The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Packers vs Vikings

Aaron hands out the Good, the Bad and the Ugly from the Green Bay Packers Week 11 loss to the Minnesota Vikings.

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cpabandit's picture

November 21, 2021 at 07:22 pm

Stokes runs around like the Keystone Cops. I thought Jermichael Finley had Hands of Stone, but it seems Savage has taken over that name. Make the pick Savage, just make the damn pick!

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Oppy's picture

November 21, 2021 at 09:18 pm

Jermichael Finley was paid to be a receiving TE.
Savage is paid to be a safety that breaks up passes.

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dobber's picture

November 22, 2021 at 08:05 am

I can't remember who it was who said: if they were good at catching the ball, they wouldn't be playing DB.

Packers have had a problem with the secondary not completing the INT for years.

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edp1959's picture

November 21, 2021 at 07:34 pm

Good: Adams, MVS, Dillon and Rodgers.
Bad: Another miss by Crosby. Offensive Line. More injuries.
Ugly: Defense period, Offensive drive killing penalties. Dropped should be interceptions. Terrible Defensive penalties.

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Oppy's picture

November 21, 2021 at 09:16 pm

Good: Second half Rodgers, Offense, Dillon.
Bad: Another miss by Crosby. Injuries.
Ugly: Defense, 1st half Rodgers, Offense

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Eighteen17's picture

November 21, 2021 at 07:45 pm

Good 31 points.

Bad: Stokes

Ugly: Entire defense

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ImaPayne's picture

November 21, 2021 at 08:12 pm

Good: Rodgers and limited offensive players making it happen. Wheres lewis, lazard, cobb?
Bad: giving vikes life. this is a dangerous team that could have been buried. They are alive and on a run. Zimmer has a chip now and maybe saved his job today. they are thinking pkayoffs.
Ugly: this fu#[email protected]# pass defense. The bend broke.
King cant cover, stokes too stupid to cover one on one, he just doesn't get it, , savage serious hand eye coirdination issues, alexander non factor who is probsbly out for year, sullivan others, no one else wanted them for a reason.

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ImaPayne's picture

November 21, 2021 at 09:07 pm

Sorry didnt realize Lazard was a scratch. Missed first part of game. St Brown looked good. I think with his speed and size he should be a bigger part of the offense. I know from ND he had hands issues. So Rodgers probably doesnt want it out there unless necessary

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Tundraboy's picture

November 21, 2021 at 09:57 pm

Wow ,just wow. Sky is falling? One week changed that much. Vikes beat us with a lot of home help when we are at best , at 60% of our strength. No worries here. I'm looking forward to the rematch in the cold! Hate the Vikings, and all they represent.

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NickPerry's picture

November 22, 2021 at 06:58 am

Thank you TB... My God you'd think the Packers were blown out and are 3-8 and not 8-3!

This team is BEAT UP and having a bye week in week 13 didn't help this season. BUT, the Packers have 4 of the next 6 games at home. Whether or not the Packers have home-field or not, this is a dangerous football team that is pretty f###ing good.

Maybe the Packers get some good news for ONCE this year and get back DB, Alexander, and Z Smith sometime soon after the bye. Hopefully VERY SOON!!

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porupack's picture

November 21, 2021 at 08:21 pm

Stupid penalties are bad.

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4thand10's picture

November 21, 2021 at 08:25 pm

Good….Dillon, Adams
Bad…injuries stokes on theiland and Alexander on Jefferson and this is a different game. With z smith and Gary this is a different game.
Ugly…bad special teams snaps and whatever is wrong with Crosby or his operation…that has to get fixed because big games come down to field goals.
Extra ugly…defense not holding with less than 2 min left

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splitpea1's picture

November 21, 2021 at 08:29 pm

Just a couple of comments about the two Savage plays that went against us:

1) The roughing call on Keke was a rotten shame, as it was just incidental contact and not remotely malicious. I don't think it was fair, but that's the way the NFL is now. Defensive players are held to an almost impossible standard sometimes.

2) On the second interception, there was no evidence that Savage did not catch the ball, other than the ball squirting loose well after he was down. So I didn't like that call, either. But it would be a good idea for Savage (and everyone else) in this situation to practice some crafty artfulness by either laying totally on top of the ball once down or curling up in a fetal position with the ball in way that no eyes or camera angle can reach.

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mrtundra's picture

November 22, 2021 at 08:00 am

How was Keke going to come to a stop and not hit Cousins, on that play. Bad call, IMO. Kind of reminded me of Clay Matthews sacking the QB but getting called for roughing the passer, instead.

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dekan51's picture

November 22, 2021 at 01:14 pm

Look. I thought there were a bunch of bad calls in the game, but Keke's was not one of them. He hit Cousins helmet to helmet. Doesnt matter why he did it, or what could he have done. I agree, many of CMIII were bs calls, but Keke's wasnt. We all know the rules, and so does Keke.

I thought Jefferson got away with at least 1 Off PI by pushing off.

Savage dropped the ball. I think we all saw that.

But geez, you got to hold onto that ball!!!!

Cousins could/should have had 3, maybe more INT's. Savage dropped 2, and we had one taken away by the ruffing the passer.....

