Report: Love's ACL intact, more tests being done
The team will do multiple test back in Green Bay.
By PackerAaron
From NFL Network's Tom Pelissero:
Initial tests indicated Jordan Love's ACL is intact. But there's a wide range of outcomes based on additional scans, which will occur when the team gets back to Green Bay later today
There's a long way to go yet as the Packers do additional tests, but ruling out an ACL injury is obviously good news.
Love was injured on a hit by Eagles defenders Jalen Carter and Josh Sweat in the fourth quarter of last night's game in Brazil.
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Comments (61)
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
September 07, 2024 at 11:32 am
This is great preliminary news! Hopefully, he doesn't miss more than a few games.
JJB
September 07, 2024 at 11:40 am
Any missed game is a 100% loss.
Alberta_Packer
September 07, 2024 at 11:44 am
So MCL? If so, looking anywhere from 1 - 6 weeks - depending on severity.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
September 07, 2024 at 11:56 am
The outcome of Jordan Love's injury prognosis is yet to be determined but we should all be grateful Gutey traded for Malik Willis rather than keeping both young QB's. Willis is a veteran QB with some experience and obvious talent. I am curious to see how well he does as Willis brings a skill set similar to Hurts IMO.
I agree Love will be missed for however many games he may be out but the young Packer offense is still packed with talent. The Packers will need to lean on the running game and the short passing game. They have three very good RB's. Wilson is under-rated without question and we are still waiting to see Lloyd.
I would be shocked if the Packers with all their talent are not competitive in games while Love is out. This team is too talented to automatically believe the sky is falling!
Oppy
September 07, 2024 at 01:45 pm
Packers fans, despite having a history of great QBs to watch play over the last 65 years, tend to be poor appraisers of QB talent.
I certainly hope I'm wrong, but Malik Willis is not an NFL QB in my eyes. I believe he will be out of the league within 2 years.
He's a dymanic athlete. The QB skill set is an awful lot more than speed, strength, and a big arm. He doesn't look like he's ever put the time into honing his QB skills beyond his natural talent. Doesn't read defenses well. Doesn't go through his progressions well. Clifford is a better QB than Malik Willis. Tim Boyle was a better QB than Malik Willis. Kurt Benkert, Brett Hundley, Maybe even Joe Callahan, better QBs.
I think the Packers are wildly mis-managing the QB room. A guy like Willis should be a PS player. He's nowhere close to being a legitimate backup QB. This is not a small project.
barutanseijin
September 07, 2024 at 04:34 pm
You’re not included in the set of “all Packer fans”?
What are you? An undercover Bear fan? Purple person?
Oppy
September 08, 2024 at 12:22 am
I guess I am, but then again, I haven't been one of the Packers fans who have been awe-struck by the amazing talent of our back up QBs who clearly should have been given the #2 spot- or even should be the starter- over the last 10 years, like so many other Packers fans have every off season for the last many years.
I've got a pretty good track record of spotting QBs who have the ability to stick around and those who don't. I stand on my prior observations on previous Packers QB room arms over the years and how their careers have run vs. my assessments. I don't get it all 100% right, but I don't recall having missed completely yet.
BTW, are you seriously asking if I'm a Bears or Vikings fan? I've been here at CHTV since the beginning, and while I'm not a super-OG from Jersey Al's All Greenbay Packers, I had some time there prior to CHTV, too. I'm a die hard.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
September 07, 2024 at 04:59 pm
Oppy,
I have always perceived you to be very astute and knowledgeable here at CCTV, so I am shocked you are not willing to even give him a chance before throwing him under the bus.
The biggest concern is he still doesn't know the playbook well and will probably only start getting it down about the time Love returns.
Have you looked at the next 4 to 6 games on the schedule? The Pack should be extremely competitive with Willis and able to win several games. Lots of run and short passing game. I hope Willis surprises all of us. I am confident MLF will tailor offense to Willis strengths.
Oppy
September 08, 2024 at 12:01 am
Like I have stated, I hope he proves me wrong.
I watch his film, I believe what it shows me.
