 pm

Christian Watson's hamstring waves goodbye to Chris Gizzi.

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Fubared's picture

January 24, 2024 at 04:16 pm

If your correct the good news just keeps on comin.

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Packfansincebirth's picture

January 24, 2024 at 02:05 pm

Hip, hip, hooray!!!!!!

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