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ImaPayne's picture

November 21, 2021 at 09:05 pm

Sorry didnt know that Lazard was scrached. Actually St Brown who I had hoped more from had a very nice game. The guy is fast and needs to be part of the offense more

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mrtundra's picture

November 22, 2021 at 08:01 am

Both ESB and MVS had solid games, even though ARod was off on his accuracy, early, when he kept throwing the ball deep, towards MVS

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Since'61's picture

November 21, 2021 at 09:34 pm

The Good: Rodgers, MVS, Adams, Dillon

The Bad: Defense, Stokes, FG unit

The Ugly: Bad penalties, more injuries, bad officiating.

For most of this season the Packers have founds ways to win. Today they found too many ways to lose. One more game to the bye week which we need badly. GPG!
Thanks, Since ‘61

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 21, 2021 at 09:48 pm

My main take away was St. Brown. Finally he was put in a position to illustrate his speed and talent. Obviously very talented if he can stay healthy.

There have only been two or three of us here who have consistently backed ESB and his talent with everyone else wanting him gone. Today we saw what the Packers see in practice and why he remains on the team. Need to see him get the ball more frequently as he can be a difference maker.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 21, 2021 at 10:10 pm

I will gladly and officially eat crow. Guy has some serious speed and agility. With Adams,MVS and Brown that is a very nice collection of weapons. If we ever get everyone healthy ,this offense is complete, and scary.

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bjkdad44's picture

November 22, 2021 at 12:03 am

Big if

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Bure9620's picture

November 21, 2021 at 11:43 pm

I have been one of the EQ folks myself, thought he had lots of upside.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 22, 2021 at 07:03 am

Me, too. However, while I thought he had talent, I gave up on him, thinking that he isn't a football player.

He had a nice game. It is inconsistent, though, and I don't think that's because the coaches are mean to him. I think they are trying to coax production out of ESB.

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pacman's picture

November 21, 2021 at 10:45 pm

Until NFL starts publishing some of the referee grades, this will not change. And clubs should have the ability to reject some officials - somehow. Like 4 rejections per year, or something like that.

We are talking about officiating too often. Even if it balances out over the long term, it could still change the outcome of a specific game.

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haevs6's picture

November 21, 2021 at 10:56 pm

I am very suprised so Many have mad e Stokes the culprit of the loss...Did u not see the other 3 quarters??? K King again, again..gave up how many plays and TD to Theilan.... Savage has hands of stone and is one of the worst rated Safety's in the NFL, per Pro Football Focus.... they rate every player/every play...Amos id way to slow to be a deep safety, need to be in the box more...we made Cousins and Jefferson HOF players today...hard to believe we would not focus on Jefferson and take him away the way most good defenses would...No pressure, and can not cover is a way to lose......

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Philarod's picture

November 21, 2021 at 11:20 pm

Agree, bit well, Jefferson is a Hall of Famer in his very early career. Possibly the best WR in the game.

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haevs6's picture

November 21, 2021 at 11:29 pm

So, we go CB cover and safety over the top like many do against Adams.... why dould we not do the same???

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otombello's picture

November 21, 2021 at 11:21 pm

I simply don’t understand…. why nobody has mentioned the refs? Was that home field advantage or simply an unrivaled level of corruption? I mean I’ve never watched a game like that. I feel like I’m watching football turn into soccer… and I have no interest in watching soccer.
Thanks Aaron for naming names - watched GBU after my comment

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Philarod's picture

November 21, 2021 at 11:24 pm

G: Rodgers, MVS, DA and P Smith.
B: Defense. Period.
U: After that sensational TD to MVS, the D has to come up big. And, do they ever seem to stop a key 2-point conversion?
Also, do the Pack ever...not many chances today...have an exciting punt or KO return.

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haevs6's picture

November 21, 2021 at 11:34 pm

Agree, but how many times did we actually make them punt today?
Our special teams have been brutal since.... ...Desmond Howard?.......??
Long time ago

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Philarod's picture

November 22, 2021 at 12:09 am

It seems that way, anyway.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 21, 2021 at 11:54 pm

Good: DA, ESB, MVS, AR (2nd half), Nyman, Preston, Kenny, Bojo
Bad: Packers secondary (Stokes, King, Douglas, Savage, Sully), AR (1st half), Mason, long snapper
Ugly: Jenkins injury, Holding penalties (not even one was called on Queens), 1st half play calling, Newman, ST

You can not avoid talking about officiating crew. There was so many calls and non calls that is hard to number them. For instance, they called catch what was obviously dropped pass, not even close and they needed booth review on that "catch". They had numerous holding on the Preston and Kenny and no one is called, to many mistakes in queens favor. Maybe the whole game would have different dinamics if they were good in what they were doing...