Packers are enticed by the tools and have an opportunity to kick tires for a 7th round pick. He'll make some exciting plays I'm sure, because he has a cannon and he's an elusive runner. He also doesn't show basic ability to read and go through progressions. Guys who stare down the first option and don't understand what defenses are doing to them don't last long in the NFL.
I like to think I give young players a very reasonable cushion to improve and grow. I'm patient. I'm also pretty reasonable. The last time I saw a QB enter Green Bay who was as big of a red flag (IMO) was Deshone Kizer, another QB who was over-drafted and disappointed another team, but the Packers were enticed by the tools and had a chance to check out for low investment. The Packers spent a year before realizing they weren't able to give Kizer what he didn't have, which was sound judgement under pressure. Malik Willis has shown on tape that he lacks basic QB skills that are prerequisite for QB play at nearly any level. He has overcome those deficiencies by being a superior athlete. It is a testament to his athleticism that he was able to compete at the college level and even get an opportunity to play in the NFL. However, at this level, being a superior athlete is not enough, and if you still aren't comfortable going through progressions at this point, It's unlikely you ever will be.
Like I have stated, I hope he proves me wrong.
murf7777
September 08, 2024 at 08:27 am
I’m curious, What was your assessment on Love after the Packers drafted him?
Oppy
September 08, 2024 at 09:15 am
NFL Arm talent. Smart, good feel for the pocket, but sloppy mechanics from time to time. Got dinged for drop off his final season, threw more INTs, but was dealing with new offense and new players around him. I don't think he ever fully adjusted to the new scheme.
Chance to be an NFL QB.
It's hard (for me anyways) to judge college results and project to pros. The talent difference between the two, and the scheme differences.. it makes it hard to predict how the player will do.
I'm much better off watching the player vs. NFL talent. It's a million things you don't have to project. I was extremely positive about Love's first start when Rodgers had Covid (vs. Chiefs) while everyone else was blasting the performance. I thought after he shook off the rust and settled in (first two drives) he was unbelievably poised under an insane blitz percentage, he made some nice throws, and most importantly, he knew exactly where to throw the ball when he was under assault without undue risk- in short, he new the playbook and the nuances of the offense already. He understood when KC was playing zone or man and where the holes in coverage were and where his targets would be, so he could unload the ball, even if it was into the dirt, to escape the sack without risking a turnover or getting flagged for intentional grounding. It was actually a pretty good performance overall all things considered.
murf7777
September 09, 2024 at 08:17 am
Nice write up Oppy. I will add, I was at that KC game with a Love jersey on, which was the talk of the town by the way. It was very windy that day, which many don’t realize, it also was extremely loud and a great home atmosphere. The KC fans were great. The funny thing is many didn’t like his performance, but it was just as good as Mr. MVP Mahommes. You are correct he was poised…..Did he make mistakes, yes, but who wouldn’t have in that situation and it never looked like he was anything but confident in what he was doing.
Regarding when he was drafted, I loved the pick. Rodgers was coming back from two seasons that were well below average from what he did in the past for GB and I’ve always felt you get the QB and develop when you don’t necessarily need it. When alll said and done, I think it will work for Atlanta. The other reason I loved the draft pick is Love’s Sophmore year. He looked great in that offense system and solid O-line play. He showed an NFL arm and at the time was talked about being a top 10 pick. Now, after losing 4 out of 5 OL starters, HC and assistants he struggled a bit. He will readily admit, he tried to do too much, which at times is still part of his DNA.
The only thing that concerns me about Love is trying to do too much at times. He got away with it during the big run last year, but it might catch up to him. Time will tell…..let’s hope he heals quickly. He’s part Favre & Rodgers.
Oppy
September 09, 2024 at 08:39 am
My concerns are that love is a slow starter in games and he takes a few drives to sometimes a full half to find his groove; and during those slow starts he throws off target high. That concerns me and I feel needs work. He also throws the ball into very tight windows..
SicSemperTyrannis
September 09, 2024 at 09:30 am
I see "areas of opportunity" for JL10 to improve:
1) don't try to thread needles from a mile away.
2) throw ON platform unless you absolutely need to make an off-platform throw. While it's a great skill to have, don't try to live like that. I think he did this too much from learning to play behind a leaky O line. Same with slight happy feet, which he did not have in TC 2023.
I think this one adjustment would do wonders for his consistency. I think his accuracy is fine, but he's not always consistent with it. Throwing off platform will cause that.
3) short throws i.e. easy layups. GOTTA make those! I put this as #1 priority, because it would make the biggest difference to the team. This can't possibly be anything physical, IMHO it's got to be a mental error, most likely failing to concentrate as intensely as he does on more difficult plays.
The first throw of the playoff game against SF is a perfect example. He targeted AJ33, but gave him NO chance to catch that ball.
4) He slides GREAT. Can he run better? Maybe that's as developed as it ever will be but there are times he could tuck and run as his best option. I love that he'd rather throw down field, but seeing when it's just not there is an aspect of maturing in the position.
All of these are things that slight improvements could make a big difference. I hope he fully recovers soon! And that backup QB play is good enough that the team isn't tempted to rush him back into the lineup before he's ready.
GPG!
murf7777
September 10, 2024 at 09:18 am
I agree with most of what you’re saying. I disagree with running the ball. We can nitpick sometimes where he could’ve ran it vs throwing and the play would’ve been better, but in that split second to make that decision he determine to keep looking for a receiver to pass to.
I actually, think that is one thing that makes him a great QB. I think the best QB’s over a course of a career, are the ones who use their feet to keep a play going and looking for the open receiver vs the one who once under major pressure tucks it and runs.
I’d argue, that because he keeps his eyes downfield longer vs running that he’s made many more plays because he didn't tuck it and run.
dblbogey
September 07, 2024 at 05:44 pm
You totally lost me when you said Brett Hundley.
Oppy
September 07, 2024 at 11:42 pm
Average NFL career is a little over 3 years (all nfl players regardless of position).
Brett Hundley's career in the NFL lasted 7 years on and off NFL teams as an active backup or practice squad player. He's not a starting caliber NFL QB, but he did serve as a backup active roster QB for at least two teams and had enough talent and experience for multiple teams to keep him in their facilities as a backup / practice squad QB during those 7 years.
The bright lights and expectations at Lambeau were too much for Hundley, he played poorly there. He played pretty well on the road.
By the way.. average career length for a QB in the nfl: a little under 4.5 years.
SinceLombardi
September 07, 2024 at 03:32 pm
This defense will never be good enough to go the the Super Bowl as a wildcard. There is no Clay Matthews here. In fact they don’t even have any actual studs at any position. They need to win the division or it will be another one and done. Plus the three better teams ( SF, Det, Phi) all have better coaching staffs.
dblbogey
September 07, 2024 at 05:44 pm
Did stockholder change his name?
Oppy
September 08, 2024 at 01:41 am
I disagree.
I think Rashan Gary and Kenny Clark are both "stud" players at their positions.
I believe Xavier McKinney is a "stud" at his position.
Jaire Alexander does have top tier talent. When he starts believing his own hype he gets lazy about his craft; we get a result like we saw on Friday. When he plays poorly and is confronted by criticism, he gets embarrassed and gets back to work and subsequently starts to play exceptional ball to the level his is capable of in an attempt to prove 'the haters' wrong.. Managing the ego and the effort is the issue with Jaire.
Linebacker is the position where I'm concerned about lack of top tier talent.
TarynsEyes
September 07, 2024 at 12:06 pm
Let's get Joe 'Shane Falco' Flacco!!!
packerbackerjim
September 07, 2024 at 03:16 pm
I wouldn’t mind that development
TOMMY'63
September 07, 2024 at 05:53 pm
He looked good last year,didn't he? Maybe Tannahill? I think we might go 03-4? Who knows?Every game he misses is a very probable loss,unfortunately
Mister Chievous
September 07, 2024 at 01:39 pm
I read on another site it was his ankle
dblbogey
September 07, 2024 at 05:47 pm
That was some clown internet doctor who diagnosed the injury by watching the replay.
NFLfan
September 07, 2024 at 02:08 pm
There is a medial (inner) ligament and a lateral ligament that seem to be in question--both allow walking.