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packerbackerjim's picture

November 22, 2021 at 05:17 am

Good: Dillon picking up the blitzes
Bad: Pass defense very poor, run defense fairly good
Ugly: Jenkins injury, although Nijman did very well in a difficult situation

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rstain99's picture

November 22, 2021 at 06:51 am

Pretty much spot on
G- Dillon, Dequera welcome to big time with touchdown
bad- pass defense, stone hands back there, sorry feeling good when they went to commercial break only to realize Savage did drop the ball. knew nothing good was going to happen after that.
ugly Jenkins injury guy is just good, although Nijman played well in relief

Is it me or does anyone else just hate to see AR shake his head after lousy play or bad throw. AR you made the throw how many time can he over throw MVS on right sideline it never works. The crossing route seems fine. As evidence

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porupack's picture

November 22, 2021 at 06:28 am

I was not impressed with ARodgers overall. Yes, he hit a few good strikes and accurate. But he missed a lot. And he is not seeing open receivers. The offense just isn't clicking. Watching other games, they get the ball out on quick timed throws when there is a formidable pass rush. How many quick slants did we see??? Quick timed out plays? Back shoulder throws? Those used to be packer staples. The announcers raved about Offensive coordinators play calling. Yes, there were some nice chess matches matched on GB offensive call sheet, but if there was a time for some real change-up, it should have been this game. So what is wrong with this supposedly juggernuat offense? Do we have mediocre receivers that can't get open like 50 other teams, or plays aren't designed for quick, timed and planned spots when Minnepo blitzes on 3rd down? or Rodgers isn't seeing them. WTH? That offense isn't good, bad or ugly. Its not pretty though.

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MarkinMadison's picture

November 22, 2021 at 07:14 am

Good: Rodgers hitting MVS almost perfectly is stride (if they get that down look out kids); Nijman off the bench.
Bad: Cumulative injuries (more pressure on Cousins was needed and the horses aren't there right now); Stokes (let the moment get to him); Royce Newman (not really ready for primetime).
Ugly: Crosby (3/7 in his last four outings, 9/17 in his last seven outings, 15/27 on the season) - these are horrible numbers that are trending the wrong direction). NFL - two interceptions, at least one stolen, both need to be cleaned up by the NFL.

P.S. - Respect to Matt Mamba, but out of an abundance of caution, I think you should refrain from making another song about another player until after we have secured the Lombardi in February. I have consulted with the International Federation of Witchdoctors, and there is a non-zero chance that you inadvertently jinxed Mason Crosby, or provoked the Witchdoctor of a rival team to put a curse on him. One of the two. I'm relatively sure that this is what happened. 5/10 since your song debuted. Also, clearly someone put a hex on Rodgers which caused his IQ to plummet and making him vulnerable to internet conspiracy theories. That or he has too much fucking money and time on his hands. One of the two.

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Rebecca's picture

November 22, 2021 at 11:03 am

Ha!😂 good take!

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Packerfansupreme's picture

November 22, 2021 at 07:23 am

Good: Davante, and MVS, Rodgers in the 2nd half. Dillon when they used him. Clark and Preston. Lafleurs offensive adjustments

Bad: Rodgers hero ball in the first, Savage unable to catch. Lafleurs starting game plan

Ugly: O line penalties and protection. Stokes on jefferson. Anyone on Jefferson really. Special teams kicking operation, And the coaching staffs inability to fix it

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greengold's picture

November 22, 2021 at 09:45 am

Whatever you do, DON’T run!!! 15 carries - COMBINED - between Dillon & Taylor. FFS.

This broken record has been skipping in the same place for more than a decade. Can't expect different results if you keep making the same mistakes over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over...

Dense. We’re going NOWHERE, if we keep this up.

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dobber's picture

November 22, 2021 at 08:45 am

"Whatever you do, DON’T run!!! "

Unless you're being faced down by a bear in the woods, this is almost always a bad plan.

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RochesterPacker's picture

November 22, 2021 at 07:38 am

Hard loss. So sick of these injuries. God bless to Jenkins.
Packer fan since early 60s. Mr Nagler your thoughts on Big B?
It’s time to get rid of him, waste of money (now) it’s a business. How many games has he been available over last couple of years? Great show,Bless you and family over the Thanksgiving holiday.
Pizza Friday or nice Turkey sandwich’s? Ha

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mrtundra's picture

November 22, 2021 at 08:12 am

A lot of people get pissed when we criticize the officiating. I think that criticism was warranted, in this game. They TV crew wouldn't even show a replay of some of the called penalties. When they did show a replay, you could see other penalties, that should have been called. NFL officiating has got to clean up it's act.

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Bitternotsour's picture

November 22, 2021 at 09:32 am

the bad. Mason Crosby. enough is enough.

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ImaPayne's picture

November 22, 2021 at 09:50 am

There is no good when you lose.
The bad and ugly combined: D coach that doesnt have his pass d players playing championship football. Why is this guy any different the Capers or Pettine: same crappy pass defense players they expect a new coach to make something out of. King cant tackle, Savage is all over the place and yet nowhere, Stokes we know now is too dumb to cover any one Sullivan and Douglas two guys no one else wanted and our coach is supposed to make this work.
This is also on Gutt who thinks like Ted T you can get great pass defenders sitting at the end of the first round. You either move down to get one or two good ones by bundling picks or you spend the bucks in free agency. Ditto with Linebackers who can cover and rush.
Cheap ball is the reason the pack have frittered away Rodgers carreer and to an extent Favres. No support

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