He would have had difficulty walking with a severe patellar ligament injury.
ACL injury ruled out.
There is always the meniscus to consider.
Ligaments don't receive good blood supply so the injury takes longer to heal than a tissue injury.
Teams, though, have access to hyperbaric oxygen units, infrared therapy, state of the art ice machines, massage therapists, physical therapists, etc. which will hasten his recovery.
Leatherhead
September 07, 2024 at 02:09 pm
While he's injured, he's not practicing, he's not improving, and he's not building timing with the WRs. Losing Love to injury is probably the worst thing could have happened.
You know, the last time he was hit by a defender was Bosa, last January. In all these OTAs, and minicamps, and practices, and exhibitions, he KNOWS he's not going to be hit. It's different when it's for real.
fireball
September 08, 2024 at 07:38 am
I like this: " While he's injured, he's not practicing, he's not improving, and he's not building timing with the WRs. "
ImaPayne2
September 08, 2024 at 11:13 am
You said something big here because now he knows pain and agony and how will that effect him going forward, who knows. IF he gets gun shy he could become Mr Interception.
PhantomII
September 07, 2024 at 02:11 pm
Love was severely dehydrated. I was noticing a lot of other players sweating a lot and his face had next to nothing. Fast forward and the staff were using vibrating hammer to loosen up his legs and particularly his calf area. Hope they were punching IV's into both arms at the half. The tackle was pretty ugly and should have been blown dead...but I don't know if it was. I don't know about you fellas, but I'm pretty tired of watching the pre-season be 1's for 1 series or none. It should be a progress of at least 2-3 series and up to half a game by the final pre-season game to get everyone firing with the starter group. Holding them out so much has not produced a high rate of 2nd tier players making the roster to any effect. That game should have been 4 or more turnovers with a pick-6 from the defense as well as the run game truly established in it by GB....not the other way around. I hope Willis can move the chains, as JL may not bounce right back for a few games. Heal quickly JL....
NFLfan
September 07, 2024 at 02:17 pm
There was also a 10 hour flight, a 2 hour commute from the hotel and a slippery field.
Love's back foot was often slipping and sliding-he couldn't plant it. The o-line allowed for too many pressures, so he was often squeezed with gigantic dudes in his face much of the game.
dblbogey
September 07, 2024 at 05:50 pm
88% humidity. Field was horrible. Maybe we should just stay in the United States. I agree on preseason. The OL looked like they hadn't played in 9 months because they haven't played in 9 months.
Coldworld
September 07, 2024 at 06:48 pm
It baffles me that no one realized that, in a humid climate with significant temperature ranges, grass gets wet as night falls. Could have just asked Corinthians. That’s a hybrid field similar to Lambeau. They just didn’t think to research it. It was apparently fine earlier …
Tundraboy
September 07, 2024 at 08:18 pm
Goodell forgot,too busy smoozing.
Starrbrite
September 07, 2024 at 10:17 pm
Right—let’s play all our games overseas. It’s supremely critical we export America’s favorite pastime elsewhere.
Forget these stupid international games!
NFLfan
September 07, 2024 at 02:12 pm
Perhaps the Packers should strengthen their o-line to provide much better blocking for their RBs as the pass game will be affected.
SinceLombardi
September 07, 2024 at 03:33 pm
Or at least play the o line in the preseason
Tundraboy
September 08, 2024 at 06:42 am
Perhaps they now realize that protecting Love is #1, The search to find the right a starting OL has been stepped up.
ImaPayne2
September 08, 2024 at 11:11 am
They dont give a shit about protecting him they give a shit about protecting their knees and making sure those checks clear the bank.
ImaPayne2
September 08, 2024 at 11:10 am
I agree. Lets gutt the o line and quickly fine some linebackers that have speed, can cover, fill the gaps and make tackles before the back runs through the holes for touch downs. Chop Chop times a wastin
NFLfan
September 07, 2024 at 03:09 pm
Per Shefter, it's likely an MCL injury-"will miss games but not season-ending"
Packers0808
September 07, 2024 at 03:16 pm
Is MCL sprain, out 3-6weeks is the report I just read on another Packer site. Wonder if they have Tannenhill [SP] on the phone?
Packers0808
September 07, 2024 at 05:32 pm
Thumb down for how long he is out?
SinceLombardi
September 07, 2024 at 03:36 pm
The irony.. he wouldn’t practice until they overpaid him based on his sample size.. then when they pay him he only plays one preseason series. Looks like crap in the opener and gets hurt. Not a good look.
fireball
September 08, 2024 at 07:41 am
Agreed.
PhantomII
September 08, 2024 at 01:47 pm
Don't worry about that...ML knows better than anyone of us see as common sense change that has never happened. I was pretty hyped for this game, but Gute didn't get the contract done early and love missed too much time early and we see the results in game. The circle of pre-season prep has continued from the AR era folks. I swear the only way we could start out is hot, is against the Bears and even they are much improved. Like everything in life...you have to decide to step up....Step up Packers...GPG
Calzone
September 07, 2024 at 03:49 pm
Love will miss 3-6 weeks per Ian Rapport.
BruceC1960
September 07, 2024 at 04:48 pm
Short term, I’m not sure Clifford doesn’t give us a better chance to win until Willis gets settled?
Oppy
September 08, 2024 at 01:48 am
absolutely. but the Packers are afraid to expose Willis to PS because they just spent a 7th round draft pick on him. So it will likely be Willis running a limited selection of RPOs where if he doesn't run the ball he's going to hope his primary read is open.
Buckle up, it could be a bumpy ride.
BAMABADGER
September 07, 2024 at 06:10 pm
Strained MCL,,, I'm guessing 6-8 weeks.
GregC
September 07, 2024 at 06:32 pm
Packerswire is saying 3-6 weeks, leaning more toward the 3 than the 6.
joejetson
September 07, 2024 at 06:54 pm
We'll see how prepared the coaches have Willis and/or Clifford.
Realistically, the defense must play at a much higher level for them to have any chance to win. They started out well last night but then fell apart as the game progressed.
The final Philadelphia possession was sickeningly reminiscent of last year's 4th quarter collapses.
ImaPayne2
September 08, 2024 at 11:07 am
Quay Walker looked horrendous and I only saw about ten plays. and for those of you who love draft and develop, he's had his dam develop time and was a bad draft pick. He made mistakes a rookie wouldnt make.
BruceC1960
September 08, 2024 at 12:09 am
Can we win any of the next 6 games if there is no J Love?
I’m not sure we beat the Rams or Houston with J Love.
Rhah
September 08, 2024 at 01:50 am
Titans, Cards, and Vikings are winnable. So let's say half, 1.5 wins :)
stockholder
September 08, 2024 at 08:04 am
He'll miss games.
So flush your Toilet.
Give me Clifford or you can kiss your
super-bowl thoughts bye bye.
ImaPayne2
September 08, 2024 at 11:05 am
Somewhere they are talking who the heck is going to replace him. Hey, Lefleur, you got two guys, concentrate on getting one of them prepared and not trying to find a newbie. Its time to get coaching my friend!
Packerpasty
September 08, 2024 at 10:21 am
a good coach will make the most of either willis or Clifford...a mediocre coach will look mysitified on the sidelines trying to figure out something that works..
PhantomII
September 08, 2024 at 01:57 pm
Establish the run early willresolve a lot of the issues ...2-TE, 2-bigger WR's, and a RB or 1-TE and 2RB's...either way we're gonna have to run at a much higher clip...great time for more than 1-RB pass to an open WR or other RB also. GPG
ImaPayne2
September 08, 2024 at 11:04 am
You answered a question I had, wouldnt they do another mri a little further on to see if their is a tear. My daughter years ago had a wrist injury that didnt show a break but the doctor said come back in three days and they would do it again, once calcium deposits set in to show a break and where it is. Sure enough, it was broke.
I would not be shocked if they went in and saw something new? Hope not, but I know this happens. Hey with the money at stake and his health, I would expect this.
ImaPayne2
September 09, 2024 at 11:11 am
wonder if they test with a rubber hammer? LOL Oh sorry doc didnt mean to kick you there!